An Interview with Shawn Sutta

0:19 Luke F. Walton Good everybody. This is Love Music More and I am joined with Adam and Sean. We are going to be talking about music, composition, arranging, all sorts of things as well as their musical backgrounds and how they ended up composing for indie films and all sorts of awesome stuff. So welcome to the show.

0:37 Luke F. Walton If you guys could just introduce yourselves just briefly, kind of what maybe your primary instrument and some of the stuff that you're most excited about that you're working on.

0:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. Yeah. Hey, thanks for having us on the show. My name is Sean Seta. My primary instrument is the piano keyboards. And, yeah, I just love making music in all capacities of film in particular. Let's me kind of step outside of my own story and work on something that and make music that I might not have made if not for this story that's being imposed into the mix of things. So that's what gets me excited about it.

1:15 Luke F. Walton I really like that. That's really cool.

1:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And I'm Adam Roble. I guess my main instrument is guitar. That's what I went to school to study, jazz guitar.

1:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but since then I mean I've taught myself how to play I don't know about well but good enough to play a bunch of other you know string instruments piano whatever is needed because I mean we do we do indie film scoring like so far it's mostly indie films so the budgets are kind of on the lower side and we have to you know make do with what we got And we absolutely hate virtual instruments, so we

1:55 Luke F. Walton Cool.

1:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta try to keep it

1:57 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

1:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta as analog as possible.

2:00 Luke F. Walton I love it.

2:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Obviously a huge fan of music because I'm a musician, but also just as much a fan of film, so it works really well to be kind of melding those two loves together. Yeah, we're having a good time doing it.

2:16 Luke F. Walton i really get that that's really cool and i love the idea of it bringing like the story bringing something new out of you like i i really like that that kind of concept could you talk a little bit more about that about like hey like i am now scoring this thing about x and um i never thought i'd be making music with a toy piano and a glockenspiel but like here i am you know that kind of that kind of

2:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah,

2:38 Luke F. Walton you have any examples

2:39 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta one of the things about it is that I find it really hard to to write when it's like open to just like write anything on any instrument for any purpose of any length with no deadline um when you're on a film you have okay there's a very particular subject and we need exactly this many seconds of music on exactly this subject and so it creates a little bit of a frame of like okay i'm doing something within this structure which is helpful for me And then, like I said before,

3:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it just helps me to step into another story, into a feeling that I might not have been able to tap into if not for this movie bringing me into a place and allowing me to create something that's not necessarily part of my own biography, but part of somebody else's story and something that somebody else came up with that puts me into a different space and allows stuff to come out that wouldn't have otherwise. Yeah,

3:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta each movie has its own. world and like it's interesting to see you know how it affects us and the aesthetics too even just the aesthetics of the son of photography uh i mean visual yeah visual visuals inspire sound you know like so it's it's it's interesting just to kind of like you have to kind of like almost like reset your mind and keep it open to whatever might might whatever might come out you know instead of uh

4:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta attaching yourself to like more stereotypical I guess uh intuition I don't know like yeah

4:14 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I

4:15 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know you know what I'm saying

4:15 Luke F. Walton know what you're saying. Yeah, like allowing that to lead you rather than you leading it sometimes and having that conversation with the medium. I totally get that. Yeah, that makes sense.

4:26 Luke F. Walton In terms of like in that production process, when do you get when do you get picture and like when do you start scoring like what kind of version of a film are you typically working with? Are there are there like scenes that are like for placement only or like has it been colored? Like usually where are you at or is it a mix kind of throughout the process?

4:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Most of it has been... we've been getting like almost finished like

4:52 Luke F. Walton Cool.

4:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta pretty close

4:53 Luke F. Walton Created

4:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta to pretty

4:54 Luke F. Walton pretty much a lot. Yeah.

4:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta typically when we're working most of the time a lot of time it has temp score already which makes it kind of like cool but also like you know we we're we're in the middle of working well not it hasn't even been shot or anything but we're you know starting to

5:14 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta come up with ideas for a project that is still on script stage right now which is a whole different different thing for us which is kind of awesome because it's like we're

5:21 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Yeah.

5:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like we're like part of the foundation almost in a in a sense so like

5:27 Luke F. Walton That's really cool. I want to talk more about that, but first, can we talk about temp scoring? Because I bet a lot of listeners don't even know what that is and kind of like how that works. And I would love to just let them in on that little secret part of the process.

5:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, a lot of the time we'll get a film that's been edited and when the editor is working, they don't have our score yet. So they'll get some temporary music they can draw from anything that's ever been created, something

5:53 Luke F. Walton Cool.

5:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that kind of fits the vibe of what they're looking for. And it helps them kind of pace out their edits so that there's already some music or a tempo or something that they can go off of. And then we'll either use that to inform what we're going to make or sometimes we'll just.

6:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta ignore it and make something else that that feels more right to us but it's a starting point for the conversation like okay this kind of works from their perspective and then we take it from there sometimes it makes it it makes watching the entire cut the first time like a little easier but

6:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know it just depends like it depends if a movie is already cut in a great way and there's no music it's still it can still just be as you know entertaining of a watch but yeah it's all sorts of ways of doing it

6:41 Luke F. Walton Do you think... between the two you would put more music versus less music like say say for example you're getting a really well edited movie and it doesn't have tap music it's just you know just Foley and and dialogue do you think you would like work you would put less input into that versus something that's just full of tap score and and you'd be like oh I gotta I gotta throw underscore for like every scene or do you think that no cool that's cool

7:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, we do like a spotting sessions with the director when there is no stem score and like I feel like a lot of times we're all on the same page like

7:16 Luke F. Walton Nice.

7:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the score needs to be right. Yeah. I mean, if the thing works really well without music, then I think leaving more space is the answer there. If you don't need music and it's already working, then you're just overdoing it. If there's a bunch of temp in there and that's keeping it working, then you have to kind of make sure you also. Provide that same amount of music

7:38 Luke F. Walton yeah that's that's a good point yeah maybe you guys could talk a little bit about like music as pace you know like i know that people can picture like action drums like a chase scene or whatever but like you know on the other side like a simple drone or or like an atmospheric kind of pad or something like that that builds into a score can you talk about like some of the you know knobs and parameters kind of things that you would you would

8:00 Luke F. Walton use to create that feeling of momentum or pace or kind of your take on that yeah

8:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, there's all kinds of different ways to go about it. It's so infinite, which is kind of so exciting about it. But like you mentioned, there's adding a little tension and something that's not moving. It's just kind of a pad underneath that's kind of bubbling some sort of emotion.

8:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And then there's the choice to actually set a tempo of some sort of like something that's driving at a certain pace and sometimes you want the cuts to kind of land on the beat and sometimes you really don't want that at all.

8:36 Luke F. Walton Hmm.

8:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta But it's definitely a tool that can take something that might just seem like it's not moving forward and you can accelerate it by like an action drums or even just simple plucking or whatever it is that's.

8:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta moving it forward and a lot of times the edit will dictate that just like tell you that already like okay just the scene is being cut in a certain way where it's like there's obviously a rhythm obviously we need to have some sonata or something happening some movement happening throughout this

9:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh no dialogue is another you

9:11 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

9:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta don't want to have a lot going on during dialogue but

9:13 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

9:14 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i mean we're not really action composers you

9:17 Luke F. Walton Right.

9:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know in that sense but

9:18 Luke F. Walton Just give

9:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah

9:19 Luke F. Walton it an example of like the furthest end of that.

9:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we're we've done some we've done some thrillers before where we've had some like scenes that kind of like enter into that realm but like it's a lot of um i'd say even recently like it's a lot more or like a little more classical based drama

9:36 Luke F. Walton Oh, cool.

9:37 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta drama a lot of ambient kind of mixed between classical and ambient we have like a Euroramp set up with some like modular synths and stuff like that it's pretty cool

9:50 Luke F. Walton That's awesome. Yeah, let's zero in on the two of those terms that you threw out because I know like musicians that ostinato like, you know, awesome musical device. I would love to tell people kind of what that is.

10:02 Luke F. Walton is and then also how you know your accents can can play really well with ostinatos and and you know let's let's let people in on that uh that vocab word and broaden their minds so next time they're they're watching a film they listen and they can be like ah ostinato yeah

10:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta You have the dictionary. I mean, I think an ostinato is just a repeating pattern. I'm sure a Google search will get something more eloquent than that.

10:26 Luke F. Walton no no it's perfect

10:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Musical pattern that repeats. it's

10:29 Luke F. Walton Right.

10:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta just it's

10:30 Luke F. Walton What

10:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a hard to

10:30 Luke F. Walton is a good starting

10:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like yeah point for building around too, because it keeps you in keeps you in the on the road, you know, and you kind

10:37 Luke F. Walton I like that. I like that.

10:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like, you know, playing around little things on the way. Yeah,

10:43 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

10:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but it but yeah, Euro rack, obviously, like, I mean, you know, a sequencer is just basically that it accomplishes the same thing as a starting point. You know what I mean on the modular stuff does so much more but like, cool just to just to pop a pop a five-year-old sequence and see what happens sometimes no

11:01 Luke F. Walton Yeah, totally. Yeah, I love those kind of concepts of like musical nuclei, you know, those like little things that other stuff can orbit around or can provide, like you're saying, that rhythmic pulse, that do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka-do-ka, you know, that sequencer sound. And it allows you to add more of those atmospheric elements.

11:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah it's not even yeah it's like we use a lot of samples sampling too

11:25 Luke F. Walton Cool,

11:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta so we

11:25 Luke F. Walton cool.

11:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta have sampling modules that kind of mangle all these like you know these samples into ways that don't sound like synths but they sound like you know obviously it's being processed you know but in a rhythmic way that sometimes is really fun to build over too

11:42 Luke F. Walton Totally. That absolutely makes sense. Could you talk a little bit about your process? Because I know that you're saying you prefer to do, you know, played rather than sample library.

11:51 Luke F. Walton source audio and then how do you transform that um like what are some of the tools you might use what are some of the techniques cool

11:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I mean a lot of the stuff we've done recently it's a lot of it starts from piano where like Sean will come up with a piece throw it to me and then I pull out my shitty cello or sometimes I'll like do a mock like a mock orchestration with with a keyboard but i mean

12:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And it works. it's players that's just or or whatever i'll play it over yeah i mean it's a it's a that's generally the process like the the main goal is to like for it to sound real you

12:30 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

12:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know so

12:30 Luke F. Walton yeah.

12:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Perhaps their mics have to be involved.

12:34 Luke F. Walton Cool.

12:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Good

12:35 Luke F. Walton Yes.

12:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta luck. So we do love our tone, but I would add to that that there's no formula for us like that. It's, you know, a lot of the times I'll make a piece of it. And we were talking about the Eurorec. Sometimes we start from something kind of unexpected coming out of there and build around that. I like each scene involved its own need and there's an infinite number of ways.

13:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta number of ways to get there so we do try to mix it up and have different kinds of starting points and different ways to get to the result

13:07 Luke F. Walton Oh, I like that. How do you guys record? What's your, what's your preferred like DAW and logic?

13:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta logic

13:13 Luke F. Walton Nice.

13:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah it's just it's better for video video it's really easy and uh it might not sound quite as good as pro tools sometimes but we need to We got good shit. We got good computers to make it sound better.

