Joshoo Interview

0:35 Luke F. Walton What's good, everybody? It's Scoobert Doobert here. Welcome back to Love Music More. I am joined with Joshua, the man, the myth.

0:42 Luke F. Walton and uh josh is going to talk to us all about um his recent trip on the road with peter gabriel playing you know things like Madison Square Garden like living that dream and then also as an artist and producer and engineer and all the different things that you do on so many different levels as a musician i'm so excited to talk to you about you know what is it like to be a modern musician to be touring to be doing your own project to be songwriter

1:09 Joshoo writer and then also like apple commercial and like there's so much that we can talk about i'm so stoked so welcome welcome to the podcast uh let's have a chat josh

1:18 Joshoo Yeah, thanks for having me, Scoob. Appreciate it. yeah so first of all uh spelling your your project name Joshoo um how can people like like find you listen to some some music if they want to just do that before the conversation love

1:29 Joshoo Yeah, sure. It's J-O-S-H-O-O on all the streaming services. Find me on Instagram. It's underscore Joshoo, TikTok, same thing.

1:42 Joshoo it find Yeah, find me. find him find him and maybe listen a little bit and then we'll well the world japan so um first of all i would love to talk about just kind of how you got started in music because i always think it's interesting like how did you get the bug when did it when did it began and then like when did you say okay i'm taking this seriously now and

2:01 Joshoo Yeah. it wasn't at the same time or was it was it kind of like a tiered process Let's see. So I started music.

2:12 Joshoo I'm just in school, California public schools. I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area, and

2:16 Joshoo Yeah I started playing the trumpet in fourth grade. We had elementary school band, which is huge, and we can...

2:28 Joshoo yeah that's that's like it was uh always kind of in and out when i was a kid like are we gonna keep elementary school band or is it not gonna stick

2:35 Joshoo what so what around elementary so what does an elementary school band look like is that like are we talking recorder or are we talking next level stuff oh

2:41 Joshoo so we did like the the one we did like the one year of recorder which i was terrible and so i

2:47 Joshoo really was it that's interesting was horrible i was horrible and so i like then like fourth grade rolled around nine years old and it was time to try choose an instrument

2:56 Joshoo and i remembered my experience with the recorder and all the buttons and i was like i'm no i'm gonna be no good at the saxophone i was like confident confident that it was just not gonna work so i saw the brass instruments with the the less buttons and i knew my dad was a trombone player um and back in in like high school and college and uh but i don't know something about the trumpet really called to me and

3:25 Joshoo And I chose the trumpet and it just so happened. I didn't know this before choosing it, but my godfather, who I grew up very close with and who's very close with my family, he was, he was like, oh, I'm a trumpet player. Like, like,

3:42 Joshoo No way. I didn't know, I didn't know that growing up. He's like, I'm a trumpet player and he's like, I'll, I'll give you lessons. And, and he's kind of like.

3:52 Joshoo he like he was a very successful professional musician actually in the in the 80s and he was a composer and arranger for tv and huge just hugely successful very short career in la um as a composer and then uh he hit his mid-30s and he had some health issues and he um and he just retired

4:23 Joshoo um just then and there and and now he uh spends a lot of time mentoring kids and so I was like kind of the first the first step into like I'm gonna I'm gonna take on this this mentorship thing and do it like really hard so I my experience is I jumped in just kind of like I like music and then all of a sudden I had really intense mentorship and then um and then the better I got the more I enjoyed it and

4:52 Joshoo Mm-hmm. I was just kind of playing in like my school band and stuff playing the trumpet you know just trying to be like first chair and everything and then I went to a jazz camp and like the San Francisco Bay Area is a really amazing place for um youth like jazz education there's like a lot of like outlets for it and a lot of the Not only just like after school programs,

5:18 Joshoo but also like public school music teachers were very good, just like making very good programs. And so I went to this jazz thing when I was maybe 11 or something and I was introduced to Miles Davis and also like met all these other kids who were into music and it was like.

5:40 Joshoo this combination of factors of wow I really love this music like I listened to this Miles Davis CD like like all my other friends were listening to like um scene stuff you know like uh goth goth kind of stuff and then I got I got like into like all this music from the 40s 50s and 60s and that was like my my my rebellious music you know

6:04 Joshoo yeah well at that time too it was rebellious right like i feel like people forget the ethos of what jazz was before it became like institutionalized is that it was a it was a very rebellious art form a very emotive and different like

6:19 Joshoo hugely so and like and i think i think as like a a young teenager connecting to music for the first time i think that's why all this really emotional like people think of teenagers being obsessed with like metallica or like or like you know emo stuff or like it's just all really emotive music

6:45 Joshoo Yeah. you know Yeah. and and i think and i i just found that with jazz and combine that with like a really big community like local community of um of kids you know kids who are like learning how to play these instruments and getting really good and then wanting to get together and jam and then i started um meeting kids from like all over the san francisco barrier who were into this thing so i was like

7:16 Joshoo travel I was you know getting on the train and traveling to like different places and I was going to San Francisco I was going to Berkeley I was going to Oakland and I was like oh my god like this is like this is like my thing you know and I like um and so yeah I'm just getting better and better and getting more and more obsessed and it was at that time that I was like yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna do this

7:40 Joshoo Yes. I love this. You know, I love this. This is my thing. I'm going to go to college for this. Like, so I kind of like got set on this, I want to be a professional musician path, like by like 12, 13.

7:56 Joshoo Dang, super early. Yeah, really early. And it was really just solidified by this mentorship that I had from my godfather and then he he being a former or yeah being a professional musician he had all these connections with all of these great you know amazing musicians so then I got not only his mentorship but he's connecting me with

8:27 Joshoo Mm-hmm. other you know like long-time studio you know musicians in LA or he connected me with Clark Terry who's like one of like the all-time jazz greats who was like I was 15 and he was in his 90s you know teaching me and like so as I was just having all these very like profound experiences around

8:54 Joshoo Yes. music and community just Yes. from a very young age you know in a way that really just kept snowballing my um my love for it so yeah that's kind of my early my earliest experiences with

9:09 Luke F. Walton So I've seen this going around social media and I wanted to ask you about it of people.

9:15 Joshoo It's like it's a joke, but people being like.

