An Interview with Jesse McGinty

2:53 Luke F. Walton What's good, everybody? This is Scoobert Doobert, and I'm joined with Jesse McGinty. We are going to be talking about life as a pro musician, experience recording horns and horn arrangements, of which you did one of my tunes, Michael Booth plays My Santa Buddy. So welcome to the podcast. I am excited to have this chat. Okay,

3:15 Jesse McGinty Oh, thanks

3:15 Luke F. Walton Jesse.

3:15 Jesse McGinty for having me.

3:17 Luke F. Walton Yeah, no, it's great. So I'd love to just kind of start off with... You know, it's a new year. What are what are you working on now kind of like to jump off this new year? I'm sure that all the different you know people are hitting you up or like thinking of new records or what's kind of floating out there in the air? What are you working on right now?

3:35 Jesse McGinty Yeah. I mean, my studio is a new space the

3:40 Luke F. Walton Cool.

3:40 Jesse McGinty few

3:41 Luke F. Walton Awesome. I'd love to talk about that

3:42 Jesse McGinty months in. So I'm trying to spend. spend time there be creative there rather than um you know uh at the end of last year it's like you know around the holidays you're doing a lot of stuff that isn't necessarily uh creative not

4:01 Luke F. Walton Yes.

4:01 Jesse McGinty not like your your song you know but especially as a horn player you know we're doing a bunch of christmas remakes and

4:09 Luke F. Walton For sure.

4:10 Jesse McGinty yeah you know

4:11 Luke F. Walton Totally.

4:11 Jesse McGinty you so at the end of at the end of the holiday season feeling a little burnt i

4:16 Luke F. Walton Yes.

4:17 Jesse McGinty guess uh

4:17 Luke F. Walton Yes.

4:17 Jesse McGinty being seen in the recording

4:19 Luke F. Walton Uh

4:19 Jesse McGinty uh

4:20 Luke F. Walton -huh.

4:20 Jesse McGinty jobs and so at the beginning of this year i would say trying to be creative a little bit you

4:26 Luke F. Walton Cool.

4:27 Jesse McGinty know trying to bring that energy back into the uh into my daily life you know um and uh so i would say you know there's some things coming up that that i that i have to do or

4:41 Luke F. Walton yeah for

4:42 Jesse McGinty whatever um

4:42 Luke F. Walton sure

4:43 Jesse McGinty but uh more focusing more on creative projects and mine particularly so i'm uh i'm excited about that you know yeah

4:53 Luke F. Walton yeah totally i feel like january's got a unique kind of energy to it especially like yeah with music like making

5:00 Luke F. Walton finishing up a bunch of the last year's gigs and people have got deadlines and mental deadlines of like i want to get this done before i go on holiday or whatever christmas music all that kind of stuff and then you get to january and you kind of go like okay like what do i actually want to do like how can i zoom out and like look at this thing on a broad sense

5:16 Jesse McGinty There's a lot of people that are. like oh i don't have things to do like let's

5:21 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

5:22 Jesse McGinty four things start getting crazy let's get together and do nothing or like

5:26 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

5:26 Jesse McGinty anything you know like

5:28 Luke F. Walton Right.

5:28 Jesse McGinty let's like turn on the press record just play um

5:33 Luke F. Walton Yes.

5:33 Jesse McGinty which uh has been happening which i'm really

5:36 Luke F. Walton Good.

5:36 Jesse McGinty happy about you know um but yeah yeah it's uh it's a it's gonna be a good year Getting

5:44 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

5:45 Jesse McGinty a lot of a lot of new new energy happening in my house, in my life at the studio, you know, all that. So I'm real, real happy about that. It's important to keep that alive, you

6:00 Luke F. Walton Cool.

6:00 Jesse McGinty know,

6:00 Luke F. Walton Okay.

6:00 Jesse McGinty anytime you have the chance to bring that energy through.

6:07 Luke F. Walton Okay. Yes.

6:08 Jesse McGinty uh you need to you need to push you need to take advantage of that you know uh we get bogged down so easily with uh with everything with life with you know the family with work with all of it you know that uh you really got to push push through those moments um so i yeah right now it feels it feels good Yeah, yeah.

6:34 Luke F. Walton I think that's a really important point too is like the not taking creativity for granted or moments and inspiration for granted and using it to its fullest and setting time aside for it when it does strike. It's a really hard balance that I don't know if anybody's really figured it out, but I know that our creative artists and stuff have to kind of deal with that their entire lives.

6:57 Jesse McGinty Oh, yeah. Well, I would say it's work to

7:00 Luke F. Walton Yes.