13:29 Luke F. Walton no

13:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta We make up for it in the other equipment.

13:31 Luke F. Walton absolutely yeah any any difference between da out like output is this this big um

13:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, the CX more important.

13:39 Luke F. Walton right exactly

13:39 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Those

13:40 Luke F. Walton no it's the it's the process ah

13:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta little differences end up meaning a lot to us, though.

13:45 Luke F. Walton yeah that's

13:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta What

13:46 Luke F. Walton a good point

13:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a great place to make something sound 1% better,

13:48 Luke F. Walton yeah

13:48 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I would say.

13:49 Luke F. Walton that's great that's great i would love and i'd love to do you guys um do your own own like mixes and and stuff like that awesome mastering

13:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah mixing and mastering yourself yeah

13:59 Luke F. Walton as well cool nice

14:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we do our own mastering and we have a tape deck for it now too um

14:03 Luke F. Walton red very

14:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah we like controlling all of those aspects and like you're saying cool there's a lot of indie films that we've been on there isn't uh there's not like a budget to include somebody that's amazing at it to come do it better than us so we do it the best we can

14:20 Luke F. Walton and also it yeah like you're saying it allows you more control in terms of like what it's actually going to sound like sometimes i feel like people look at mixing engineers as like a panacea where in reality you're giving up quite a bit of your sound design yeah

14:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean if you do go that route I think it's important to at least give them a mix that represents

14:39 Luke F. Walton yeah

14:39 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta what you're trying to say and if they can clean it up or anything like that that's great too you know I mean that would probably be

14:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the route we take at some point down the line but for now it's it's just like kind of fun to learn and do it ourselves and get as good as we can at it yeah

14:55 Luke F. Walton for sure um let's go down the signal changes because i'm i'm a recording

14:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta okay all

15:00 Luke F. Walton engineer so i'm a nerd about all this stuff uh my my yeah my clocker what do you guys what do you guys like like drawing from yeah awesome

15:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta got a vintage u67 that we've bought uh vintage chef 221s that are used a lot for strings and piano acoustic guitar sometimes an old Neumann CMV 563 that

15:23 Luke F. Walton Nice.

15:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta just a great mic you know RCA RCA 77 it's pretty fun for guitar amps it's pretty great on that and also some shallow sometimes stuff like that

15:40 Luke F. Walton Cool.

15:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And we're the big guns. So

15:42 Luke F. Walton yeah

15:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I'm like, oh I don't know about Mike's other little

15:44 Luke F. Walton other ones for mike for drums oh of course yeah even like a 757 you can get a lot of mileage

15:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Oh,

15:50 Luke F. Walton out of stuff like yeah, that yeah

15:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we got tons of those.

15:52 Luke F. Walton right exactly that's perfect

15:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, that's the mic. The preamps are pretty extensive too. We have a cool some big telephone KV 72s that

16:06 Luke F. Walton oh

16:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we use

16:06 Luke F. Walton sweet that's awesome

16:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh four channels of the gordon model 5 it's like a very clean beautiful sounding preamp huge

16:15 Luke F. Walton Cool. I'm not familiar with them.

16:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta channel for cell sdp great clean preamp and then an old ampex like a 150 like a or 350 the ampex 350 with that giant six rack to you

16:31 Luke F. Walton Awesome.

16:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah

16:32 Luke F. Walton that's

16:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and

16:33 Luke F. Walton awesome and

16:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and

16:34 Luke F. Walton and and that that's fun too because now you have you have like the super colorful options you get the more transparent stuff depending on the character that you're looking to get out nice

16:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the Telefunken is kind of like it's very full range and it's very for a tube preamp it's very clean but it's just like incredible like you know just that's our that's our peak right there as far as previous mixture

16:56 Luke F. Walton that's awesome yeah i mean being able to get that the warmth out of those tubes but also reserve i mean like you're saying especially

17:02 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the frequency range and everything yeah

17:04 Luke F. Walton when you have like a really minimal arrangement it's like all that little stuff has gotta be tight you don't have a lot of places for it to hide cool

17:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but they all they all do their own thing and it's it's been cool to like learn that you know learn that place

17:20 Luke F. Walton do you do you like now i'm always curious with people that get really familiar with their gear do you have like a gut feeling it's like this preamp or do you like

17:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta oh

17:28 Luke F. Walton have you

17:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah like yeah

17:28 Luke F. Walton have a conversation or whatever you're just like like i know my gear this is the move for this one

17:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we know the characters of each one you right usually know what you're going for before you start yeah there was one session we did where we were recording bass and it was just like kind of hard So we just recorded it in both and I

17:46 Luke F. Walton Nice.

17:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta still switched back and forth between them. It's nice to have both because they're so different,

17:52 Luke F. Walton Right.

17:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know.

17:52 Luke F. Walton Yeah. I get that.

17:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And then yeah, a lot of other like we have like a Black Friday and I bought a vintage Poltec from Vintage King or some shit.

18:06 Luke F. Walton Vintage King. Cool. Right on.

18:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta You know, it's crazy shit, you

18:12 Luke F. Walton Totally.

18:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know, two tape machine What you should but I mean if we were in that room we could have we could have we

18:19 Luke F. Walton yeah

18:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta all look like a bunch of in the other room we could have had him here this is like a piano room in the meeting room yeah

18:25 Luke F. Walton most people are going to listen to this this is a video podcast but like spotify just added that where you can like turn your phone and you can watch it on video most people still listen to it so um they'll just take our word for it but yeah having all that gear that does it gives you those different

18:42 Luke F. Walton different options for for color for vibe do you guys play with kind of like era as well like oh we I want this to feel more like 60s or 70s or modern or a mix like do you guys use that as a as a device or is it mostly

18:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Not

18:59 Luke F. Walton in the quite notes

18:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta as much because I say we we tend to record like I don't even know, like film music is like a different kind of, yeah, Yeah, we haven't done anything that we're like purposefully

19:11 Luke F. Walton like

19:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta trying to

19:12 Luke F. Walton a

19:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta make,

19:12 Luke F. Walton period

19:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah,

19:12 Luke F. Walton piece kind of.

19:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like sound 50s or 60s.

19:16 Luke F. Walton Right.

19:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta We just find that stuff from that era tends to sound better to our sensibilities. And it's really just about getting the highest fidelity, best warmest instrument in like mid frequencies. And so it's less about time period and more just about. the best possible sound you can get okay

19:34 Luke F. Walton Cool. That makes sense. Yeah. Cherry picking across, unless you're doing like a period piece or something, but I understand like that. Yeah. One day for sure. For sure. Yeah. You rent out capital and make it happen. Yeah. In terms of like, like mixing and and checking stuff, how do you.

19:53 Luke F. Walton How do you like, what kind of reference monitors or do you check it in different settings? Because like film, you know, everything from a big proper theater to your iPhone, it's like a huge range of experience in the medium. How do you guys check your miscues

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I

20:10 Luke F. Walton when

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta mean,

20:10 Luke F. Walton you're

20:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta our doing? monitors are good. They're great monitors. We use PSI 821 and Chinas EA17s. and they're amazing monitors but when it comes down to like really mixing for a movie theater you really just soundstage it's

20:27 Luke F. Walton Mmm. Cool.

20:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like i mean

20:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

20:29 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we've done we've actually we've done a 5-1 mix my

20:33 Luke F. Walton Sweet.

20:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta tiny little 10 10 room which is hilarious because i don't really i mean it helped to have the speakers there but you know it's like a It's not exactly the most accurate representation for a theater.

20:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah i would say that like in in the beginning when we were learning the process more we did a lot more like let's bounce this and check it in the car on those speakers let's hear it out of your cell and we still do some of that but i think we've started to learn if it sounds this way on the speakers that it's going to translate as good as it can everywhere else usually translates pretty well

21:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah.

21:11 Luke F. Walton yeah i agree no i mean especially like when you're learning new speakers or learning a new room that's when i'm most anxious but yeah like when you when you get it you get it you know like it sounds out like this here it'll sound like that there you can kind of like that you know they have those um

21:25 Luke F. Walton sonar works i think i think they're the ones that do it but it's like they they change the um Oh, frequency

21:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah.

21:30 Luke F. Walton pattern of your headphones to be like i'm in a new place yeah

21:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. Yeah. You can have like little crappy speakers too. A lot of people do that.

21:37 Luke F. Walton for sure yeah uh luke uh moment from a great good fine okay he was he loves like these like really crappy computer speaker things that he found in a dumpster um

21:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta It makes great mixes.

21:51 Luke F. Walton he does He does.

21:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Great.

21:54 Luke F. Walton So it does work. Yeah. That's awesome. In terms of you guys' musical journey, I'd love to just kind of follow that a little bit. And I want to mostly learn how the two of you connected and started working together and building a partnership. But I'd like to first start with what got you into music? What lured you in? What hooked you? And I'd love to ask both of you that question.

22:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I guess I'll go first on that.

22:19 Luke F. Walton Cool.

22:21 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I started playing the piano because I was too young for the basketball league.

22:26 Luke F. Walton Nice, no way.

22:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, my friend was like, oh, I'm going to do piano. And it's like two students, I need a partner. It was not on my radar. But I really liked it right away. I really got into it. right away I started making my own songs I was always better

22:41 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

22:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta at like making something and playing that rather than learning stuff at an early age and then when I was so seven then and then at 11 I met a mentor Richard who asked me to join a band that he was putting together and it was really like looking up to him and everything that he taught me that like

23:03 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta dragged me further in it was at that point that I was like okay this is like a career this is something I want to do and I've just gone further further down the rabbit hole the more I listen the more I learn how to play the more I've experienced the more I love it so just each stage across the journey has drawn me into it more and

23:23 Luke F. Walton Love that. That's really cool.

23:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I guess I started kind of later but you know it was like when I was around 12 or something um but I was always I mean I was always I always loved music I mean especially it's like a kind of a full circle thing because like I always loved movie music like it was I remember when I was like full like whenever Jurassic Park came out that was like my that was like my jam my soundtrack me and my brother would like

23:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta put on these John Williams cues and like act out the scenes like

23:55 Luke F. Walton Yes.

23:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Super Musical Cue or like I would like mash the scene and like especially that opening like scene where the guy gets eaten by the raptor in the cage and we're like you know following the score and like getting ripped into the you know like it's just like it's always funny yeah just a funny like uh that's kind of it's always like my my story for origin story

24:17 Luke F. Walton My origin,

24:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta um

24:18 Luke F. Walton yeah, your origin story,

24:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but

24:19 Luke F. Walton yeah.

24:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta then it was like a lot of no no nothing no music and my like my dad didn't play anything he was terrible musically but he like started buying these guitars just to like have them and it was like

24:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it was cool i mean we'd go to the store and i'd go buy a guitar you'd put it up in the living room you wouldn't play it or if you did it was sounding horrible and it just sit there and then my mom got like an electric piano just to kind of like take piano lessons which and i just kind of just started playing and a lot of like another thing like a lot of movie themes like i was like teaching myself like the Oh, theme to cool. like i

24:56 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

24:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta forgot

24:56 Luke F. Walton yeah.

24:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta whatever it

24:57 Luke F. Walton For sure,

24:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta was like

24:57 Luke F. Walton for

24:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta hilarious

24:57 Luke F. Walton sure.

24:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but like you know just like that she's like oh you should take piano lessons I took piano lessons for like a few months and then I picked up my dad's guitar and I started like playing the guitar like with my thumb it was like this like weird thing that I was doing and then I was like oh I want to take guitar lessons so I started taking guitar lessons got into like heavy

25:14 Luke F. Walton what did the teacher

25:15 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that

25:15 Luke F. Walton say when you show up and you're like rocking the thumb with your

25:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta was rocking the thumb I can't do it anymore but that was my that was my thing at first I didn't know what I was doing but

25:23 Luke F. Walton that's cool yeah

25:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like yeah I got into like heavy metal like Metallica

25:27 Luke F. Walton Yeah, absolutely.

25:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's like a pretty standard guitar player to work in a story.

25:32 Luke F. Walton Agreed.

25:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Then I started getting into jazz, went to UM for jazz guitar, met Sean, and yeah.

25:41 Luke F. Walton How'd you guys meet?

25:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Oh, yeah, just at school. Just Yeah, at school. we were just the same year at UM. We were both jazz instrumental. uh majors so

25:52 Luke F. Walton nice

25:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta before you become friends right away we were assigned to the same group right in the beginning to uh it's a weird weird group it was a really weird uncomfortable yeah

26:02 Luke F. Walton there's like a combo thing or like what was what was it like

26:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's like a little like rhythm section and we have like some weird assignment uh that

26:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know it was a tough situation and

26:12 Luke F. Walton Wow.

26:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we had like so much fun doing it and like the result of it uh felt really good like it came out well and

26:19 Luke F. Walton we're Yeah,

26:19 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like yeah we realized right away like okay there's there's something here to this collaboration maybe so and then the actual so then another you know we graduate whatever we're still friends and uh i'm looking to rent a house

26:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta in south miami like which is like where around where sean lived i've been to his i was at his house before i kind of knew where it was but i go to this house and i'm like checking it out like it's cool house i go in the backyard and i noticed it's his backyard like

26:48 Luke F. Walton What?

26:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you're behind it

26:51 Luke F. Walton For

26:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and i'm

26:51 Luke F. Walton real?

26:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like sean i'm in your fucking backyard like we're

26:55 Luke F. Walton How

26:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta about to

26:55 Luke F. Walton serendipitous.

26:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah so

26:56 Luke F. Walton That's crazy.

26:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i started renting with some friends and i mean i've been living i eventually bought the house

27:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, you know like bought a the car. like a couple years after that or a year after that we started working together on like some commercial music stuff and then um we got like a it was like through like an editing agency we we linked up with some directors that were doing their first feature and we just dove in you know

27:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta kind of out of nowhere there and it got into south by southwest and like it was kind of like a good starting point in the for the film scoring uh you know direction and we've just been kind of like riding that since

27:37 Luke F. Walton that's awesome so how does that work like so you score your first film you guys are working together you have this serendipitous like reunion in each other's backyards that's a great story and then you score this film and now you're gonna go south by

27:53 Luke F. Walton i do you like how do you get notified like hey you're like gonna be in the festival do you guys like make plans like you're gonna go out and and hang out and like network or like what what's your next step like how do you react where do you go from there

28:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, our director and producer called us and told us and they were excited and they're like, you know. uh yeah you guys should come they got us badges to

28:15 Luke F. Walton nice

28:15 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like whatever we wanted because you know it didn't pay much they're like we'll just give you this you know and uh we just had a fucking blast there i mean it's not probably the greatest place ever one

28:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta fun of the most fun place yeah you can go to for sure

28:27 Luke F. Walton did you guys drive drive out there fly out there what'd you guys do

28:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah we've

28:31 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

28:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta flown out there and rented a house and we've stayed all the way through the film thing and then into like the music week that's

28:40 Luke F. Walton Nice. That's awesome.

28:40 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta our favorite festival because it has like our whole music component to it that was a blast you know we try to go every time there's a good festival we try to make it out

28:52 Luke F. Walton That's awesome. Did you guys feel like, you know, being part of that energy? Did you meet new people? Did that help lead to the next gig? Like, how does that, like, I'm always curious how that like momentum starts to build and you kind of like chain one gig into another gig and then you have a career? Like, how did that how did that kind of next step go for you?

29:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah we met ahead it's it's very intentional the way we've gotten gigs and like i spend a lot of time working on that side of things i think

29:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta a lot of composer careers just die because nobody's heard of you and like if you don't take some steps at that point to like connect with people then nothing's gonna happen so um yeah

29:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we did meet somebody at south by that led to another their film uh

29:35 Luke F. Walton Cool.

29:35 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta one of the stars in the film that we were there for ended up making her own film uh

29:40 Luke F. Walton Perfect.

29:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and we got to score that too um

29:42 Luke F. Walton Sweet.

29:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know i i try not to network in that

29:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

29:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta sense i'm like we're here and here's our you

29:49 Luke F. Walton Exactly.

29:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know uh but yeah naturally at a at a film festival you're meeting cool people that have earned their way into the festival and um yeah sometimes things will come of that

30:01 Luke F. Walton no i mean i agree i feel like the best way to network is just to actually make friends you

30:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah get out of that and

30:07 Luke F. Walton know like instead of like looking at other people like what can i get out of this you

30:11 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta feel that the guy that's like there just that

30:13 Luke F. Walton can't

30:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's

30:14 Luke F. Walton you can tell

30:14 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like an uncomfortable feeling it's

30:16 Luke F. Walton yeah yes i

30:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta weird yeah

30:20 Luke F. Walton agree um in terms of you know kind of what what are you guys excited about like right now like what what are what are you working on what are some of the things that you know are like challenges that either you're working on right now or you you really want to tackle uh coming up like is there any style of music is there any style of film that you're like man i really want to do that or something you're working on right now though i'm so hyped to be a part of this

30:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, there's a little bit of all of that going

30:47 Luke F. Walton Cool.

