Giosuè Greco Interview
Giosuè Greco starts a cue by choosing a short sound or a long sound. He talks through anthems, saxophone, Welcome to Wrexham, Dìdi, and why the fastest thing he writes is often the best.
Love Music More · hosted by Luke F. Walton
The podcast feed is titled Love Music More with Scoobert Doobert. Scoobert Doobert is Luke F. Walton's primary music project.
Guest: Giosuè Greco (Dìdi, Welcome to Wrexham, Crystal Lake)
Composer and multi-instrumentalist. Love Music More on short sounds and long sounds, scoring from shorts through Welcome to Wrexham, and writing fast enough that second-guessing never gets a vote.
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Giosuè Greco starts a cue with one question: short sound or long sound. A short sound he can pull from a shelf of odd instruments. A long sound, for him, is usually a reed, and it gets complicated. Film scoring is not one category, so the mix is freer than a song with a topline. When a voice is in the cue, it sits about 6 dB up or down and the words stay clear. If something is too loud, he keeps it and calls it the statement. He hears the same freedom in Rosalía, far enough from the old pop pattern that the usual marks no longer apply.
Luke has spent the last six weeks in Japanese music, after producing bed and CHAI. A lot of it still sounds like a band. That is the alternate universe in the title. Greco's account of how the decisions get made is time. The fastest thing he writes is often the best, because there is no room to second-guess. An anthem, the way he builds one, wants a few notes, a pentatonic line, four chords, open strings, and then the saxophone, because he plays it and nobody does that job better than Bon Iver. A good song still holds if a small-town marching band plays it, or if someone whistles it. He points listeners to Carey Clayton, whose guitar can sound like whatever he needs, and says he is always chasing that. His own saxophone often goes through VocalSynth until the reed is gone and what is left reads as strings. Luke's side of the same story is learning saxophone solos on guitar, including a gig where the saxophonist could not make it and the solo was whole-tone and hard to finger.
He came to Los Angeles to be a recording engineer and found the ceiling was a decade away, and that he could not afford to wait it out. Producing, and helping other composers get from the session to the stems, fit better. A short he scored won the Oscar for best documentary short in 2018, and that year's class became people he kept working with. Before Dìdi he scored the Disney+ short that led into it, Nǎi Nai & Wài Pó, and he had known Sean, who made both, for five or six years. Sam, Sean's cinematographer, had just won an Oscar for a live-action short. In the same stretch, The Offseason worked as a prototype, and the director of Welcome to Wrexham asked him to demo. He wrote tracks, they landed, and he was not ready for how present the show became. An agent and a manager followed. He is plain that none of the introductions matter if the work is not there: on the order of 45 minutes of music every five days.
Olmo, the Plan B film, is one of the slimmer scores he has written. There is a lot of music in the movie and less of it is his, between the songs already in the picture and the score. Fernando sends playlists and then says not to copy any of it. He will talk basso lamento, the line walking down, and then decide it does not work. Crystal Lake, the A24 show for Peacock and a Friday the 13th story, he had just finished mixing himself, about five days on headphones while he was moving, with the players live and a runtime past an hour. He was nervous he would find noises. He did not. Steven Marsh approved the album that day. Asked why he keeps at it, Greco says it is the only thing he has ever known. Luke, after hearing this answer about a hundred times, says he stays because it is easy to start and never finished, the same way language is. He had just been talking with Logan Kane about writing fast enough to outrun doubt, and Greco lands in the same place: this is not brain surgery.
Selected moments
- Short sound or long sound 2:19 That is the first cut. Short sounds come off a shelf of odd instruments. A long sound, for him, is usually a reed.
- Too loud stays 4:04 If a part is too loud, he keeps it and calls it the statement. He hears the same license in Rosalía.
- Write it before you can doubt it 5:43 The fastest thing he writes is often the best, because there is no time to second-guess. A room full of writers is either magic or hell, and both are fine.
- No masses, several niches 7:17 Charts stopped meaning a shared audience. The biggest artist in one feed can be unknown in another. Rosalía's recent album was that, for him.
- A good song survives the band 12:08 If the song is good, a small-town marching band can play it, or someone can whistle it. Let the Sun Shine In has survived every setting.
- Bon Iver, then the saxophone 13:24 An anthem gets a pentatonic line, four chords, open strings, and the saxophone, because he plays one and Bon Iver already proved the move.
- The saxophone is not always a saxophone 23:04 Lines that read as strings are often still saxophone, after VocalSynth. He cannot split the acoustic source from what the processing does to it.
- The engineering plan did not survive Los Angeles 30:49 He moved to be a recording engineer, then saw that the top of that job was not a job for someone who had just arrived, and that he could not afford the wait.
- The Offseason, then Welcome to Wrexham 33:45 The Offseason was the prototype. The director of Welcome to Wrexham asked for a demo, the tracks landed, and the show was bigger than he was ready for.
- Five days, on headphones 41:10 Crystal Lake, live players and more than an hour, he mixed himself in about five days on headphones while moving. The masters were approved that day.
Selected excerpts
The first question that I ask myself is, do I want a short sound or a long sound?
If it's wrong because it's too loud, then it becomes character decision, like I'm making it a statement.
The fastest thing you can write is often the best you can write because there's not enough time to double-guess whatever you're doing.
Charting is almost irrelevant because there's no masses anymore. There's several niches.
If it's a good song, it doesn't matter if it's being performed by the marching band of the small town.
Who does this better than Bon Iver? Nobody. Bon Iver's got a saxophone. I got a saxophone.
There are stuff that sound like synthesizers or strings, but it's actually still the saxophone going through this plug-in VocalSynth.
If the opportunity gets presented to you and you're not able to do your homework every day and deliver 45 minutes of music every five days, then there's no amount of connection that can help you.
FAQ
How does Giosuè Greco start a piece of score?
He asks whether he wants a short sound or a long sound. Short sounds he pulls from odd instruments. A long sound is usually a reed, and it takes more work. If the result is too loud, he often keeps it and treats the level as the point.
How did Giosuè Greco start scoring Welcome to Wrexham?
The Offseason came first and worked as a prototype. The director of Welcome to Wrexham asked him to demo. He sent tracks, they landed, and the show was more present than he expected. An agent and a manager came after the first season. He says the introductions do not matter unless he can keep delivering the music.
Why does Giosuè Greco say the fastest writing is often the best?
A deadline, a mix date, or a room full of people removes the time to second-guess. He still has to leave days for real strings and for a mix someone else will hear early. The speed is the method, not a shortcut around the calendar.
Why does Giosuè Greco love music?
He says it is all he has ever known, and he cannot picture doing anything else. Luke's answer on the same question is that music is easy to begin and never finished, which is also how he feels about language.
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