7:00 Jesse McGinty make

7:00 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

7:01 Jesse McGinty it to that creative place takes work of, I guess the work is making that choice to stay there. you

7:12 Luke F. Walton Yep.

7:12 Jesse McGinty know uh to make that choice rather than to you know whatever sit on your phone or go you know waste time um because okay so let's say you want to be you want to go to the studio and and a day of well what do you have to do to accomplish that after you have to get out make that choice get ready drive there set up all your gear,

7:40 Luke F. Walton Mm

7:40 Jesse McGinty you

7:40 Luke F. Walton -hmm.

7:41 Jesse McGinty know. like there's an hour of prep before

7:45 Luke F. Walton i don't

7:45 Jesse McGinty you even

7:46 Luke F. Walton think people realize the intricacies of like okay now i gotta like do all the linear problem solving of oh this mic cable is like on the fritz i gotta get a new mic cable like i gotta make sure this mic position they gotta go reference it before you even start the creative process really it's like the the pre-prep is huge yeah

8:02 Jesse McGinty so so pushing through that time and those feelings of i don't want to or self-doubt or whatever hurts coming up because you you you also can get that feeling of you make it all the way there and you start to work and you're you're like well this wasn't worth all this trouble that's

8:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah.

8:23 Jesse McGinty another feeling that comes up that you have to push through and i'll say this it really helps to have uh other people to help help

8:36 Luke F. Walton I agree.

8:37 Jesse McGinty through that you know

8:38 Luke F. Walton Yep.

8:38 Jesse McGinty um

8:39 Luke F. Walton Yep.

8:39 Jesse McGinty uh and so that's why i like to work with people i mean everybody does it's i think it's rare to find people that really work by themselves uh in music you know especially coming up in music i would say that um you know we all fell in love with it and started doing it as a group

9:02 Luke F. Walton Absolutely.

9:03 Jesse McGinty ever you know and it's it's very rare to find somebody that just learned to do it and loved doing it on their own i mean it happens really rare really

9:13 Luke F. Walton Well,

9:14 Jesse McGinty rare

9:14 Luke F. Walton I mean, just from my perspective, I don't think I could have learned it without other people. I do it primarily alone now.

9:21 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

9:21 Luke F. Walton i don't

9:21 Jesse McGinty I

9:21 Luke F. Walton which i don't prefer but it is like the reality

9:23 Jesse McGinty will

9:23 Luke F. Walton of

9:23 Jesse McGinty say

9:24 Luke F. Walton it you

9:24 Jesse McGinty that

9:24 Luke F. Walton know

9:24 Jesse McGinty I'm amazed at anybody that can do that, you

9:29 Luke F. Walton but

9:29 Jesse McGinty know.

9:29 Luke F. Walton i i had it took it took the village and the collaboration all that stuff to understand like i i couldn't have programmed drums without spending like a decade with incredible drummers and like touring with people like i couldn't do it i couldn't think like that without osmatically like learning

9:48 Luke F. Walton from all these different people and like based on the way that they all integrate is i'm just trying to you know in my head i've got like you know two of my friends nick campbell and logan shrewsbury like they their pocket i'm like i want to pull that and i just want to play both but without having those references like drill deep it'd be impossible to do you know it's just it wouldn't have the bag or the

10:14 Luke F. Walton barometer you know yes

10:16 Jesse McGinty totally totally and and there's something different with playing with somebody and being in the room with somebody and

10:22 Luke F. Walton totally

10:22 Jesse McGinty feeling what that feels like than listening record you know there's just it's just a different it's alive when you're there and it's yes a record you know the music is is living but it's a different kind of uh you know it's different it's like that moment you're encapsulating that moment when when you make a record but

10:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

10:47 Jesse McGinty you're actually there in that moment like so much more when you're when you're when you're there with the musicians right so

10:55 Luke F. Walton Agreed.

10:56 Jesse McGinty i yeah i i know exactly what you're saying so back back to what you were saying um Yeah, I need people to

11:06 Luke F. Walton Yes.