9:18 Joshoo i don't trust trumpets because there's not enough buttons for the amount of noise

9:23 Joshoo Yeah, I saw that, yeah. could you could you explain to people like i feel like you know everybody's heard trumpets everybody like loves like like they get the sound of it the timbre is so distinct but like how does it actually work for the layman like how how are you producing so many notes with only three buttons like you were saying the difference between the saxophone the saxophone like you get it you press a button and it makes a different note but like how

9:44 Joshoo Yeah. what's what's the that quote was the saxophone has no secrets right Yeah, yeah

9:49 Joshoo he goes, saxophone has no secrets. yeah so the trumpet at its very simplest is your uh you're blowing into a tube right a metal tube and like anybody any kid you've you've taken like a a roll of uh toilet paper you know or a roll like a paper towel roll yeah

10:12 Joshoo Yeah, yeah, yeah. you just make the sound like right and and the trumpet is kind of like that is kind of like that but

10:23 Joshoo Basically, by blowing into a metal mouthpiece, which is then blowing into a metal pipe, the

10:30 Joshoo Mm-hmm. air that you're pushing through creates vibrations. Yeah. Okay. So at its very basic, you're just blowing into metal and creating vibrations.

10:45 Joshoo Yes. the rest it gets very heady so like the three buttons um Mm-hmm. back in the day like we've all seen like pictures of like bugles like war bugles stuff like that where it's just like one big long tube right and you're just like you know exactly

11:07 Joshoo Renaissance vibes, yeah. and The king so is coming. yeah exactly and so um and it's kind of weird how there's there's like big jumps in between all those things on a bugle right you

11:20 Joshoo Right. always the picture is like and that's basically how this thing called the overtones series works on brass instruments where it's like um you only have a very specific number of notes that kind of come out and just like pop out and they're all kind of like uh

11:39 Joshoo big spaces away from each other and the way that a trumpet works is with those three buttons it's kind of like you're taking 12 of those long uh

11:56 Joshoo Yeah. bugles of Yeah. different lengths and Okay. smushing them into one instrument and like and the buttons the buttons allow you to switch between which of those long bugles that you're using at any point in time right

12:11 Joshoo That's a cool way to put it. I love that. I love that. and and it's really funny because like whenever

12:21 Joshoo I always say like whenever you get two guitar players in the room talking about guitar they get they just get really excited they just kind of get like they just start nerding out and they start talking about gear and talking about sounds and pedals and blah blah blah and then you get two trumpet players in a room and within 20 minutes it's an emotional conversation it's a real heart to heart because

12:43 Joshoo Cool. Yeah. it's so hard and it's Yeah, so heady like how do I get between you know how do

12:51 Joshoo uh I like and -huh the way that you're moving between the the ranges and the way that you're getting uh different notes out it's like all these very precise uses of like airspeed and like um how how am I using how uh much

13:12 Joshoo pressure is on the lips and the mouthpiece you know like what sort of uh you know quality of air am I using am I using my air from my lungs or pushing down deep from my diaphragm it's all these very like uh physical but also kind of heady concepts that you can't just like pluck a string on a guitar or hit the note on a piano you know so

13:39 Joshoo less like externalized like like like yeah piano is like the most clear example of like an external linear it's it's there uh and then like eventually like piano gets more dynamics like early piano that like harpsichord or whatever is pretty much like the note you play is the note you play it's

14:00 Joshoo Yeah. gonna be loud there's no there's not a lot of variation there and so it's kind of like choose your notes but

14:07 Joshoo Yes. then versus like a i guess really any wind instrument in general i guess but something that is now like i'm taking my vocal cords and i'm like moving them to my lips or to a reed like i feel like that that feels more like a singer to me than some of the other instruments that are like manipulating

14:28 Joshoo Just like just like singing, you have to have a really strong concept of the note that you want to come out before it comes out.

14:36 Joshoo Yeah. Yeah. You have to like you have to know. okay this is the note that I'm going to come want to come out you

14:43 Joshoo Uh-huh. know just Yeah. be flat and then and then you do all the right things you get the right finger fingering together you hold the instrument how you want it to come out how you know how you know is the the most proper way to do it and then you do it you know like that note comes it's like a whole stepwise process that all starts with this kind of like

15:06 Joshoo uh knowledge and belief of what what you want the note to sound like before it even comes out to

15:13 Joshoo i like that yeah like a sculptor you know yeah right there's there's a different level of like intentionality and like on guitar a lot of times i will think in terms of like shapes or like you know like sometimes like i will be a lot of times obviously i think about the notes but sometimes i'll be thinking about like superimposing

15:34 Joshoo interesting triad on another interesting triad or whatever and it's a little bit more like i'm just going to move this shape up and down and around to

15:41 Joshoo Yeah. create interest but it's it's a little bit it doesn't really require intentionality it's the same ish tension between different parts of the neck so i just keep hitting it yeah

15:52 Joshoo Yeah, exactly. yeah playing playing the trumpet is very it's a very physical experience like you you're

15:59 Joshoo yeah cool blowing the air and you're you're feeling all this air moving through your chest and then even like up through your head and um

16:08 Joshoo do you have the concept like of mix in the same way that you do with vocals um like

16:14 Joshoo like uh for example for you have chest voice you have head voice and you kind of have the transition from one to the next is there like a particular kind of like blend thing within

16:24 Joshoo There is. There is. Yeah. And but I kind of think about it like in. it's it's the same idea but I just think about it in partials where like this this group of notes you know in this small amount of space they all feel kind of similar and then and then you go up a you know you go up an interval and all of a sudden these five notes kind of feel similar um so there's like a big there's a big portion of the learning process that's like okay I've got

17:00 Joshoo this group of notes feeling pretty good i've got this group of notes feeling pretty good i've got this one but it's actually the hard part is figuring out how to transition smoothly between all those different you know the different registers so it doesn't sound like you're just going and then you kind of come down to your bubble you know like yeah

17:19 Joshoo Right. Exactly. Exactly. It doesn't sound like you're picking up different bugles.