30:48 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta on.

30:48 Luke F. Walton Hit me, hit me.

30:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. So right now we're in a weird place in film industries. There's

30:53 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

30:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta strikes

30:54 Luke F. Walton right.

30:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and like, so there's not a lot of things happening right now. And so we're not on a bunch of films. We are working on a short coming up soon.

31:03 Luke F. Walton Nice.

31:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's going to be really awesome. I've been talking to the director and she's got some great ideas. So there's some excitement for that. Uh,

31:11 Luke F. Walton Mm.

31:12 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta one of the projects that we're taking on in the meantime is building a standalone studio in

31:17 Luke F. Walton Cool.

31:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta between our adjacent houses. We're going to make a building. Um, I got a blueprint here for whoever's watching visually,

31:25 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

31:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but yeah,

31:26 Luke F. Walton Oh, that's so cool.

31:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we're working on, you know, a whole control room and

31:30 Luke F. Walton Yes.

31:30 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta drums and the whole thing and like, uh, elevating our game to like really be able to do things properly to be. able to work around the clock to be able to keep the ac on to be able to have

31:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. more people in the room with us like you know getting out of the home studio and getting into the backyard home studio and it's still building so that's been a huge project um i was also mentioning some project that we were working on from the script stage and super excited about that film because the script is amazing and the team that's working on that is you

32:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta incredible we got to write some music for it already and I think that's going to be you know one of our favorite films that we get the chance to work on when it finally comes to fruition yeah there's a lot of writer strike stuff kind of holding it back right now but sure

32:23 Luke F. Walton For sure.

32:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So

32:24 Luke F. Walton There we

32:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah,

32:25 Luke F. Walton go.

32:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I think stylistically, we've kind of honed in on this like kind of neoclassical thing that mixes some classical music, some ambient music that's kind of our favorite these days.

32:37 Luke F. Walton Cool.

32:38 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta One thing that really excites us for the future is to do some more like larger ensemble writing where we get to, you know, use a real orchestra, get to record with choirs. kind

32:50 Luke F. Walton Yes.

32:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta of like collaboration with other musicians and bringing more people into the mix is something that excites me about the future like getting into some of the bigger films that allow us the opportunity to work with more people and people that we admire what they can do.

33:09 Luke F. Walton uh and feel free to say no i'm just curious your take you don't have to go down here if you don't want to um

33:14 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta okay i

33:15 Luke F. Walton i would love to learn more about the writer's strike from the composer's perspective but at the same time i don't want to uh to you know make it so that you guys have to speak to publicly on on anything if you don't want to speak publicly on it

33:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta mean we don't we don't think we're gonna say anything new honestly

33:30 Luke F. Walton yeah i know that's sure yeah

33:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we support uh the actors

33:33 Luke F. Walton for

33:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta and

33:33 Luke F. Walton sure

33:33 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the writers like people are People are setting themselves up to make a living and to be able to do their art more fully and have all this stuff sorted out so that they're not struggling. So I mean, that whole thing, I mean, it all even can... relates to music in a sense

33:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta because Yeah. a lot of the things that they're striking about you know involve ai and you know things like that which is a is a threat to potentially to composers you know too so it's a it's something that it's a cool technology that needs to be figured out as far as how it works you know legally all that stuff

34:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta right yeah and like especially when you can have an ai that's like hey give me art that's like this person it's like yeah i trained on that person it's like is that

34:25 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta But you can't. cool Doesn't really make its own person. no there's always going to be the need for people to do things so uh i don't concern myself too much with what ai is going to do but as far as the strikes go i think it's probably really needed right now for these things to all get figured out and i'm just hoping they come to some sort of agreement soon that everybody's cool with so that we can go back to making uh great things so and i think the circumstances need to be arranged so everybody can do

35:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta They can do their best work. yeah i agree with that it's a really good point um that yeah the ai stuff is is a is weird it's weird i think it's a it's a strange thing for all of us to grapple with yeah it can be fun have you guys have you guys played with any of it or

35:17 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I mean, you know, just the little picture Yeah. made a weird shirt with some words thing.

35:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. i've done some like music generation like in a ai tool where it's like putting some descriptors and it popped up some horrible thing uh and i've listened to like some examples i don't think the technology is just not there yet but it's gonna move so quickly and and i have seen some examples of like oh okay well this is legitimate So I would say

35:45 Luke F. Walton yeah totally yeah the the best thing that i've seen so far is like sorting like it's like here's your sample library like find me something that's kind of like this and it's like yeah here's a snare drum that's pretty close like oh yeah thanks that's

35:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's

35:56 Luke F. Walton me not thinking

35:56 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta right super useful. Yeah,

35:58 Luke F. Walton yeah

35:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta there's all kinds of applications where these can be tools that we use to move faster and get things done better. So hopefully that's where we go instead of getting replaced by robots.

36:09 Luke F. Walton exactly and i think that's like the mindset mindset shift of technologists versus artists is like hey like guys like focus on making the tool like not necessarily like remaking the artist but i think there's a there's a little bit of arrogance involved on behalf of some of these tech ceos um yeah

36:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I mean, you can definitely, I mean, and also these studios like they're totally take advantage of people with that technology. So there's really no chance on hashing out, you know, yeah, yeah,

36:41 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah totally you're selling your likeness for in perpetuity for 200 bucks that's uh that's pretty that's pretty rough

36:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah, they need to figure that out before that happens. I think I was just, it was like that story about the, you know, Power Rangers.