11:07 Jesse McGinty have that feeling in order to keep myself inspired to keep putting through and to keep working what I need to be working

11:18 Luke F. Walton It kind of reminds me, I don't know if you've had this feeling, I definitely have, where you like drive to the gym and you just kind of sit in your car for a while. Like, I don't know if this is just me. I see other people though in the gym parking lot doing this. of like i physically transported me to this space i do not want to work out it's cold outside of the car and

11:38 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

11:38 Luke F. Walton i'm just gonna like kind of like put it off and procrastinate just doing it but i would feel such shame that if i didn't like go to the gym like i just drove to the parking lot sat there for a while and left like i wouldn't be able to live with myself so like i already did what i needed to do i'm going into the gym i'm just a lame and inevitable and eventually i'm like okay i got this and then i go in and i think it's like

11:58 Luke F. Walton funny that you know music has got some of that same energy of like yes i love music and i i want to have the record or i want to have the performance but there are so many like painful steps between here and there that

12:13 Jesse McGinty Oh,

12:13 Luke F. Walton you just got

12:13 Jesse McGinty yeah. to get through you have to be so far into to see the payoff,

12:19 Luke F. Walton yes

12:19 Jesse McGinty especially like to learn music as like I'm an instrumentalist. You know, I have, I play horns like at a level that people pay me to do it, right?

12:35 Luke F. Walton Right, exactly.

12:36 Jesse McGinty So the amount of time and you know not fun things that necessarily I mean you

12:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

12:47 Jesse McGinty know it's

12:47 Luke F. Walton yeah,

12:47 Jesse McGinty fun something

12:48 Luke F. Walton right,

12:48 Jesse McGinty to love

12:48 Luke F. Walton but...

12:48 Jesse McGinty but the the repetition and the work that you have to put in that isn't necessarily a payoff in the moment you really have to have a lot of foresight in order to see in order to realize that this is going somewhere and

13:06 Luke F. Walton Yes.

13:06 Jesse McGinty same thing is in the recording process you know it's it's like you have to have this picture way way down the line to to have the energy to put in the work in order you know Exactly.

13:23 Jesse McGinty and so yeah it's just something that is it takes a special type of person in order to put in that work because you know everybody loves music and i see people try to write and try to create and try to make music that don't have that picture

13:45 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

13:45 Jesse McGinty at yet and they just don't have that energy

13:49 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

13:50 Jesse McGinty to to to make it happen you know because it takes it takes so much it takes so much you know and um there's i don't know who said it but um there were you know it's kind of an idea that's been passed around i guess um but you have when you think something is actually possible when you believe in something you have endless energy to

14:20 Luke F. Walton Yes.

14:21 Jesse McGinty do it

14:22 Luke F. Walton Yes.

14:22 Jesse McGinty and the minute that you don't believe in it you lose all that energy you literally it's gone and i know as as musicians we've all experienced that um

14:34 Luke F. Walton Absolutely.

14:34 Jesse McGinty like

14:35 Luke F. Walton Last night.

14:35 Jesse McGinty in real today if you and you you really feel inspired about something and you really see that picture and believe that you can create it you can stay up as long as you need you

14:52 Luke F. Walton Right.

14:52 Jesse McGinty can sit sit there and do it as long as you need but the minute that you have that that doubt that it's going to that you believe that that's going to be a creation that you you believe in um it's it's gone you can't do it anymore you have to leave and do something else that's it it's all gone and i don't know that's something that i keep in mind Yeah.

15:18 Luke F. Walton you know yeah yeah

15:20 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

15:20 Luke F. Walton no totally i mean i i felt literally last night i'm working on this song so i'm working on stuff because i'm trying to get uh some background vocals across like a record and i'm trying to get kind of similar headspace for the background vocalists so i'm trying to batch up a bunch of tunes and so it's it's actually proving very challenging to me and i like that because i like new challenges for different records but it's like i'm trying to make a bunch of songs

15:44 Luke F. Walton 40 and that's really

15:45 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

15:46 Luke F. Walton hard for me not to just like because i i end up losing energy at like because i know i'm not going to take it all the way so i'm like i'm just going to do a demo synth part and i'm like i hate this bridge i'm like but i have to tell myself like it's not going to be the bridge i'm going to change this this is just so i can sing vocals on it but it is so hard for me to like

16:06 Luke F. Walton just do a scratch thing and and then put something professional and real on top of it um

16:11 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

16:12 Luke F. Walton it

16:12 Jesse McGinty right.

16:21 Luke F. Walton I literally felt that last night like I fell off a cliff with energy. It was after work. I was in the office doing my day job and I came home and I'm like I think I can't do this. But I just. pressed on fixed those things and i found that energy again but

16:36 Jesse McGinty yeah

16:36 Luke F. Walton it was only because like i identified like this is the thing that sapped it from me i fixed that thing and then all of a sudden the whole song started to like come into perspective and then yeah

16:45 Jesse McGinty you're yeah

16:45 Luke F. Walton right i had energy it stayed up god

16:47 Jesse McGinty yeah

16:47 Luke F. Walton damn you know it

16:48 Jesse McGinty it's wild it's really wild makes you think about just like what you know what's real about music what what is it you know

16:59 Luke F. Walton I

17:00 Jesse McGinty magic

17:00 Luke F. Walton don't know.

