An Interview with Adam Robl

0:19 Luke F. Walton Good everybody, this is Love Music More and I am joined with Adam and Sean. We are going to be talking about music composition, arranging, all sorts of things as well as their musical backgrounds and how they ended up composing for indie films and all sorts of awesome stuff. So welcome to the show.

0:37 Luke F. Walton If you guys could just introduce yourselves just briefly, kind of what maybe your primary instrument and some of the stuff that you're most excited about that you're working on.

0:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. Yeah. Hey, thanks for having us on the show. My name is Sean Seta. My primary instrument is the piano keyboards.

0:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and uh yeah i just love making music in all capacities but film in particular uh lets me kind of step outside of my own story and uh work on something that and make music that i might not have made if not for this story that's being imposed into the mix of things so that's what gets me excited about it and

1:15 Luke F. Walton I really like that. That's really cool.

1:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh i'm adam roble uh my i guess my main instrument is guitar it's what i went to school to study jazz guitar But since then, I mean, I've taught myself how to play I don't know how well, but good enough

1:32 Luke F. Walton I

1:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta to

1:32 Luke F. Walton feel you.

1:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta play a bunch of other, you know, string instruments, piano, whatever is needed, because, I mean, we do we do indie film scoring, like so far, it's mostly indie film, so the budgets are kind of on the lower side, and we have to, you know, make do with what we got. And we absolutely hate, you know, virtual instruments, so we

1:55 Luke F. Walton Cool.

1:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta try to keep it as analog as possible.

2:00 Luke F. Walton I love it.

2:01 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Obviously a huge, you know, huge fan of music because I'm a musician, but also just as much a fan of film. So like it works really well to be kind of melding those two loves together. you know having a good time doing it yeah

2:16 Luke F. Walton I really get that. That's really cool. And I love the idea of it bringing like the story bringing something new out of you. Like I really like that that kind of concept. Could you talk a little bit more about that about like, hey, like I am now scoring this thing about X and I never thought I'd be making music with a toy piano and a glockenspiel but like here I am, you know, that kind of that kind of vibe.

2:39 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta one of the things about it is that I find it really hard to to write when it's like open to just like write anything on any instrument for any purpose of any length with no deadline um and when you're on a film you have okay there's a very particular subject and we need exactly this many seconds of music on exactly this subject and so it creates a little bit of a frame of like okay i'm doing something within this structure which is just helpful for me And then,

3:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like I said before, it just helps me to step into another story, into a feeling that I might not have been able to tap into if not for this movie bringing me into a place and allowing me to create something that's not necessarily part of my own biography, but part of somebody else's story and something that somebody else came up with that puts me into a different space and allows stuff to come out that wouldn't have otherwise.

3:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, each movie has its own. world and like it's interesting to see you know how it affects us and the aesthetics too even just the aesthetics of the cinematography I mean visual yeah visual visuals inspire sound you know like

3:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

3:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta so it's it's interesting just to kind of like you have to kind of like almost like reset your mind and keep it open to whatever might might whatever might come out you know instead of

4:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta attaching yourself to like more stereotypical i guess uh intuition i don't know like yeah

4:14 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I

4:15 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know you know what i'm saying yeah

4:16 Luke F. Walton know what you're saying. Yeah, like allowing that to lead you rather than you leading it sometimes. Having that conversation with the medium, I totally get that.

4:24 Luke F. Walton yeah that makes sense um in terms of like in that production process when do you get uh when do you get picture and like when do you start scoring like what what kind of version of a film are you typically working with are there are there like scenes that are like for placement only or like has it been colored like usually where are you at or is it a mix kind of throughout the process

4:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Most of it has been. we've been getting like almost a finished pretty

4:52 Luke F. Walton Cool.

4:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta close

4:53 Luke F. Walton To be

4:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta to

4:54 Luke F. Walton edited.

4:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta pretty close

4:54 Luke F. Walton Pretty much locked.

4:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta typically when we're working most of the time a lot of time it has temp score already which makes it kind of like cool but also like you know we we're we're in the middle of working well not even it hasn't even been shot or anything but we're you know starting to

5:14 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta come up with ideas for a project that is still on script stage right now which is a whole

5:17 Luke F. Walton Oh,

5:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta different uh different thing for us which is kind of awesome because it's like we're

5:21 Luke F. Walton yeah.

5:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like we're like part of the foundation almost you know in a sense to like

5:27 Luke F. Walton That's really cool. I want to talk more about that. But first, can we talk about temp scoring? Because I bet a lot of listeners don't even know what that is and kind of like how that works. And I would love to just let them in on that little secret part of the process.

5:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, a lot of the time we'll get a film that's been edited and when the editor is working, they don't have our score yet. So they'll get some temporary music they can draw from anything that's ever been created.

5:53 Luke F. Walton Cool.

5:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Just something that kind of fits the vibe of what they're looking for and that helps them kind of pace out their edits so that there's already some music or a tempo or something that they can go off of. And then we'll either use that to inform what we're going to make or sometimes we'll just.

6:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta ignore it and make something else that that feels more right to us but it's a starting point for the conversation like okay this kind of works from their perspective and then we take it from there sometimes it makes it it makes watching the entire cut the first time like a little easier but you know it just depends like it depends if a movie is already cut in a great way and there's no music it's still it can still just be a you know

6:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta entertain you know the the watch but yeah it's all sorts of ways of doing it

6:41 Luke F. Walton Do you think... between the two you would put more music versus less music like say say for example you're getting a really well edited movie and it doesn't have tap music it's just you know just Foley and and dialogue do you think you would like work you would put less input into that versus something that's just full of tap score and and you'd be like oh I gotta I gotta throw underscore for like every scene or

7:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Probably

7:06 Luke F. Walton do you think that

7:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta not.