36:58 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta remember the guy that was in the that big face that comes up you ever watch power rangers

37:03 Luke F. Walton I did. I did watch Power

37:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i

37:04 Luke F. Walton Rangers.

37:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta can't

37:04 Luke F. Walton I'm trying to remember what the guy's name is.

37:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the word or something like the

37:07 Luke F. Walton thing I'm not going to come up with the name.

37:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta i don't remember his name but he's like the it's just like a project his face and like they pay he's in every episode like talking to these power rangers he's like the the leader right and they paid the guy 150 dollars one time to use his face and then they would just like insert dialogue into his mouth like doing different mouth and he got paid 150 dollars total for the entire show

37:32 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta oh it's my god it's it's wild it's crazy yeah

37:36 Luke F. Walton wow no totally i mean like i feel like if the voice actor for siri knew what she was getting into she'd probably be retired

37:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah so

37:46 Luke F. Walton yeah Yeah.

37:47 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So, yeah.

37:48 Luke F. Walton Anyway, yeah. Anyway, the home recorder air conditioning thing is so real.

37:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like Yeah. i don't know i don't know if listeners know but the whole like you have the air conditioning in the same room as the microphones you gotta turn that thing off boil while you do your take and then turn it back on yeah

38:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, we're in Miami too. So it's 100 degrees outside and it turns into a sauna real quick. So one of our motivations, one of our many motivations is to have a studio where you insulate and do all the proper things that the AC can remain on and silent. and yeah keep this cool and

38:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That'll be huge. And also dehumidified. That's not a bad thing either. yeah for all the instruments sake as well

38:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta For sure. Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, do you guys find that in your heat and humidity you have to tune up more or like you get the piano without the front on or are you guys having to make adjustments and stuff in

38:48 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta piano needs to be tuned in the seasons all season? the time yeah every time the season changes yeah well we only have two seasons but uh you know those two seasons that hot and cold needs to be tuned in between that hot and like mild i forget yeah Yeah,

39:04 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

39:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta when you're

39:05 Luke F. Walton Right.

39:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta gigging and you're going outside, then all the guitar players, when you have outside gigs, are constantly tuning probably more than if we were in California or something.

39:19 Luke F. Walton Yeah, that's interesting. Do you guys have any like takes on where the kind of music industry is at right now or kind of where creativity is at? Just curious on like how you've, you know, as you've grown your careers, has your perspective changed or kind of like the way that you look at any of these things, has that evolved or coalesced, manifested?

39:42 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. I, you know, I'm grateful to keep learning about the music industry. It's such a big animal. There's so many sides of it. And there's so many different ways that people are earning money through music now.

39:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta So I've been really grateful to meet people that can teach me about all the various things and so more than like shaping an opinion on it i'm just learning about the ins and outs and how many different things are going on um

40:07 Luke F. Walton Cool.

40:08 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta learning to adapt yeah

40:10 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

40:10 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta trying to adapt and trying to be valuable uh now you know um but i think creativity is is more alive than ever i think um because there are more tools available to more people uh maybe we've sorted out

40:26 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh in just a society to be able to allow people to explore their creativity i think and we have more people than we've ever had before creativity

40:33 Luke F. Walton Uh-huh.

40:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta is at an all-time high in my opinion Now there's a lot of great shit out there. Sure. Or people are making good stuff. I mean, I don't know. I'm not speaking for the pot, like pop music or just like a film.

40:49 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

40:49 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Like there's a lot of great scores that have been coming out. Oh yeah.

40:52 Luke F. Walton That's

40:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta A

40:53 Luke F. Walton great.

40:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta lot of great films. It's an awesome time for, well, maybe not right now with the strike

40:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah.

40:57 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

40:57 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta going on before that,

40:58 Luke F. Walton I understand.

40:59 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta but there's never in history have there been so many productions, so much Right.

41:03 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta money Shows poured into that TV shows right now are like they're kind of like the king.

41:09 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

41:09 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. it's yeah. like a renaissance of like. big companies pouring in billions to make shows so it's

41:16 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Mm hmm. a cool time Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I appreciate the optimism because I've talked to some other people that are in your field. I'm usually older folks. And, you know, they've got the whole it's not the way it used to be kind of feeling. And I understand that. Yeah,

41:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta we've I understand. been to some we've been to some gatherings and like because we go to LA every once in a while it's kind of so what's up and uh we've gone to a few gatherings where like you get like a group of film composers together and it's just like it's it's kind of a weird vibe like because you got you have some bitter bitter people there you know like that are that are just mad that they're not

41:54 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta working Mm-hmm. or whatever and it's like yeah sure there was that's like let's go back to Miami yeah we'll just

42:00 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah. it's

42:00 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.

42:02 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's easy to fall into pessimism and it's easy to compare you know uh in the 90s what you'd get paid to do something to now it's totally different or the the era of being able to sell CDs for some people and um it's easy to

42:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh resist change and to be upset about it but it's not productive i think optimism is very productive it's probably easier for us to say that too because we never really we weren't making that kind of money maybe for sure on the advertising music side we we hear that all the time we're like yeah we're not like these commercials don't pay anywhere near what they used to pay for for advertising music and it's like that's not our goals we're not we're not trying to make music size music but you gotta make money

42:46 Luke F. Walton Hmm?

42:46 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And, you know, we're happy to make, you know, some

42:51 Luke F. Walton Nice.

42:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta thousands. Let's go.

42:53 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

42:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta There it is, you

42:53 Luke F. Walton let's

42:53 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta know.

42:53 Luke F. Walton go.

42:55 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta And they're like, I used to get 30 grand easy for a commercial. And I was like, oh, you can't be that.

43:05 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right.

43:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta That's what we're used to. You know, we're used to what we're used to, you know.