17:00 Jesse McGinty what is it you know and in general in life you know um yeah very

17:07 Luke F. Walton That's all of it. It's like perception too. It's like, what is cold?

17:11 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

17:11 Luke F. Walton you know i have friends in chicago they come to la or san diego and they're like this is great and everyone's like oh my god i'm freezing you know it's it's like there's different perceptions but like what is tired what is cold what is hungry like all these things are shifting especially with the medium yeah yeah

17:27 Jesse McGinty Shift, like what you're talking about, tired shifts when you find something that inspires you. really what is it you know yeah things

17:40 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

17:40 Jesse McGinty like that it's

17:41 Luke F. Walton Yep.

17:41 Jesse McGinty very that you know it's like playful you

17:43 Luke F. Walton Yes.

17:44 Jesse McGinty know and uh i'll also say this about what you were saying um

17:48 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

17:48 Jesse McGinty with with your with your song last night Sure. um i think with music we i don't know if it's the way we were brought up or something that somebody told us or i don't know did you go to music school yeah

18:03 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I went to USC.

18:05 Jesse McGinty yeah uh to where yeah

18:07 Luke F. Walton Thornton to USC.

18:08 Jesse McGinty yeah um so you know it it has a lot to do with i think there's a lot of damage from music schools like the whole um surrounding of it and and also the people that teach us A

18:23 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

18:23 Jesse McGinty lot of seriousness surrounding

18:25 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

18:25 Jesse McGinty music and there's a lot of pressure that, you know, we put on ourselves and on music that I think is unnecessary, you

18:39 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

18:40 Jesse McGinty know, and it's the reason why we fell in love with it is not. because it was perfect and it was not because it was the recreation of something else or some other moment and uh it just we all do it you know all put that unnecessary pressure for it to be better or for it to you know

19:11 Jesse McGinty be something be anything but i've been trying to just do anything and not have it have to be anything you know

19:24 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

19:26 Jesse McGinty And, you know, a lot of times that's not where the job part is.

19:30 Luke F. Walton Right. Yeah, exactly.

19:31 Jesse McGinty The job part is recreating something almost exactly, almost all the time, you know.

19:38 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

19:39 Jesse McGinty But yeah, this pressure that we put on it, you know, such a killer to the creative process, you know. And I feel like in media right now, in all... across the board it's all throwbacks to recreation of

19:58 Luke F. Walton Mm hmm.

19:59 Jesse McGinty uh things

20:00 Luke F. Walton Mm

20:00 Jesse McGinty that have worked in the past and

20:02 Luke F. Walton hmm.

20:02 Jesse McGinty it's it's all right you know it's it makes us feel good you know but i don't think that's necessarily the best place for me to be in in in music and in the creative process when i'm doing it for myself you

20:19 Luke F. Walton Yes. Right.

20:20 Jesse McGinty know um so yeah just a little aside on what you were saying there

20:25 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

20:25 Jesse McGinty because we're all we're all in that place where we're trying to make something and it's like oh this this isn't exactly right i gotta get this exactly right and you know i don't really like this it's like just power through that just leave it you know

20:43 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

20:43 Jesse McGinty and sometimes sometimes it works and sometimes you something else makes itself clear when you don't get stuck on something like that you know and and you end up uh it ends up blossoming blossoming into something that you never expected it

20:59 Luke F. Walton Yes.

20:59 Jesse McGinty to be you know

21:00 Luke F. Walton Yes.

21:00 Jesse McGinty uh and you can always go back and take

21:03 Luke F. Walton You

21:03 Jesse McGinty it

21:04 Luke F. Walton can always

21:04 Jesse McGinty up pick or

21:04 Luke F. Walton it and fix it.

21:05 Jesse McGinty whatever

21:05 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

21:05 Jesse McGinty you know

21:06 Luke F. Walton Right.

21:06 Jesse McGinty you But, yeah, that's just a little something that, yeah.