17:24 Joshoo exactly yeah totally but yeah that's cool that's cool um so i'm i'm curious about uh i feel like the first time i met you you described yourself as like a flugelhorn player or something like that can you tell me

17:38 Joshoo yeah your passion for that instrument or kind of the differences um because i think a lot of people would see it and be like trumpets like i don't know i don't know if people really would understand the the nuance

17:49 Joshoo 100% yeah so the flugelhorn is an instrument that has had like a couple big moments in pop culture history

17:59 Joshoo Oh. and the biggest one is definitely Chuck Mangione from like the 80s he had like that hit song like feels so good right and and my mentor Clark Terry also back um much earlier like in the

18:16 Joshoo 50s and 60s he was like a very well-known more it's more for playing the flugelhorn than the trumpet but basically for all intents and purposes they they play exactly the same like they have the same three buttons they're very similar size but the flugelhorn just um because of its construction it has a mellower a mellower sound

18:40 Joshoo Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and the flugelhorn is just a trumpet was invented like the horn was like

18:59 Joshoo really popular at in like the turn of the 20th century like it was just like as a full nice sounding instrument but it's also at the time when

19:12 Joshoo like marching bands were starting to become a thing you know John Philip Sousa and stuff like that and so the trumpet was brought out because you could hear that you know this marching band is approaching you know a thousand yards away

19:28 Joshoo Uh and -huh. we needed an instrument that really projected and Yeah. so uh Yeah.

19:32 Joshoo that was that was the whole point of the trumpet it's like this thing can project so well um

19:37 Joshoo Yes. so there's just like this inherent kind of aggressive quality to the instrument that even you know like a lot of my favorite players they play it in a very gentle way but it is it's an aggressive instrument and the flugelhorn is just a knot it's just not it's

19:57 Joshoo oh just a beautiful yeah i beautiful tone and uh it feels like i keep talking about how the trumpet feels to play and it's it's just more

20:08 Joshoo think that of that makes a yeah sense especially because like i'm trying to get this across to people that have never played it or maybe don't even play music and so talking about the feeling i think is easier for people to grasp necessarily than the technicality so i appreciate it

20:21 Joshoo yeah yeah it's a the the experience of playing it is Yeah. less aggressive along with the tone you know i think i think you kind of like you like match the i think there's a thing of like if if somebody hands you Okay, I was in a studio one time

20:40 Joshoo Yeah, before yeah, yeah, I played guitar at all, and there was a Marshall Stack amp,

20:46 Joshoo yes, right, you know, right, like a big rock and roll amp from like the 60s, and somebody just hands me a guitar plugged into distortion and a Marshall Stack,

20:57 Joshoo yeah. and I just played one note on an open string and the whole room shook, right? And... and like the physical feeling of that is such like you know like oh my god like it's a it's a rush it's a it's like a head rush right and

21:15 Joshoo much is yeah um but to play an instrument like a flute or a flugelhorn is just something that's giving um giving such a mellow energy you I think you feel that in your body and you reflect it in your own energy,

21:35 Joshoo right? I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. i totally agree i think that that's that's a really cool comparison because i feel that a lot on guitars and it was really hard for me for a while to get used to um line in guitars because

21:47 Joshoo Yeah. i didn't have the same like feedback emotional feedback response as connecting with an amplifier i'm over that now that took me a while but like but in part because yeah you plug into like i've had the pleasure of playing some like decently sized arena kind of situations

22:03 Joshoo Yeah. with a big stack amp and it's like i'm not allowed to play certain chords anymore it's just

22:09 Joshoo Yeah. this is not in the bag it can't it it will sound like crap and i don't even want to because it's just that's not the thing so there's like a different it's like the the g chord um like taking away the third that's on the b string and and instead putting down the the d to add in another perfect fifth it's like that's the right move now it's

22:31 Joshoo Yeah. like i don't want this jangling third up here i want a fifth up at the top and i might not even play the third you know it's like like my g chord that like i might even just mute that string and now it is literally an open power chord it's

22:44 Joshoo Yeah. like that's just what i want it to be now it's like there's a reason why acdc sounds like acdc like

22:50 Joshoo Yep. that's where they were playing that's the gear they were using it's what comes out

22:56 Joshoo The idea was huge, right? yeah big giant in Yeah. a big place with a lot of people it's

23:02 Joshoo So many people. exactly and it creates a simplicity to the music and it creates a certain vocabulary that like and i like the the idea of who's in charge of that vocabulary is it the space is it the gear is it the person the answer is kind of like yes it's like it's like everybody's involved there

23:22 Joshoo 100% yeah And that's one of the reasons why I like listening to live records, because I think that it's fun to hear bands change and adapt based on venue.

23:32 Joshoo yeah I think a lot of musicians don't have a respect for how contextual music is or like especially a lot of musicians that maybe like come from where I where I came from like a very academic environment and then go out into the real world and play music and it's like oh this is music

24:01 Joshoo is a completely contextual beast like i'm i'm at this uh brewery right no one wants no one wants to hear my himalayan gong music that's just like you know that's just how it is and then i started playing some like acdc covers and it's like yeah you know just in just in the same way that like the a lot of that jazz that i grew up

24:28 Joshoo you know absolutely being obsessed with and loving i went to new york i'd go to new york for the first time as a teenager and go to these clubs and hear it in like these basements where it's supposed to be played and i was like oh my god this is it this is the thing right um yeah

24:44 Joshoo totally agree that's music is totally a product of the space and the gear and the people around right

24:53 Joshoo why i like the concept bedroom pop Mm-hmm. you know it's like a nice like it is appropriate evocative term for what the music sounds like in the way that it's recorded like

25:05 Joshoo Mm to -hmm. see the size and the scope and the dryness all these like little things that are just it's it's a nice it's a nice term for genre

25:15 Joshoo You said intimacy was the word you used, right? yeah yeah Yeah, yeah I agree, yeah.

25:20 Joshoo where it's like you can use reverb and there can be lush kind of dreamscape kind of things but fundamentally i think it's like small room sounds dry sounds with

25:33 Joshoo Yeah. flourishes and splashes of like the feeling of being like laying in your bed daydreaming or something you know and

25:41 Joshoo 100%. Yeah. i'm curious um how did you how'd you go from jazz into the genre that you make as your own your own name like how did that transition happen

25:52 Joshoo So, great question. So I was, like I was saying, when I was a teenager, I was set to a jazz position.