7:06 Luke F. Walton no cool that's cool

7:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, we do like spotting sessions with the directors when there is no temp score and I feel like a lot of the times we're all on the same page like

7:16 Luke F. Walton Nice.

7:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the score needs to be right yeah I mean if the thing works really well without music then I think leaving more space is the answer there if you don't need music and it's already working then you're just overdoing it there's a bunch of temp in there and that's keeping it working then you have to kind of make sure you also provide that same amount of music.

7:38 Luke F. Walton Yeah, that's that's a good point. Yeah, maybe you guys could talk a little bit about like music as pace You know, like I know that people can picture like action drums like a chase scene or whatever but like, you know on the other side like a simple drone or like an atmospheric kind of pad or something like that that builds into a score can you talk about like some of the you know, knobs and parameters kind of things that you would you would

8:00 Luke F. Walton use to create that feeling of momentum or pace or kind of your take on that.

8:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, there's all kinds of different ways to go about it. It's so infinite, which is kind of what's so exciting about it. But like you mentioned, there's adding a little tension and something that's not moving. It's just kind of a pad underneath that's kind of bubbling some sort of emotion.

8:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And then there's the choice to actually set a tempo of some sort of like something that's driving at a certain pace and sometimes you want the cuts to kind of land on the beat and sometimes you really don't want that at all.

8:36 Luke F. Walton Hmm.

8:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta But it's definitely a tool that can take something that might just seem like it's not moving forward and you can accelerate it by like an action drums or even just simple plucking or whatever it is that's.

8:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta moving it forward and a lot of times the edit will dictate that just like tell you that already like okay this this scene is being cut in certain way where it's like there's obviously a rhythm obviously we need to have some ostinato or something happening some movement happening throughout this uh no

9:09 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

9:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta dialogue is another you

9:11 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

9:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta don't want to have going on during dialogue but i mean we're not really action composers

9:16 Luke F. Walton Right.

9:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know

9:17 Luke F. Walton Totally.

9:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta in that sense but

9:18 Luke F. Walton Just give it an example of like the furthest end of that.

9:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we're we've we've done some we've done some thrillers before but we've had some like scenes that kind of like enter into that realm but like it's a lot of um and say even recently like it's a lot more or like a little more classical based

9:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh drama drama a lot of ambient uh kind of mix between classical and ambient and we have like a euro rack set up with some like modular synths and stuff like that it's pretty cool

9:50 Luke F. Walton that's awesome yeah let's uh let's let's zero in on the two of those terms that you threw out because i know like musicians the ostinato like you know awesome musical device i would love to tell people kind of what that is

10:02 Luke F. Walton is and then also how you know your accents can can play really well with ostinatos and and you know let's let's let people in on that uh that vocab word and broaden their minds the next time they're they're watching a film and they listen and they can be like ah ostinato yeah

10:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta You have the dictionary.

10:19 Luke F. Walton I

10:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, I think an ostinato

10:21 Luke F. Walton mean

10:21 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta is just a repeating pattern, you know, sure a Google search will get something more eloquent than that. But yeah,

10:26 Luke F. Walton no no it's perfect yeah

10:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the musical pattern that repeats. it's

10:29 Luke F. Walton Right.

10:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a it's a good starting point for building around too because it keeps you in keeps you in the uh on the road you

10:37 Luke F. Walton I

10:37 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know and you kind

10:37 Luke F. Walton like

10:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta of like

10:38 Luke F. Walton that. I like that.

10:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know playing around little things on the way uh yeah but it but yeah EuroRack obviously like I mean you know a sequencer is just basically that it accomplishes the same thing as a starting point you know I mean on the modular stuff does so much more but like kind of cool just to Just a pop-up, pop-up violos sequence and see what happens sometimes, no.

11:01 Luke F. Walton Yes, totally. Yeah, I love those kind of concepts of musical nuclei, those little things that other stuff can orbit around or can provide, like you're saying, that rhythmic pulse, that do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka, and that sequencer sound. And it allows you to add more of those atmospheric

11:21 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And we

11:22 Luke F. Walton elements.

11:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta can, yeah, it's not even, yeah, it's like we use a lot of samples. sampling too

11:25 Luke F. Walton Oh,

11:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta so we

11:25 Luke F. Walton cool.

11:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta have a lot of sampling modules that kind of mangle all these like basic

11:29 Luke F. Walton Hmm.

11:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta samples into ways that don't sound like synths but they sound like you know obviously it's being processed you know but in a rhythmic way that sometimes is really fun to build over too

11:42 Luke F. Walton Totally. That absolutely makes sense. Could you talk a little bit about your process? Because I know that you're saying you prefer to do, you know, played rather than sample library.

11:51 Luke F. Walton source audio and then how do you transform that like what are some of the tools you might use what are some of the techniques cool

11:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah i we've i mean a lot a lot of the stuff we've done recently it's a lot of it starts from piano where like sean will sean will come up with a piece throw it to me and then i pull out my shitty cello or sometimes i'll like do a mock like a mock orchestration with with a keyboard but

12:17 Luke F. Walton Mm

12:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i

12:17 Luke F. Walton -hmm.

12:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta don't play players that's just like or or i'll or whatever i'll play it over yeah i mean it's a it's a that's generally the process like the main goal is to like for it to sound real you

12:30 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

12:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know so

12:30 Luke F. Walton yeah.

12:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta their mics have to be involved and good

12:34 Luke F. Walton Cool. Yes.

12:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta luck oh yeah we do love our tone but yeah i would add to that that there's no formula for us like that it's yeah a lot of the times i'll i'll make a piece of it um and we were talking about the euro right sometimes we we start from something kind of unexpected coming out of there and build around that like each scene involves its own uh need and and there's an infinite number of ways

13:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta number of ways to get there so we do try to mix it up and have different kinds of starting points and different ways to get to the result

13:07 Luke F. Walton Oh, I like that. How do you guys record? What's your what's your preferred like DAW and logic nice?

13:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta logic yeah it's just it's better for for video video it's really easy and uh it might not sound quite as good as pro tools sometimes but we need to We got good shit. We got good equipment to make it sound better.

13:28 Luke F. Walton No.

13:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta We make up for it in the other equipment. Yeah.

13:31 Luke F. Walton Absolutely. Yeah. Any, any difference between DAW out like output is this, this big.

13:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, the PX is the most important.

13:39 Luke F. Walton Right. Exactly. No,

13:40 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Those little

13:40 Luke F. Walton it's the, it's the process.

13:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta differences end up meaning a lot to us, though.

13:44 Luke F. Walton Oh yeah.

13:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta But

13:45 Luke F. Walton That's a good point.

13:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a great mix to make something sound 1% better,

13:48 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

13:48 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I would say.

13:49 Luke F. Walton That's great. That's great. I would love to, and I'd love to, do you guys do your own? own like mixes and and stuff like that awesome mastering

13:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah mixing and mastering there's like we

13:59 Luke F. Walton as well cool nice

14:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta can do our own mastering and we have a tape deck for it now too um

14:03 Luke F. Walton red yeah

14:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and we like controlling all of those aspects and like you were saying there's a lot of indie films that we've been on there isn't uh there's not like a budget to include somebody that's amazing at it to come do it better than us so we do it the best we can

14:20 Luke F. Walton and also like you're saying it allows you more control in terms of like what it's actually going to sound like sometimes i feel like people look at mixing engineers as like a panacea where in reality you're giving up quite a bit of your sound design yeah

14:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah i mean if you do go that route i think it's important to at least give them a mix that represents what you're trying to say and if they can clean it up or

14:42 Luke F. Walton yeah for sure

14:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like that that's great too you know i mean that would probably be the route we take at some point down a line but for now it's it's just like kind of fun to learn and do it ourselves and get as good as we can at it yeah

14:55 Luke F. Walton for sure um let's go down the signal changes because i'm i'm a

14:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta oh recording yeah sure

15:00 Luke F. Walton engineer so i'm a nerd about all this stuff uh my my yeah mic locker what do you guys what do you guys like like drawing from yeah

15:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we've got a vintage u67 that we bought uh this is chef 221 b's that are used a lot for Strings and piano, guitar sometimes, an old Neumann CMV 563,

15:23 Luke F. Walton Nice.

15:23 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta just a great mic that RCA 77 is pretty fun for guitar amps, it's pretty great on that, and also some cello sometimes, stuff like that.

15:40 Luke F. Walton Cool.

15:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I'm really a big Guns. I

15:42 Luke F. Walton yeah

15:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like

15:43 Luke F. Walton there

15:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a lot

15:43 Luke F. Walton oh

15:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta of Mike's stuff. A little other one for Mike's that are useful too.

15:46 Luke F. Walton oh of course yeah even like a sm57 you can get a lot of mileage on something like that yeah

15:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta We got tons of those.

15:52 Luke F. Walton right exactly

15:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah.

15:55 Luke F. Walton that's perfect oh

15:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, that's the mic. The preamps are pretty sensitive too. We have a Wilson Big Telefunken V72s that we use.

16:06 Luke F. Walton sweet that's awesome

16:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh four channels of the gordon model five it's like a very clean beautiful sounding preamp few

16:15 Luke F. Walton Cool. I'm not familiar with that one.

16:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta channel for so sct

16:19 Luke F. Walton Nice. Nice.

16:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta great clean preamp and then an old anfax like a 150 like a or 350 the anfax 350 with

16:29 Luke F. Walton Cool.

16:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that giant six rack tube

16:31 Luke F. Walton Awesome.

16:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta create

16:32 Luke F. Walton That's

16:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that's

16:33 Luke F. Walton awesome and and in that that's fun too because now you have like the super colorful options You got the more transparent stuff depending on the character that you're looking to get out

16:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and the Telefunken is kind of like it's very full range and it's very for a tube cream it's very clean but it's just like incredible like you know just that's our that's our peak right there as far as previous picture

16:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like, you know, just that's our, that's our peak right there is our nice Telefunken

16:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta sure.

16:56 Luke F. Walton that's awesome yeah I mean being able to get that the warmth out of those tubes but also preserve I mean like you're saying

17:02 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta for the frequency range and everything anyway

17:04 Luke F. Walton especially when you're you have like a really minimal arrangement it's like all that little stuff has got to be tight you don't have a lot of places for it to hide that's

17:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but they all they all do their own thing and it's cool yeah it's been cool to like learn that you know learn that place

17:20 Luke F. Walton do you do you like now i'm always curious with people that get really familiar with their gear do you have like a gut feeling it's like this preamp or do you like have you like have a conversation or whatever you're just like like i know my gear this is the move for

17:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah

17:33 Luke F. Walton this take

17:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we know we know the characters of each

17:36 Luke F. Walton yeah

17:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta one yeah i usually know what you're going for before you start yeah there was one session we did where we were recording bass and it was just like kind of hard cheers so we just recorded it in both and it's nice to switch back and forth between them it's so it's nice to have both because they're so different you know it's right

17:52 Luke F. Walton yeah i get that yeah

17:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and then yeah a lot of other like we had like a i went crazy last black friday and i bought

18:02 Luke F. Walton a nice

18:02 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta vintage poltag from vintage king or some shit

18:07 Luke F. Walton cool right on

18:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta You know, it's crazy shit when

18:12 Luke F. Walton Totally.

18:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you grow up in a two-tape machine. Well, she should, but I mean, if we were in that room,

18:18 Luke F. Walton yeah

18:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we could have we could have had all of that stuff in

18:20 Luke F. Walton yeah

18:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the other room we could have come in here.