43:09 Luke F. Walton But I also think it speaks to you guys have a certain sense of like optimism and joy that you're bringing to what you're doing. Like I can tell that you genuinely love it. And I think that that's, I don't know, that's kind of like a nice little shield when you get into those environments. You're like, I'm not that, I don't want to become that.

43:28 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah, I've been very conscious of that. I remember coming up as a younger musician and meeting a lot of people like that. I was like, oh my gosh, like, is that an inevitable part of this journey? And I don't think it needs to be. I think that if you're in that dark of a place, then it's time to look at other options because this isn't the career for becoming a billionaire.

43:51 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

43:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta It's a career that you do because you love it. And if you can sustain yourself and find a way to do it, then that's great.

43:59 Luke F. Walton Yes. Yeah, exactly. And with that, I actually, I want to move to our last question. So this show is called Love Music More. This goes into love music why. It's kind of like, why do you do what you do? Why did you sacrifice? Why did you go to school? Why do you not make the investment banker money, but instead turn on and off the AC?

44:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Yeah.

44:23 Luke F. Walton This is like basically if there's a 12-year-old listening to this right now.

44:27 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta right now somebody that's just like kind of plunking away at the keyboards what do you tell them like and they're like ah you know should i keep going is this is this a viable thing um but they love it like what would you tell your younger self like why why why do you do this like why did you choose this just curious

44:43 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta I don't think much has changed since, you know, in my perspective, like I've always seen music as just a way to transport.

44:50 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you know it takes it can take you places where you've never been before on this earth and like it's an adventure like i i see it i have a very adventurous spirit about it like i like walking into a room with all this shit everywhere not knowing what the hell's gonna happen and just throwing shit around and then watching something miraculously just manifest and not asking how or why you know it's like a nice

45:22 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's a nice feeling to kind of just like jump off a ledge and know that you're gonna get caught by something at some point you know and that's like the feeling that I that I get with music

45:37 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah I mean I would tell a 12 year old absolutely keep going of course to keep making music if you love it it's a privilege as a lifestyle to be able to to make your living by doing something that you love And I don't meet any investment bankers who feel passion towards investment banking. It's really just a means to get money and it's not a way to fulfill yourself, I think.

46:04 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Every single time I play every day, I'm getting a spiritual and emotional fulfillment from what I'm doing. And that's worth the sacrifice of turning the AC on and off and not making tons of money because you're living your life to what you value. And if you get to do that and you get to meet people and collaborate and make great relationships. It can be an amazing life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

46:35 Luke F. Walton I love that.

46:36 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah collaboration is a big big wonderful thing For sure. And that's definitely something that's led us into film, being able to collaborate with people,

46:44 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah a a lot and lot of people on one project and people who have expertise and things that we have no idea about. It's cool to meet.

46:51 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it's always great to like i mean a lot of these premieres we go to like it's the first time we meet a lot of these people and it's like just like how quickly this group of people come together and you're just like I don't

47:01 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Your bonded for know I just having feel bonded made this thing together so yeah Yeah, it's really

47:06 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta the community aspect of it is a big appeal as well for sure That's a really interesting point. I liked all of that the you know jumping off the ledge and knowing that you'll be caught

47:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta you the know the you know finding personal fulfillment and freedom and then also the community of yeah you're right i mean a film that's so many people doing so many different things but all integral to creating that great some greater than the parts kind of thing yeah

47:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah that's the i mean for films where i asked that's by far the greatest joy is like the finished film not how cool was our music you know

47:44 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta like that's fine like if it's cool it's cool if it ends up not being that crazy out of something that's cool too if the film is amazing because of it you know or it helps it make the make the film better you know so it's a it's a it's a less less selfish kind of endeavor music with regards regards to music which i like

48:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta does it feel does it feel similar to like when you guys play jazz together and you're like kind of bouncing off of each other is it is it

48:13 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah we kind of departed from jazz after a yeah small no no for sure have you guess made it's

48:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta that similar maybe it's similar to that first time we played yeah yeah okay cool cool yeah

48:24 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta in a way you know it's like yeah it's similar to playing in a in a band with somebody which we have a lot of experience with

48:31 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah where you bring something to it but it starts getting colored by everybody else's input by what they're doing But just has like a different dimension to it where they're bringing visuals or storytelling or writing or set design or coloring, all these different things that we don't have any expertise in and they're bringing a new dimension to the art. It's the most collaborative thing I've ever seen.

48:58 Luke F. Walton I love it. Well, thank you both so much for taking the time to talk with me and talk about music. This has been an absolute joy.

49:05 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta yeah for us too thanks for having us for sure um is there anywhere uh that you guys would recommend people kind of check you guys out like you know watch some of your films or is there is there anything that you'd prefer to point people towards instagram

49:18 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta oh yeah we have a film like yeah it's a good really great film on showtime right now that's streaming for free and check that out called poser

49:31 Luke F. Walton But is there anything else streaming? Is that the main thing?

49:34 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta uh that might be the only one you could find grasshoppers at a place and then amazon and then you could put either of our names into spotify and hear our last couple soundtracks that got

49:45 Luke F. Walton Awesome.

49:45 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta published make

49:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Well, I'll link to that for sure in the bio too so people can just tap and listen, check out the soundtrack.

49:52 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta it easy the

49:52 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I love it. And maybe pretend to kill some dinosaurs to whatever soundtrack it is.

49:59 Luke F. Walton dinosaurs are killing the people right okay yeah well thank you both so much i'm scuba duper you can check out my stuff at scuba duper.pizza subscribe five stars all the good stuff so thank you both so much for for joining and uh wish you both all the best in your careers and i'll be i'll be watching and listening thank

50:20 Adam Robl and Shawn Sutta Thank you very much. All right. Take care.