26:05 Joshoo And then I'm ending, I'm starting to like come to my last couple years of high school and I would say that love of jazz just got me more primed for being presented. i'm saying like air quotes like interesting music like music that uh

26:25 Joshoo Yeah, yeah, challenged my challenged my preconceived notions of what music is so um so my last couple years in high school it went from obsessed with jazz to like all of a sudden people were like oh this kid loves music let's just give him whatever

26:42 Joshoo cool we think is the coolest most interesting music right so all of a sudden i'm listening to uh james blake who had just just started popping off at that point i'm listening to uh d'angelo like voodoo is you know super famous record i'm listening to um kind of the underground beat scene was just starting to happen so all of a sudden i'm listening to d'angelo and a lot of it i mean sorry flying lotus and

27:10 Joshoo Yeah, thunder cat yeah all like like this southern california kind of like underground hip-hop shit and then Yeah, all this like and then and then stuff from the from the past as well like earth wind and fire

27:27 Joshoo uh-huh uh power -huh that's power all these like you know i'm a trumpet player so all these horn

27:31 Joshoo great yeah bands from like the 70s and 80s and like that was the stuff that um my parents you

27:38 Joshoo yes exactly know grew up on and i was musician right so they're introducing me to that and i actually started studying like um the original trumpet player in tower power as a teenager and then he rejoined the band and I started playing with them in

27:54 Joshoo Cool. high school so Amazing. by the time I was finishing high school I was I'd gone from like I want to be the next big I want to I want to be a jazz musician in New York playing these clubs right

28:11 Joshoo Yeah. and then I was opposite I was finding like Okay, there's a lot, I'm inspired by a lot more stuff than just this. And so I was starting to see people that had careers like this. My idols, this guy named Roy Hargrove, which a lot of musicians, you know, love and respect. He passed away pretty young, maybe

28:36 Joshoo He did. five years ago, but he's just this iconic guy who had, as a trumpet player,

28:43 Joshoo he was as a trumpet player and he was, yeah,

28:46 Luke F. Walton Ranger.

28:48 Joshoo at a ranger and he was making this huge impact in big records like the D'Angelo records, but also with John Mayer or later in his life with the 1975 and Erykah Badu, you know, just all these.

29:00 Joshoo like genre had no limit and then also he'd then he'd go off and play like a jazz a jazz tour you know with a with a acoustic quartet you know in Europe and I was like wow what a cool career you know that's so cool I

29:16 Luke F. Walton Absolutely. Yes.

29:17 Joshoo was like what like what an inspiring vision you know like um and so then I went off to college and And then I started playing in this kind of like rock jam band in college and

29:36 Luke F. Walton Yeah

29:36 Joshoo we started even in college we started touring just locally and then a little less locally in the end of college we started we got an agent and we were touring full time. So. That was my first experience in professional touring.

30:02 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah

30:05 Joshoo And I was getting more involved in the writing. I had always been like a writer and I was writing. I was doing, in college, I was a film composition major. So I was like writing music for like.

30:20 Joshoo documentaries and like little short movies and stuff like that and I was also doing all my jazz kind of stuff and but then I started um

30:32 Joshoo you know being really heavy in this rock band and then also all the records that I started listening to it stopped being so much instrumental music and then all of a sudden I was listening to

30:43 Joshoo like in I like I discovered like indie music late you know I was like probably 20 22 and then I was obsessed with all this indie stuff and then I was like okay and then I started listening to like indie electronic kind of stuff and it was like like I think the the main thing is I was always keeping my ears open just like I'm just out

31:08 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

31:08 Joshoo here looking for something that I think is inspiring and interesting and then right

31:12 Luke F. Walton Sabrina

31:12 Joshoo right in that way you know so um from from all that then I started I went out to LA a couple times and um I had started making music on my computer just like

31:29 Joshoo either for like this film kind of stuff or just like messing around like with sounds and you know like whoa

31:35 Luke F. Walton I Yeah,

31:36 Joshoo can't believe I can I can't believe I can do this with a you know like a MIDI keyboard and then and then uh I did a couple writing sessions with some friends in LA who are like pop producers and I was seeing them work and I was just like blown away with that lifestyle with that workflow and that sort of targeted creativity right

31:58 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Yeah, right.

31:59 Joshoo right we're gonna we're gonna write a song now and it's gonna be in this vibe and let's come up with the instrumentation together let's what are we writing about who is this character and it was just all all the parts of it were so exciting for me and and so and so clear in a way that

32:22 Joshoo I think a lot of a lot of the composition that I've been doing was just so just like pouring out pouring out from the heart you know just like very much like paintbrush just going crazy on a canvas and

32:40 Luke F. Walton Right.

32:41 Joshoo this was like wow this is so direct this is so like

32:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

32:48 Joshoo in a way that I think I don't know maybe you can comment on this but I think a lot of folks see people who they you know maybe are creative or like have whether they're musicians or painters or in whatever way and there's just this idea that they have their creativity and then all of a sudden

33:16 Joshoo they're making a thing and it just like makes sense right but I think there's this huge portion of time and your energy as a creative where you're just you're excited about making but you don't really know what you want to make

33:34 Luke F. Walton Totally.

33:34 Joshoo Right? So there's this experimental phase where you're doing all this different stuff and you're like, well, I tried drawing, but maybe now I'll try sculpture and see whatever of these things, these things fit, right?

33:47 Joshoo And I basically found the combination of production and songwriting and I was just like this, this, this hits. I want to do this.

34:04 Joshoo um so that's that was that was about five years ago and since then it's been like just like whoa okay now let's think about genre like what genre you know and I've kind of dabbled in a bunch of different genres uh I wasn't really singing before that but it was like well I'm

34:27 Joshoo Yeah. i i want to i want to make music that's song-based then it's like okay let's learn not only let's learn how to write songs but like let's learn how to sing like i don't even know do you know yeah so uh yeah still on the on the journey you know learning new things every day

34:47 Joshoo no i yeah the concept of like yeah exploration and i i still have those sessions where it's like what what kind of sounds can i make like using samplers like just it's like nonsense it's like not

34:58 Joshoo Mm i'm not-hmm, making a song here i'm just like trying to make a new weird sound that i've never heard before and then now it's kind of like in the bag or forget about it whatever it doesn't really matter it's like just the exploration kind of session those

35:11 Joshoo mm-hmm. i think that they're really valuable um and then on the exact opposite i think it's super valuable to be able to challenge yourself and then meet the challenge like i want to write a song that's at 122 beats per minute that feels like uh strutting down a boardwalk at like 70 degrees um and like you forgot your sunscreen like you know like just be like i want to hit that emotion i want to make something that puts it there and i also want it to like be good and fit my sensibility

35:39 Joshoo and Yeah. to be able to like do all that even if it like kind of misses the mark somewhat that is the exact opposite of just like a pure exploration um thing but they both have so much value and i think that the end listener really appreciates it when it's like oh man that song put me right there and it's like yeah intentionally that's what i was going for

35:57 Joshoo Exactly. yeah it works yep Exactly. And I think like having Having some of both in you is so key.