18:22 Luke F. Walton this is like a this

18:23 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta The piano room and the meeting room.

18:25 Luke F. Walton most people are going to listen to this this is a video podcast but like spotify just added that where you can like turn your phone and you can watch it on video most people still listen to it so um they'll just take our word for it but yeah having all that gear that that does it gives you those different

18:42 Luke F. Walton different options for for color for vibe um do you guys play with um kind of like era as well like oh we i want this to feel more like 60s or 70s or modern or a mix like do you guys use that as a as a device or is it mostly

18:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta not

18:59 Luke F. Walton in

18:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta quite

18:59 Luke F. Walton the notes

18:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta as

18:59 Luke F. Walton cool

18:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta much because i say we we tend to record like um I don't even know, like film music is like a different kind of, yeah, Yeah, we haven't done anything that we're like purposefully

19:11 Luke F. Walton Like

19:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta trying to

19:12 Luke F. Walton a

19:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta make,

19:12 Luke F. Walton period piece kind of.

19:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta maybe like down 50s or 60s.

19:16 Luke F. Walton Right.

19:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta We just find that stuff from that era tends to sound better to our sensibilities.

19:21 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

19:21 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And it's really just about getting the highest fidelity, best warmest instrument in

19:27 Luke F. Walton The Smiths.

19:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the frequencies. So it's less about time period and more just about. the best possible sound you can get

19:34 Luke F. Walton Cool. That makes sense. Yeah. Cherry picking across unless you're doing like a period piece or something. I understand. Yeah, one day for sure. For sure. Yeah. Rent out capital and make it happen. Yeah.

19:47 Luke F. Walton In terms of like, like mixing and, and checking stuff, how do you how do you like what kind of reference monitors or do you do you check it in different settings because like film you know everything from a big proper theater to your iphone it's like a huge range of experience of the medium how do you guys check your miskins

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I

20:10 Luke F. Walton when you

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta mean,

20:10 Luke F. Walton make our them

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta monitors are good.

20:11 Luke F. Walton yeah

20:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta They're great monitors. We use Psi 821 and Shona's 817s. and they're amazing monitors but when it comes down to like really mixing for a movie theater you really just soundstage that's

20:27 Luke F. Walton Mmm.

20:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like i

20:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

20:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and we've done we've actually we've done a 5-1 mix like

20:33 Luke F. Walton Sweet.

20:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta tiny little 10 10 room which is hilarious because i don't really i mean it helps to have the speakers there but you know it's like It's not exactly the most accurate representation for a theater. It's amazing.

20:49 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

20:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta But I would say that like in the beginning when we were learning the process more, we did a lot more like let's bounce this and check it in the car on those speakers. Let's hear it out of your cell.

21:00 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

21:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, we still do some of that, but I think we've started to learn if it sounds this way on the speakers that it's going to translate as good as it can everywhere else usually translates pretty well. Yeah

21:11 Luke F. Walton yeah i agree no i mean especially like when you're learning new speakers or learning a new room that's when i'm most anxious but yeah like when you when you get it you get it you know like it doesn't sound like this here it'll sound like that there you can kind of like that you know they have those um

21:25 Luke F. Walton sonar works i think i think they're the ones that do it but it's like they they change the um frequency pattern of your headphones to be like i'm in a new place um

21:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, you can

21:34 Luke F. Walton for

21:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta have like little crappy speakers too. A lot of people do that.

21:38 Luke F. Walton sure yeah uh luke uh mullman from a great good final okay he was he loves like these like really crappy computer speaker things that he found in a dumpster he

21:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta It makes great mix. I mean, it's just

21:51 Luke F. Walton does

21:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like, yeah.

21:53 Luke F. Walton he does so it does work yeah that's awesome um in terms of your guys's musical journey i'd love to just kind of follow that a little bit and i want to mostly learn how the two of you connected and started working together and building a partnership um but i'd like to first start with what got you into music what what what lured you in what what hooked you and i'd love to ask both of you that question cool

22:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I guess I'll go first on that. I started playing the piano because I was too young for the basketball league.

22:26 Luke F. Walton Nice. No way.

22:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, my friend was like, oh, I'm going to do piano and it's like two students, I need a partner. It was not on my radar, but I really liked it right away. I really got into it. And right away, I started making my own songs. I was always better

22:41 Luke F. Walton Hmm.

22:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta at like making something and playing that rather than learning stuff at an early age. And then when I was I was seven then and then at 11, I met a mentor, Richard, who asked me to join a band that he was putting together. And it was really like looking up to him and everything that he taught me that like.

23:03 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta dragged me further in it was at that point that I was like okay this is like a career this is something I want to do and I've just gone further further down the rabbit hole the more I listen the more I learn how to play the more I've experienced the more I love it so just each stage across the the journey has drawn me into it more and

23:23 Luke F. Walton Love that. That's really cool.

23:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I guess I started kind of later but when I it was like when i was around 12 or something um but i was always i mean i was always i always loved music i mean especially it's like a kind of a full circle thing because like i always loved movie music like

23:41 Luke F. Walton Mm.

23:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it was i remember when i was like full like whenever jurassic park came out Yes. that was like my that was like my jam my soundtrack me and my brother would like put on these John Williams cues and like act out the scenes like

23:55 Luke F. Walton Yes.

23:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a super musical cue or like I would like mash the scene and like especially that opening like scene where the guy gets eaten by the raptor in the cage and we're like you know following the score and like getting ripped into the you know like it's just

24:09 Luke F. Walton Cool.

24:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like it was a funny yeah just a funny like uh that's kind of it's always like my my story for origin story

24:17 Luke F. Walton Yeah, your origin story,

24:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but

24:19 Luke F. Walton yes.

24:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that was like a lot of no no nothing no music and my like my dad didn't play anything it was terrible musically but he like started buying these guitars just to like have them and it was like

24:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it was cool i mean we'd go to the store and i'd go buy a guitar he'd put it up in the living room he wouldn't play it or if he did it was sounding horrible and it would just sit there and then my mom got like an electric piano just to kind of like take piano lessons which and i just kind of just started playing and a lot of like another thing like a lot of movie themes like i was like teaching myself like the theme to like i

24:56 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

24:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta don't

24:56 Luke F. Walton yeah, for

24:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know it's

24:57 Luke F. Walton sure for

24:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like hilarious

24:57 Luke F. Walton sure

24:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but like you know just like that just like oh you should take piano lessons and I took piano lessons for like a few months and then I picked up my dad's guitar and I started like playing the guitar like with my thumb it was like this like weird thing that I was doing and then I was like oh I want to take guitar lessons so I started taking guitar lessons got into like heavy

25:14 Luke F. Walton what did the teacher say when you show up and you're like rocking the thumb with your dad

25:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta rocking the thumb I can't do it anymore but that was my that was my thing at first I didn't know what I was doing uh but like yeah I got into like heavy metal like Metallica

25:27 Luke F. Walton yeah absolutely

25:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's like a pretty standard guitar player to work in that story.

25:32 Luke F. Walton agreed how'd

25:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Then I started getting into jazz, went to UM for jazz guitar, met Sean, and yeah.

25:42 Luke F. Walton you guys meet

25:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Oh, yeah, just out of school. We were just the same year at UM, we're both jazz instrumental. uh majors so

25:52 Luke F. Walton nice

25:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we became friends right away we were assigned to the same group right in the beginning which uh it was a weird weird group it was a really weird uncomfortable yeah

26:02 Luke F. Walton it's like a combo thing or like what was what was it like

26:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's like a little like rhythm section and we had like some weird assignment uh that you know it was a tough situation and we had like so much fun doing it and like the result of it uh felt really good like it came out well and we're like oh yeah we realized right away like okay there's something here to this collaboration maybe so and then the actual so

26:26 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

26:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta then another you know we graduate whatever we're still friends and uh i'm looking to rent a house

26:34 Luke F. Walton yeah.

26:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know in south miami like which is like where around where sean lived i i've been to his i was at his house before i kind of knew where it was but i go to this house and i'm like checking it out like it's cool house i go in the backyard and i notice it's his backyard

26:48 Luke F. Walton What?

26:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like i'm inside

26:50 Luke F. Walton For

26:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it and

26:51 Luke F. Walton real?

26:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i'm the house is i'm like sean i'm in your fucking backyard like we're

26:55 Luke F. Walton How

26:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta about to

26:55 Luke F. Walton serendipitous.

26:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah so

26:56 Luke F. Walton That's crazy.

26:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i started renting with some friends and i mean i've been living i eventually bought the house

27:04 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

27:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know mine

27:04 Luke F. Walton I bought a couple of them.

27:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it was like a couple years after that or a year after that we started working together on like some commercial music stuff and then um we got like a it was like through like an editing agency we we linked up with some directors that were doing their first feature and we just dove in you know kind of out of nowhere there and

27:26 Luke F. Walton that's awesome

27:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it got into south by southwest and like it was kind of like a good starting point in the for the film scoring uh you know direction and we've just been kind of like riding that since

27:36 Luke F. Walton that's awesome so how does that work like so you score your first film you guys are working together you have the serendipitous like reunion each other's backyards that's a great story and then you score this film and now you're gonna go south by

27:53 Luke F. Walton I do like how do you get notified like hey you're like going to be in the festival do you guys like make plans like you're going to go out and and hang out and like network or like how what what's your next step like how do you react where do you go from there yeah

28:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean our director and producer called us and told us and they were excited and they're like you know uh yeah you guys should come they got us badges to

28:15 Luke F. Walton nice

28:15 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like whatever

28:15 Luke F. Walton yep

28:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we wanted because you know it didn't pay much they're like we'll just give you a list you know and uh we just had a fucking blast there i mean it's not the greatest place ever almost

28:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta fun place you can go to for sure

28:27 Luke F. Walton did you guys ride drive out there fly out there what'd you guys do

28:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah we flew out there and rented a house and uh we've stayed all the way through the film thing uh and then into like the music week

28:39 Luke F. Walton Nice. That's

28:40 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that's

28:40 Luke F. Walton awesome.

28:40 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta our favorite festival because it has like our whole music to it uh that was a blast you know we try to go every time there's a good festival we try to make it out

28:52 Luke F. Walton That's awesome. Did you guys feel like being part of that energy? Did you meet new people? Did that help lead to the next gig? How does that... I'm always curious how that momentum starts to build and you chain one gig into another gig and then you have a career. How did that next step go for you?

29:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah Yeah. we met our dads it's it's very intentional the way we've gotten gigs and like i spend a lot of time working on that side of things i think

29:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. that a lot of composer careers just die because nobody's heard of you and like if you don't take some steps at that point to like connect with people then um nothing's gonna happen so um yeah we we did meet somebody at south by that led to another their film uh

29:35 Luke F. Walton Cool.

29:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but one of the stars in the film that we were there for ended up making her own film uh

29:40 Luke F. Walton Perfect.

29:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and we got to score that too um

29:42 Luke F. Walton Sweet.

29:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know i try not to network and she and that's right we're here and here's our visit

29:49 Luke F. Walton Exactly.

29:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah uh but yeah naturally at a at a film festival you're meeting cool people that have earned their way into the festival and um yeah sometimes things will come of that

30:01 Luke F. Walton no i mean i agree i feel like the best way to network is just to actually make friends you

30:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah get out of that

30:07 Luke F. Walton know like instead of like looking at other people like what can i get out of

30:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta them you always feel that the guy that's like there just

30:13 Luke F. Walton you

30:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta to network

30:13 Luke F. Walton can't you can tell yes

30:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah it's kind of weird yeah

30:20 Luke F. Walton i agree um in terms of you know kind of what what are you guys excited about like right now like what what are what are you working on what are some of the things that you know are like challenges that either you're working on right now or you you really want to tackle uh coming up like is there any style of music is there any style of film that you're like man i really want to do that or something you're working on right now i'm so hyped to be a part of this

30:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, there's a little bit of all of that going Cool. on. Hit me, hit me. Yeah, so right now we're in a weird place in film industries, there's strikes and like,

30:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Sure. so there's not a lot of things happening right now. And so we're not on a bunch of films, we are working on a short coming up soon.

31:03 Luke F. Walton Nice.

31:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's going to be really awesome. I've been talking to the director and she's got some great ideas. So there's some excitement for that. uh one of the projects that we're taking on in the meantime is building a standalone studio in between our adjacent houses we're going to make a building um i got a blueprint here for whoever's watching visually we're yeah yeah

31:26 Luke F. Walton oh that's so cool yes

31:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we're working on you know a whole control room and like rooms and the whole thing like uh elevating our game to like really be able to do things properly to be able to work around the clock to be able to keep the AC on to be able to have

31:42 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

31:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta more people in the room with us like you know getting out of the home studio and

31:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. getting into the backyard home studio and some building so that's been a huge project uh

31:53 Luke F. Walton Yes.

31:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and I was also mentioning some a project that we were working on from the script stage and I'm super excited about that film because the script is amazing and the team that's working on that is incredible we got to write some music for it already and I think that's going to be you know one of our favorite films that we get the chance to work on when it finally comes to fruition

32:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, you there's a lot of writer's strike stuff kind of holding it back right now but sure

32:22 Luke F. Walton For sure.

32:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So,

32:24 Luke F. Walton Sorry for

32:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah,

32:25 Luke F. Walton that.

32:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I think stylistically, we kind of honed in on this like kind of neoclassical thing that mixes some classical music, some ambient music that's kind of our favorite these days.

32:38 Luke F. Walton Cool.

32:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta One thing that really excites us for the future is to do some more like larger ensemble writing where we get to, you know, use a real orchestra and get to record with choirs. um

32:50 Luke F. Walton Yes.

32:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta kind of like collaboration with other musicians and bringing more people into the mix is something that excites me about the future like getting into some of the bigger films that allow us the opportunity to work with more people and people that we admire what they can do

33:07 Luke F. Walton Yes. uh and feel free to say no i'm just curious your take it you don't have to go down here if you don't want to um i would love to learn more about the writer's strike from the composer's perspective but at the same time i don't want to uh to you know make it so that you guys have to speak too publicly on on anything if you don't want to speak publicly on it

33:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, we don't think we're going to say anything new. yeah

33:30 Luke F. Walton yeah i know that's true yeah

33:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Obviously, we support the actors and the writers like people are. like people are setting themselves up to make a living and to be able to do their art more fully and have all this stuff sorted out so that they're not struggling. So, I mean, that whole, I mean, it all even can. relate to music in a sense because

33:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

33:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a lot of the things that they're striking about you know involve AI and you know things like that which it is a is a threat to potentially to composers you know too so it's a it's something that it's a cool technology that needs to be figured out as far as how it works you know legally all that stuff

34:16 Luke F. Walton Right. Yeah. And like, especially when you can have an AI that's like, hey, give me art that's like this person.

34:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah,

34:22 Luke F. Walton And it's like, yeah, I trained on that person. It's like, isn't

34:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it doesn't

34:26 Luke F. Walton that cool?

34:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta really make its own person. No,

34:32 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

34:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta there's always going to be the need for people to do things. So I don't concern myself too much with what AI is going to do, but as far as the strikes go, I think it's probably really needed right now for these things to all get figured out. And I'm just hoping they come to some sort of agreement soon that everybody's cool with so that we can go back to making great things.

34:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And I think the circumstances need to be arranged so everybody can do. They can do their best work.

35:02 Luke F. Walton yeah i agree with that it's a really good point um the yeah the ai stuff is is a is it is weird it's weird i think it's a it's a strange thing for all of us to grapple with yeah it can be fun have you guys have you guys played with any of it or

35:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Mean, you know just the little picture make a weird shirt with some words thing

35:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

35:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I've done some like music generation like in an AI tool where it's like putting some descriptors and it popped out some horrible thing and I've listened to like some examples I don't think the technology is not there yet but it's going to move so quickly and I have seen some examples of like okay well this is legitimate So I will see.

35:45 Luke F. Walton yeah totally yeah the best thing that i've seen so far is like sorting like it's like here's your sample library like find me something that's kind of like this and it's like hey here's a snare drum that's pretty close like oh yeah thanks that's a unique sounding snare

35:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That makes it super useful. Yeah, there's all kinds of applications where these can be tools that we use to move faster and get things done better. So hopefully that's where we go instead of getting replaced by robots.

36:09 Luke F. Walton exactly exactly and i think that's like the mindset mindset shift of technologists versus artists is like hey like guys like focus on making the tool like not necessarily like remaking the artist but i think there's a there's a little bit of arrogance involved on behalf of some of these tech ceos yeah

36:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I mean you can definitely I mean and also these studios like they're you totally take advantage of people with that technology so it was really hard to hash it out you know yeah yeah

36:42 Luke F. Walton totally selling your likeness for in perpetuity for 200 bucks that's that's pretty that's pretty rough

36:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah they need to figure that out before that happens i think i was i was just it was a it was like that story about the you know power rangers like the

36:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta remember the guy that was in the that big face that comes up you ever watch power rangers

37:03 Luke F. Walton I did. I did watch Power Rangers.

37:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but

37:04 Luke F. Walton I'm trying to visualize

37:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i forget

37:05 Luke F. Walton them.

37:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta his name so zord or something like the thing i'm gonna come up with the name like i don't remember his name but he's like the he's just like a project his face and like they pay he's in every episode like talking to these power rangers he's like the the leader right and they pay the guy 150 dollars one time to use his face

37:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and then they would just like insert dialogue into his mouth like doing different mouth and he got paid $150 total for the entire show it's

37:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Oh my god. it's wild it's crazy

37:36 Luke F. Walton wow no totally i mean like i feel like if the voice actor for siri knew what she was getting into she'd probably be retired

37:44 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah yeah so

37:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

37:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So anyway.

37:48 Luke F. Walton Yeah, anyway. The home recorder air conditioning thing is so real. like i don't know i don't know if listeners know but the whole like you have the air conditioning in the same room as the microphones you got to turn that thing off boil while you do your take and turn it back on

38:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, we're in Miami too. So it's 100 degrees outside and it turns into a sauna real quick. So one of our motivations, one of our many motivations is to have a studio where you insulate and do all the proper things that the AC can remain on and silent. and yeah keep us cool and

38:26 Luke F. Walton That'll be huge. And also dehumidified. That's not a bad

38:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah

38:31 Luke F. Walton thing either.

38:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta for all the instruments sake as well

38:34 Luke F. Walton For sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah. Do you guys find that in your heat and humidity, you have to tune up more or like you got the piano without the front on or are you guys having to make make adjustments and stuff in

38:48 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, it needs to be tuned in the seasons all

38:50 Luke F. Walton season?

38:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the time. Yeah,

38:51 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

38:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta every time

38:52 Luke F. Walton right.

38:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the season changes. We only have two seasons, but those two seasons, hot and cold, needs to be tuned in between that. Hot and mild every year.

39:04 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

39:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah yeah

39:05 Luke F. Walton Right.

39:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta when you're gigging and you're going outside then yeah all the guitar players when you have outside gigs are constantly tuning probably more than if we were uh in california or something yeah

39:19 Luke F. Walton Yeah, that's interesting. Do you guys have any like takes on where the kind of music industry is at right now or kind of where creativity is at? Just curious on like how you've, you know, as you've grown your careers, has your perspective changed or kind of like the way that you look at any of these things? Has that evolved or coalesced, manifestode? Yeah.

39:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I, you know, I'm grateful to keep learning about the music industry. It's such a big animal. There's so many sides of it and there's so many different ways that people are earning money through music now.

39:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So I've been really grateful to meet people that can teach me about all the various things and so more than like shaping an opinion on it i'm just learning about the ins and outs and how many different things are going on um

40:07 Luke F. Walton Cool.

40:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta trying to adapt yeah trying to adapt and trying to be valuable uh now you know um but i i think creativity is is more alive than ever i think um because there are more tools available to more people uh and maybe we've sorted out

40:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta in society to be able to allow people to explore their creativity I think and we have more people than we've ever had before and

40:33 Luke F. Walton Uh-huh.

40:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta creativity is at an all-time high in my opinion yeah yeah there's a lot of great shit out there sure people are making good stuff I mean, I don't know. I'm not speaking for the pop music or stuff like a film.

40:49 Luke F. Walton yeah yeah

40:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Like there's a lot of great scores that have been coming out. Oh, yeah.

40:52 Luke F. Walton that's

40:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta A great lot of great films. It's an awesome time for, well, maybe not right now

40:57 Luke F. Walton with yeah

40:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the strikes going

40:58 Luke F. Walton right

40:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta on before that.

40:58 Luke F. Walton yeah yeah yeah i understand right

40:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta There's never in history have there been so many productions and so much shows money poured

41:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that into. TV shows right now are like they're kind of like the king. Yeah, it's like a renaissance. I would like.

41:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta big companies pouring in billions to make shows so it's

41:16 Luke F. Walton Mm hmm.

41:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a cool time

41:18 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I appreciate the optimism because I've talked to some other people that are in your field. I'm usually older folks and, you know, they've got the whole it's not the way it used to be kind of feeling.

41:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we've

41:29 Luke F. Walton And I understand that.

41:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta been

41:31 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

41:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta to some gatherings and like we go to LA every once in a while it's kind of so it's up and we've gone to a few gatherings where like you get like a group of film composers together and it's just like it's kind of a weird vibe like

41:46 Luke F. Walton Hmm.

41:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta because you got you have some bitter bitter people there you know like that are that are just mad that they're not

41:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta working or whatever and it's just like yeah sure there was i was like let's go back to miami yeah we'll just yeah it's

42:00 Luke F. Walton Right, yeah, exactly.

42:02 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta easy it's easy to fall into pessimism and it's easy to compare you know uh in the 90s what you'd get paid to do something to now is totally different or the the era of being able to sell cds for some people and um it's easy to

42:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh resist change and to be upset about it but it's not productive i think optimism is very productive it's probably easier for us to say that too because we never really we weren't making that kind of money maybe

42:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

42:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta for sure on the advertising music side we we hear that all the time we're like yeah you're not like these commercials don't pay anywhere near what they used to pay for for advertising music and it's like that's not our goals we're not we're not trying to make advertising music but you gotta make money

42:46 Luke F. Walton Hmm?

42:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and you know we're happy to to make you know i guess some thousands let's go whatever

42:53 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

42:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it is you

42:53 Luke F. Walton let's

42:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know

42:53 Luke F. Walton go!

42:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know and they're like i used to get 30 grand easy for that for a commercial and i was like oh happy to get that because

43:05 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right.

43:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we're used to you know we're used to what we're used to you know

43:09 Luke F. Walton But I also think it speaks to you guys have a certain sense of like optimism and joy that you're bringing to what you're doing. Like I can tell that you genuinely love it. And I think that that's, I don't know, that's kind of like a nice little shield when you get into those environments. You're like, I'm not that. I don't want to become that.

43:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I've been very conscious of that. I remember coming up as a younger musician and meeting a lot of people like that. I was like, oh my gosh, like, is that an inevitable part of this journey? And I don't think it needs to be. I think that if you're in that dark of a place, then it's time to look at other options because this isn't the career for becoming a billionaire.

43:51 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

43:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta It's

43:51 Luke F. Walton yeah,

43:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a career that you do because you love it. And if you can sustain yourself and find a way to do it, then it's great.

43:59 Luke F. Walton yes. Yeah, exactly. And with that, I actually, I want to move to our last question. So this show is called Love Music More. This goes into love music why. It's kind of like why do you do what you do? Why did you sacrifice? Why did you go to school? Why do you not make the investment banker money but instead turn on and off the AC? This is like basically if there's a 12-year-old listening to this right now.

44:27 Luke F. Walton right now somebody that's just like kind of plunking away at the keyboards what do you tell them like and they're like ah you know should i keep going is this is this a viable thing um but they love it like what would you tell your younger self like why why why do you do this like why did you choose this just curious

44:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I don't think much has changed since, you know, in my perspective, like I always see music as a as a way to transport it's like a

44:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know takes it can take you places where you've never been before on this earth and like it's an adventure like i i see it i have a very adventurous spirit about it like i like walking into a room with all this shit everywhere not knowing what the hell is going to happen and just throwing shit around and then watching something miraculous just manifest and not asking how or why you know it's like a nice

45:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta It's a nice feeling to kind of just like jump off a ledge and know that you're going to get caught by something at some point, you know, and that's like the feeling that I that I get with music.

45:37 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I mean, I would tell a 12 year old to absolutely keep going, of course, to keep making music if you love it.

45:44 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And it's a privilege as a lifestyle to be able to to make your living by doing something that you love. And I don't meet any investment bankers who feel passionate towards investment banking. It's really just a means to get money and it's not a way to fulfill yourself. I think. Every single time I play every day, I'm getting a spiritual and emotional fulfillment from what I'm doing.

46:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And that's worth the sacrifice of turning the AC on and off and not making tons of money because you're living your life to what you value. And if you get to do that and you get to meet people and collaborate and make great relationships. It can be an amazing life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

46:35 Luke F. Walton I love that.

46:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta collaboration is a big big wonderful thing and For sure. And that's definitely something that's led us into film, being able to collaborate

46:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a with people, lot of people yeah a lot of people a and lot of people on one project and people who have expertise in things that we have no idea about is cool to me.

46:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's always great to like i mean a lot of these premieres we go to like first time we meet a lot of these people and it's like Just like how quickly this group of people come together and you're just like, I

47:01 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you're bonded just, from yeah, just having you're so bonded made and yeah, this thing together so uh

47:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's really. yeah the community aspect of it is a big appeal as well for sure

47:11 Luke F. Walton That's a really interesting point. I liked all of that, the jumping off the ledge and knowing that you'll be caught.

47:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah.

47:18 Luke F. Walton the the you know finding personal fulfillment and freedom and then also the community of yeah you're right i mean a film that's so many people doing so many different things but all integral to creating that great some greater than the parts kind of thing yeah

47:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, for film scoring, that's by far the greatest joy is like the finished film, not how cool was our music, you know.

47:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like that's fine like if it's cool it's cool if it ends up not being that crazy out of something that's cool too if the film isn't amazing because of it you know or it helps it make them make the film better you know so it's a it's a it's a less less selfish kind of endeavor music with regards regards to music which i like

48:05 Luke F. Walton does it feel does it feel similar to like when you guys play jazz together and you're like kind of bouncing off of each other or is it or is it just yeah

48:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh yeah we kind of uh departed from jazz after yeah school

48:18 Luke F. Walton no no for sure i

48:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it might

48:20 Luke F. Walton just be mean that

48:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta similar it might be similar to that first time we played though

48:23 Luke F. Walton okay cool cool yeah

48:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta in a way you know it's like it's similar to playing in a in a band with somebody which we have a lot of experience

48:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah with where you bring something to it but it starts getting colored by everybody else's input by what they're doing But this has like a different dimension to it where they're bringing visuals or storytelling or writing or set design or coloring, all these different things that we don't have any expertise in and they're bringing a new dimension to the art. It's the most collaborative thing I've ever seen.

48:58 Luke F. Walton I love it. Well, thank you both so much for taking the time to talk with me and talk about music. This has been an absolute joy.

49:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah for us too thanks for having us

49:07 Luke F. Walton For sure. Is there anywhere that you guys would recommend people kind of check you guys out, like, you know, watch some of your films or is there anything that you'd prefer to point people towards?

49:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta oh yeah we have a film like a yeah it's a good really great film on uh showtime right now that's streaming for free and check that out called poser What is there anything else streaming? Is that the next?

49:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh that might be the only one you could find grasshoppers at a place and then and then you could put either of our names into spotify and hear our last couple soundtracks that got published

49:45 Luke F. Walton awesome yeah well i'll link to that for sure in the in the bio too so people can just tap and listen check out the sounds yeah i love it and maybe uh pretend to kill some dinosaurs to whatever soundtrack it is

49:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the dinosaurs are killing the people right

50:02 Luke F. Walton Right. Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you both so much. I'm Scoobert Doobert. You can check out my stuff at scoobertdoobert.pizza. Subscribe, five stars, all the good stuff. So thank you both so much for joining and wish you both all the best in your careers and I'll be watching and listening.

50:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Thank you very much. All right.

50:22 Luke F. Walton Thank you.

50:23 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Take care.