36:07 Joshoo It's so key. One feeds the other man. Like, yeah. And I think about it a lot with collaborators of mine or just peers, you know, friends who do a similar thing.

36:19 Joshoo There's this book that was really popular in the 70s called Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. And it's kind of like this pop philosophy book.

36:31 Joshoo One of the main themes that this guy is exploring in the book is he's trying to define quality and

36:40 Joshoo Okay. he goes kind of nuts trying to define it. But one of the methods that he uses to define it is he thinks about this scale and I think about this scale all the time.

36:55 Joshoo and on one side of the scale at least you are on each side of the scale is there's an archetype right and on one side of the scale there's the engineer and the engineer loves a thing or he he believes in the quality of thing the thing because he thinks it's a beautiful construction like he sees all the individual bits and

37:19 Joshoo Yeah. he can see how carefully and intentionally they are put together and how when they're put together they create a bigger uh more beautiful thing than they were before right and then on the on the other side of the scale is the the artist and the artist loves something because of the the novelty of the thing wow i've never seen something

37:50 Joshoo like this I've never seen something that makes me feel the way this does I think this is new I think this is fresh I think this is taking on a new look that may be a tired thing right and

38:05 Joshoo Yeah. and so I think every creative lives on some part of that that binary you know and and and people move in you know they shift too and

38:20 Joshoo uh but um and sometimes on a on a day-to-day basis like you were saying like with the exercise you know sometimes it's more important or helpful to be like okay I'm gonna be the engineer today I'm gonna make something that is good and fits fits the mold and is like super appropriate for this thing and then

38:47 Joshoo the next day it might be like wow that was that was really a lot on the brain i'm just

38:51 Joshoo Yeah. gonna find this synthesizer that i don't know how it works and i'm just gonna twist the knobs until something cool comes out you know yeah

39:01 Joshoo And there's the different goals of like, I'm trying to finish something. Is I'm trying to like find something.

39:13 Joshoo Mm-hmm. And both of them can have their own sort of like flow state, but their vocals

39:18 Joshoo Yeah. are very different. Like the engineer's flow state is you see 12 steps ahead. you

39:25 Joshoo Yeah. go i'm gonna eq this thing it's gonna run into this parallel compressor which is gonna hit this bus which will hit the master bus in this way and then if i turn up this percussion now all these things are gonna glue and i'm gonna you know do track spacer soothe or something like that to pull out some of these resonances and now it's all gonna work and then it's like hey sorry i can't talk to you for like 25 minutes i'm gonna do this thing that just all revealed itself to me that's very much engineer flow state and then you have like the creative flow state

39:53 Joshoo that's like i see how the arc the emotional arc can now like play out or like i can see the instrumentation and the way that it all starts talking to each other and like grows

40:07 Joshoo and it's not necessarily like i see all the notes or i see all the rhythms or i see the grid or whatever it's not even like quite that it's like more of a trance almost of just like a okay

40:17 Joshoo Yeah. that's a tune now now it's like shape it and mix it or whatever but um i think it's interesting they both have their own set of flow but they're very like contrasting different sorts of trance like whatever

40:31 Joshoo And I think that that flow state is. one of the most attractive parts of that. which because it's so hard to get it it's so hard to get it like we don't have like flow state rituals and stuff like that like i feel like human beings used to have that like the shamanic like

40:52 Joshoo part of your day-to-day or month-to-month is like you had you'd have like ritual like a thing that you do as a community and you'd bind each other together you'd go through this thing take you from one state to the next like we are very regimented and logical and do your nine-to-five you do your thing you commute you go and then music is like one of those only places that it's like perfectly acceptable to lock yourself in a room and just like explore colors and inside yourself

41:19 Joshoo for 12 hours and you come out you're like i haven't eaten all day but it's like you did it you did

41:25 Joshoo 100%. the mission right Yeah, exactly. What'd you do today? I smoked a lot of weed and I made some really good, I made some really good explorations, you know, like, okay,

41:36 Joshoo i cool. You, know man. You know, how old are you? Yep. i know right it's honestly it's like it's like the same thing as like i used to get that rush of like playing with my dinosaurs or whatever as a kid or like you know like coming up with stories and things like that it's like

41:53 Joshoo you can do you can scratch that same itch through music and it's at least somewhat more socially acceptable because people get to experience those results with you and maybe that's part of the charm of music is like people might lose some of that sense of like play and flow state and

42:08 Joshoo Oh, transfer and then music can kind of like give it back a little bit I think the phrase childlike curiosity is over said, but it is extremely real. And I think that is. like like you said just the biggest benefit of music

42:26 Joshoo uh yeah and art is like this uh this ability to bring that childlike attention yeah

42:34 Joshoo to your life not and not just hopefully not just in the moment where you're experiencing the thing but it carries on through

42:43 Joshoo right it gets baked in Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk to you too about the tour that you just got off of.

42:51 Joshoo Yeah. And then also because I feel like that dovetails really well in terms of like community experience and flow state, like live music and seeing what that does to people. Have you ever been on a tour of that size before? I certainly have not.

43:07 Joshoo No, no, I have not. It was the first time and it was really my first time. No, I actually, I feel like I skipped a level, really, like where all my touring in the past has been van tours and sprinter tours, like in the back of a Mercedes sprinter, right? And the next logical level up is tour bus, right? That's where your classic rock band or pop stars on tour,

43:37 Luke F. Walton I have done that, like playing

43:39 Joshoo yeah,

43:39 Luke F. Walton drums,

43:39 Joshoo yeah.

43:39 Luke F. Walton but I've never, yeah. It's next.

43:41 Joshoo And I've never done that, but then doing this, this was like, you're flying everywhere, you have a fancy hotel every night, you know, you're staying at the nicest hotel in town,

43:53 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

43:54 Joshoo you're

43:54 Luke F. Walton yeah.

43:54 Joshoo like, there's only three shows a week, so you're like, really, really relaxed. everything is taken care of you you know for you it's just very very uh

44:06 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah

44:07 Joshoo the accommodations and lifestyle is very cushy and then additionally like the production the size of the production is just like of a scale that i've never been a part of where it's i think there is so like it was a nine piece band and or eight piece band and him and

44:31 Joshoo And then I think we had 60 traveling crew and at least in Europe, I don't know what it was in the States, but it was like three tour buses and 12 trucks full of the staging and the lighting and the sound gear and stuff like that.

44:50 Luke F. Walton So with it on a tour of that scale, so yeah, you're setting up all of your own stuff pretty much everywhere you go, you're not using house.

44:58 Joshoo rigs or whatever it's pretty much all in those trucks Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the tour owns all of the stuff. And then, but when I walk out on stage, all of my instruments are already set up for me. There were five, just in the crew, there were five instrument techs, you know.

45:23 Joshoo yeah drum tech to guitar tech keyboard tech um and a guy who was doubling bass tech and and my tech you know so it's like it's really like and okay here's another example it's like before the tour started I got recruited to play some like secondary keyboard parts and

45:48 Joshoo Yeah I was I was sent over um and just yeah so I was playing I was playing keyboards I was playing trumpet I was playing French horn I was playing Eewee which is kind of like a wind controlled synth and I was singing background vocals and shake shaking some shaker you know um so I had I had a lot on my plate right so I was

46:13 Joshoo before the tour i was getting really like organized in my brain of like okay i need to you know and we were given too much we were given a lot of material we're given like somewhere between 35 and 50 songs and

46:28 Joshoo Oh my god. and we we ended up playing 23 or 25 you know for the tour but it was like oh my god i have a lot of i have a lot to learn and i and

46:41 Joshoo um I was also like the old I'm the first like horn player he's ever had in this band so it was like okay I have a lot to learn there's also not really defined stuff

46:53 Joshoo Yeah for me to do so there's a lot of me coming in being like this is what I think I should do

47:00 Luke F. Walton crazy it's

47:01 Joshoo Right.

47:01 Luke F. Walton like you're it's not just any old song it's like this peter gabriel it's like you know yeah let me just like add in some arrangement yeah

47:10 Joshoo Exactly. Exactly.

47:11 Luke F. Walton yeah

47:12 Joshoo And I was talking to the musical director before the tour and his advice was just come in strong through idea and if it's too much, we'll reel it back.

47:26 Luke F. Walton love it

47:28 Joshoo I was like, that's perfect advice. That's perfect. You know, I can come in really strong.

47:31 Joshoo Yeah. And I did. And a really amazing thing about Peter is he, the crazier I got, the more excited he was basically. And it was a big tour for him because he's had the same band. And the same kind of configuration of band for decades, long time. So this tour adding me adding, there are a couple amazing string players. There was just more people around doing

48:10 Joshoo Yeah, additional, right. adding more colors. This was a hugely like, like let's blow the lid off of this thing and make something new and cool. So. So I think he was also feeling especially creatively down.

48:25 Joshoo Right. Free. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. But, oh yeah, but the reason I brought up this whole thing was I was talking about just like the scale of this whole tour, right? Where I was preparing all these extra parts, right?

48:43 Joshoo and the keyboards and synths were kind of like the monolith I was like oh my god I have to like go into these old recordings and find the right sounds and then uh do the sound design and like put together my rig you know and I was like oh this is gonna be crazy like this is this is like this is a lot of work and I heard you know like maybe a month before the tour

49:11 Joshoo um one of the texts reached out to me and he's like oh by the way we're doing all of that for you it's like it's all gonna be ready you know you just show up at rehearsal and

49:21 Joshoo Yes. and we're gonna have all your sounds ready to go and we're gonna be triggering them at the right time so you just you just stand there and play play your keyboard part and be pretty and you know you're you're good it's like wow this is this is cushy this is nice I don't know, but yeah.

49:43 Joshoo What a great way to like free you up. it's like because that that's always the thing that messes me up man is like

49:49 Joshoo Mm-hmm. playing live it's always having to put on like the random hats because whatever it is without fail when i'm playing like a club date or whatever usually you know as this project there will be something that will go wrong right before the downbeat like something the monitor doesn't work anymore or like the amp won't turn on like something just like completely take you out of it you have to like go

50:12 Joshoo full-on troubleshoot this thing and it's like now you're on yeah Yeah, yeah. Now go be Scoobert.

50:18 Joshoo exactly and like you're dancing on pedals and like triggering things and you're like i'm not thinking about playing music i am like it's the engineer i'm like playing the engineer rather than the artist and by allowing you to go further on that spectrum i think that that everybody wins i think that's really cool

50:37 Joshoo 100%. Yeah, everybody gets the... the more distilled version of the thing right and

50:43 Joshoo Right. and on that note I think the the emphasis on the performance like Yeah. Yeah.

50:54 Joshoo it's really I really saw it as my responsibility and I was getting some cues from that from some of my my bandmates as well it's like

51:06 Joshoo okay like I have no other responsibilities other than be like the best performer that I can be um

51:14 Joshoo Yes. so there was a lot of discussion of like the theater of the show you know like what is the what what is the

51:27 Joshoo what what what should i be doing you know like what is the the what am i what face am i making you know during this song you

51:33 Joshoo Oh, is know and i'm your just body like like where are you moving or stationary or like.

51:36 Joshoo yeah i'm like moving around and like there's like and um it's not like the most it's it's some there's some choreography in choreography in the show but it's not like um a pop show it's not like it's

51:51 Joshoo It's not Katy. not like we're doing uh dance moves every uh song you know we didn't we didn't have we didn't have uh two weeks of choreo practice before

52:01 Joshoo Yeah, yeah, but yeah. Great. but it's also a lot of the show is very it's a very contemplative show it's a very like like

52:09 Luke F. Walton Yes.

52:10 Joshoo he has his his big songs that where everybody gets up and dances but there's Probably two-thirds of this show where people are mostly seated and he's singing these really heartfelt ballads and some of these, you know, and some of the places, some of the lighting and the video is like, yeah, you're not in a party atmosphere. So it's like, what am I, what is my role as someone on stage? assisting this this

52:43 Luke F. Walton Right.

52:43 Joshoo thing right yeah it

52:45 Luke F. Walton Yes.

52:46 Luke F. Walton What was it like playing a historic venue like Madison Square Garden?

52:55 Joshoo was it was really uh that was that was like a dream that was a dream of mine and uh it's funny in New York specifically because here's a very like

53:09 Joshoo industry thing that came up is in in a lot of the um the bigger cities in the country there are really strong unions at

53:22 Joshoo Yes present at the venues so like New York Chicago those are the ones that are coming up

53:35 Joshoo in my brain the most but the the house the people working at the venue so like the the riggers and just like the house people

53:44 Joshoo Uh moving amp boxes and stuff like that really strong really strong unions so there's a lot of rules about what you can do and what you can't do there's a lot of very strict timing things about their shifts about you know like when when when to set up when we can't set up this is our lunch break this is our dinner break um

54:06 Joshoo Yeah. and so like part of the experience as a performer like at Madison Square Garden is like I had told uh Dave at the guitar player in the band like Dave it's a dream of mine to play just like just one e chord at Madison Square Garden on guitar you know just like you know just hit that and and he's like okay that's fine you know like oh yeah yeah

54:35 Joshoo Yeah, yeah yeah and so but the time came around end of soundcheck I came up to him and we're literally getting pushed off the stage by our by our um you know by our crew saying like if we're on the stage for one more minute we're gonna get fined you

54:55 Joshoo Oh, know my God. or we're gonna or we're gonna get in real big trouble yeah so it's like no so um um so that's just one of like the funny things about like actually being you know being at those places and uh but uh

55:16 Joshoo it's epic it's epic it's like you you're in soundtrack or on the stage and you're looking up like in chicago we played where the the bulls play you know and like you look up and you say like the michael jordan uh jersey hanging yeah exactly and then like um and uh just like little things like that madison square garden i i had

55:41 Joshoo this memory of the only time I've ever been there was to see Radiohead and I had taken a bus down from Boston to see them by myself and I was looking at the seat where I had seen that show you know years ago and then I was like I'm on stage yeah so just cool surreal stuff like that Um, yeah, yeah, it was great.

56:13 Joshoo that's really cool man and i yeah Highly suggest playing Madagascar i'll games. write that down i'll write that down but i just appreciate like the the honest sense of like joy and wonder um you know because i feel like

56:31 Joshoo in some parts it necessitates you becoming so professional that when you get there you don't care anymore or something like

56:35 Joshoo Yeah. that it's like i've had to earn in like grind and all this kind of stuff but that i feel like that's such a letdown to your inner child your inner self of just like soak it in like you're there you made it it's like you're on stage now um that even if some people might be like oh whatever like i'm trying to play it cool it's like there's no playing it cool at that stage like be giddy about it because that

56:59 Joshoo Yeah, that's like something that such a small percentage of musical population will will achieve and get to do and uh and like soaking that in and celebrating that i think is a beautiful thing

57:11 Joshoo I'm 100% agreeing with you. And that's actually something that I really appreciated about the experience in general is that Peter and his band who are like his OG band. They're, as instrumentalists, they're

57:28 Joshoo Yeah. legends themselves, you know, like Tony Levin, the bass player, like member of like King Crimson recorded with John Lennon and like Paul McCartney, Paul Simon, like Monikache, like celebrity drummer, you know, five albums with Sting, you know, like Joni Mitchell,

57:51 Joshoo you know, like all these like insane credits and they're older guys too, you know, they're in their 60s and 70s.

58:01 Joshoo And they're so used, their vibes are all just so youthful and they're so excited to play music and I watch them interact with each other and it's like, oh my God, it's just, it's exactly the same as me and my musician friends. Like to a T, they're just. 40 years older than us or 30 years older it's it's exactly the same and

58:30 Luke F. Walton That's a beautiful thing.

58:30 Joshoo that was that was honestly my favorite that right there was my favorite thing about the entire tour is like like This is just because I just turned 30, you know, big existential crisis moment or being a musician being

58:50 Luke F. Walton everything we've been told which was like i think it was way more true in the 90s and like early aughts of you

58:57 Joshoo Yeah

58:57 Luke F. Walton know you're 30 and that's the that's the cap of what a major label will sign you at or whatever

59:02 Joshoo Yeah Yeah, your toast as a musician once you've left your 20s. And yeah,

59:10 Luke F. Walton Nothing more to say.

59:11 Joshoo yeah, and just like looking at these guys who are crushing it, you know?

59:19 Luke F. Walton Yes.

59:19 Joshoo later in life and um and also not super jaded i think it's so common to so whenever whenever you meet an older musician they're just like you know like life's been tough you know and just to to see some examples of not not that hugely

59:39 Luke F. Walton Yes.

59:40 Joshoo inspiring yep

59:42 Luke F. Walton That is. That's really beautiful. So I got two more questions for you if you got time

59:46 Joshoo Yeah.

59:47 Luke F. Walton for it. All right. First one is the Apple commercial. So that's super dope. Would just love to get the audience hip to that song and so they can also check out your music. How did that come about? Tell me a little bit about that tune. I read the story, but maybe not everybody else did about that song and where it ended up.

60:08 Joshoo So I. I put out my first EP in 2022 last year and in 2021 when I was putting out some of my first music

60:25 Joshoo I was fortunate enough that Spotify picked it up and started putting it on some editorial playlists um which i think is how how we met right similar similar playlist yeah

60:37 Luke F. Walton or something like that i think we were sharing a playlist something like that

60:40 Joshoo right and i uh from that i started to have um companies reaching out to me wanting to do partnerships with with me and one of them um or a couple of these companies were uh sync companies so for people unfamiliar a sync company is kind of like the the middleman between

61:02 Joshoo artists and corporations who are looking to put music to their advertisements so companies will come to these think think companies and say we're looking for this vibe and

61:14 Luke F. Walton Yes.

61:14 Joshoo and then the sync people say oh we have a library full of music from artists that we've partnered with we'll see if we can find anything from that vibe and

61:27 Joshoo one of these companies that i uh i work with and um they they just hit me up a couple weeks before the the apple thing happened and they said like hey we think we we think we got a bite you

61:42 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah.

61:42 Joshoo know can you just send us over some more assets and the day before it came out they didn't say what it was they were just like hey we got it you know checks in the mail and was like okay cool and then my uh my brother and his friends are on tech and

62:02 Luke F. Walton Oh, cool.

62:03 Joshoo and so this new this apple commercial comes out and all of a sudden all at once him and all his friends are flooding you with texts did you did you did you know your your song in this apple commercial like your songs in this apple thing um so that was just a huge surprise and like apple is like um that had always been kind of my the

62:24 Luke F. Walton Yeah, for sure.

62:25 Joshoo gold standard of getting a sync you know so I was just like it was right after I came off the road with Peter Gabriel and it was just it was just very validating it was just really nice you know and it was very like Great. I just had this amazing experience being a sideman in

62:45 Luke F. Walton Right.

62:46 Joshoo a band that

62:47 Luke F. Walton Like one lane.

62:48 Joshoo was exactly,

62:48 Luke F. Walton Yep.

62:49 Joshoo this is all the encouragement I need to jump right back into my artist thing and make a bunch of new records.

62:57 Luke F. Walton Yeah, man.

62:58 Joshoo Yeah. So that was. yeah that was that I mean it was it was completely I hadn't got think in a while and

63:08 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah, for sure.

63:09 Joshoo I kind of felt like all my music was just sitting in a in the ether somewhere and then that came out of nowhere and it was it was great yeah

63:21 Luke F. Walton i what was the i feel like you you had a story or something about the headspace you were in when you wrote the tune or something like um sharing a little bit about that i just think that's like an interesting beginning

63:33 Joshoo Definitely. Yeah, sure. So I made that EP. At the time that I had just moved to LA, I moved to LA in the middle of the pandemic, I think like a lot of people,

63:47 Luke F. Walton Yes

63:47 Joshoo things just kind of maybe came to a head or blew up in the pandemic and a lot of people were like, I need to make a big change in my life, right? And I did that. I quit my old band, my longtime relationship ended, and I...

64:06 Joshoo I just picked up all my stuff and I moved across the country from Boston to LA and had no job lined up, no work,

64:16 Joshoo just my savings and it was the middle of pandemic so there was no work to be had anyway so it was like I might as well just move to the place I want to be anyways and and so I wrote I was writing this EP and

64:35 Joshoo I was, I was, I made most of it with two friends and we were just all in the same place where we were all just like very, very like capable musicians, but we're all like, we want to be producers. We want to be songwriters, you know, like we want to, we want to do this thing. We don't really know how. But I brought them in to work with me on this project. And so we're just all so stressed. We're

65:08 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

65:08 Joshoo all so in, you know, creatively inspired and also so stressed. So I was just running out of money and no idea of. if if all the things we're doing are the right thing to have this music career but it's like this

65:28 Luke F. Walton Just got

65:29 Joshoo is what

65:29 Luke F. Walton to go.

65:29 Joshoo we're gonna make yeah but we're doing it you know we're just like making music so um so yeah and and you can hear in the song it's a frantic song it's frantic it's

65:41 Luke F. Walton Totally

65:41 Joshoo it's

65:41 Luke F. Walton is.

65:41 Joshoo intense it's like heavy it's like i like i listen back and i'm like oh my god like i was i was in a crazy headspace like

65:50 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

65:50 Joshoo it's

65:50 Luke F. Walton yeah.

65:50 Joshoo like making this like futuristic drum and bass you know like you know like hip-hop kind of kind of thing 808s and stuff um but um but we also really put our all into

66:06 Joshoo Yes. the project because it was just it was the thing it was like the thing that we're doing right now and and yeah I'm really really pleased with how it came out and um and not much I like had I had a song from it do pretty well but like not much else happened with it so then to get one of those songs that

66:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

66:29 Joshoo have just kind of fallen into oblivion to get like noticed now like a year and a half later it's like oh great you know that was a good job you know nice pat on the back yeah

66:38 Luke F. Walton right. Exactly. I resonate with that very much. I want to ask you one last question. This is how we like to end the podcast. So podcast is called Love Music More. And this little thing is called Love Music Why. So basically,

66:56 Joshoo Yeah,

66:56 Luke F. Walton this is your pitch to talk to 12-year-old you kind of thing, but why did you make the right call? Why do you love music so much? Why do you continue to love music? It's just kind of like an overview of that whole vibe.

67:10 Joshoo I have always viewed making music as a craft and all of my either mentors or people that I look up to like idols I look up to them I

67:30 Joshoo especially like when I was that age when I was a young kid I looked up to them because of like these things that they were making because they dedicated their lives to you know a specific a specific thing but now I

67:47 Joshoo now at this age and seeing just like getting a peek into all these different options of lifestyles right which I think like you reach your late 20s and your 30s and you start to see like oh there's like people

68:05 Joshoo people are choosing careers but they're also choosing what sort of life they want to live right and To me, having a life and a career where that is centered around a craft that can always, you can pour your entire life in and you'll never be satisfied with how far you've come because you're always reaching,

68:28 Joshoo you know, you're getting better and then once you get better, you see the next place you can be, right? And then you get to that place and you see the next place that you can be. I think it's such a fulfilling type of life that you'll never be. Boredom is not a word that I ever encounter in my life. And having a life that's also centered around inspiration and community.

69:04 Joshoo And I also think I make music because it's a very spiritually fulfilling thing for me to do. And I also believe that it is a spiritually fulfilling product to give to other people who don't have the ability to make it. Those are kind of my reasons for making music.

69:37 Joshoo I feel like it creates a lifestyle for me that I find constantly gives me as much as I put in. And then also I think it's emotionally and spiritually healing and fulfilling thing to do. And I think it's doing a service to the world.

69:58 Luke F. Walton I love that. I totally agree. Yep. Thank you for coming on, Josh. This is super fun to chat.

70:04 Luke F. Walton One last time, where can people find your music and link up with you?

70:09 Joshoo Yep. My name is Joshoo, J-O-S-H-O-O on Instagram, I-T-S underscore J-O-S-H-O-O, same on TikTok. Come find me, hit me up. Check out tunes. Yeah. Thanks a lot, Scoob. I appreciate it.

70:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah, super fun. If people want to check out my stuff, scoobertdoobert.pizza is my website and for sure share this podcast, five stars, all that stuff so that people can find it so we can keep doing this because I love having these conversations and I think just like how music is spiritually fulfilling, I think talking about it and sharing a little bit.

70:45 Luke F. Walton what goes into it on a deeper level you know like i don't know i see a lot of i see a lot of like music interviews that um i think tyler the creator was just talking about this that like it's like really heavily not on the music that

70:56 Luke F. Walton Yeah. it's more on the celebrity you know which is in the room for that and that's that's cool but i just love i love having these conversations because i'm always like i leave it feeling fulfilled and surprised at the same time of like haven't thought about it that way but by thinking about it that way i'm super inspired to do it you know what i mean Thank you for the gift of this conversation, man.

71:14 Joshoo Likewise. Thank you. All right. Take it easy. Likewise. Peace.