21:10 Luke F. Walton no i i like it i've been thinking about that a lot too um i i'll probably do a solo pod on this because this is the thing i was going to talk about before this episode but you know i don't know how it'll work out in terms of like release times but um talking about like fear being a guide rather than something to hurt you so like i i've i've looked at my own creative process for this record that i'm working on now and um and i guess the one prior somewhat but i used to be

21:36 Luke F. Walton be kind of scared of just like doing straight vocal takes of the entire tune and like figure out the phrasing if the like lyrics doesn't work and you have to punch in to do this thing like change the lyrics like just like the old school kind of way of doing it i've also been like scared of being a singer songwriter because i thought that wasn't cool and it really kind of hasn't been cool like reacquainting with like singer songwriter music and being like i'm gonna try and write three chord songs and cowboy chords and try and make it cool

22:03 Luke F. Walton because i'm scared of it and

22:05 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

22:05 Luke F. Walton using that as like a not something to run away from because music school kind of made me run away from those things like they made me want to be cool and impress my friends like and my teachers and stuff you know like i wanted that validation um and some of that's good because it makes you better but then i think the full circle is then to abandon it and start to go back uh that revolution that

22:27 Luke F. Walton revelation yeah yeah it's

22:29 Jesse McGinty there's really

22:30 Luke F. Walton hard though man it's really hard yeah

22:32 Jesse McGinty hard really hard it's like i kind of describe it as like a black ball of gunk that's inside you and you can't operate like you're worse and

22:43 Luke F. Walton i like that

22:44 Jesse McGinty you're like your creative energy and

22:48 Luke F. Walton Okay.

22:49 Jesse McGinty uh

22:49 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

22:49 Jesse McGinty like the way you make a living and you know

22:53 Luke F. Walton Yes,

22:53 Jesse McGinty all the things how

22:54 Luke F. Walton for

22:54 Jesse McGinty to

22:55 Luke F. Walton sure.

22:55 Jesse McGinty separate them and and again like the the how your peers look at you and how you look at yourself you know as two different things and you know separating those things it's it's like it's impossible i mean it you know you can do it but it's still stuck together It can still stick so easily.

23:17 Luke F. Walton Yes.

23:18 Jesse McGinty You know what I mean?

23:18 Luke F. Walton Yes, totally. I do know what you mean. Hey guys, I have a new record coming out and I just wanted to announce it here. The record is called I like the letter I and it'll be out on all streaming platforms and I'm also pressing vinyl for it. So really excited for that would love it if you're able to pick up a copy of the vinyl.

23:35 Luke F. Walton It's not quite out yet but you can check out the merch shop in anticipation of it and there's also cool podcast merch on there too. Just go to scoobertdoobert.pizza you'll find all my links and we'll also add a link there when the vinyl comes out. When the vinyl is ready to purchase and we will ship it out to you and it's going to be awesome.

23:52 Luke F. Walton So definitely check out the merch store and listen to the album coming out this Friday, the 17th of June 2024. I, from my Mobius series of albums, this one is called I. Hope you enjoy it. And one of the things that was kind of a light bulb for me is I'm, you know, I'm reading some Beatles stuff and I listened to Obla Di Obla Da and

24:18 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

24:18 Luke F. Walton I'm like, you know what? It's cool because it's lame.

24:23 Jesse McGinty Didn't care is the point. And, and there's something so, what's the word of like.

32:47 Jesse McGinty uh pathfinder you

32:48 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

32:49 Jesse McGinty know and

32:49 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

32:49 Jesse McGinty and and if you can trust that intuition to to um and it's super hard or

32:57 Luke F. Walton Oh yeah, totally.

32:58 Jesse McGinty super hard it goes against everything that's going on up here you

33:03 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right.

33:04 Jesse McGinty know if you trust that then uh and put put put work into whatever it is you're doing put energy into it something the universe will give you something you don't know what it is

33:16 Luke F. Walton Yes.

33:17 Jesse McGinty And,

33:17 Luke F. Walton Right.

33:18 Jesse McGinty and, and you have to trust, it's a big, it's

33:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

33:22 Jesse McGinty a big exercise in trusting what's coming.

33:27 Luke F. Walton And,

33:27 Jesse McGinty and it seems bad or feels weird if you have to realize that you don't know where that's leading,

33:34 Luke F. Walton Yes.

33:34 Jesse McGinty you know, continuously.

33:36 Luke F. Walton Yes. Like, because no, no, I, I, right along with where you're saying is, like, I, I started practicing Japanese.

33:44 Jesse McGinty Mm-hmm.

33:45 Luke F. Walton nine years ago something like that and when I started everyone was like why are you doing that I'm like I don't know I

33:51 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

33:51 Luke F. Walton like it I'm

33:52 Jesse McGinty Yep,

33:53 Luke F. Walton not sure and it's been like foundational to my happiness in my career and all these things and it just seems like it's becoming even more so and that was not the goal it became the goal but it started as just this is a thing that is hard and I enjoy and why aren't you learning Spanish it's like I probably should be like I understand that logically I should be speaking Spanish and like at some point I hope I do but

34:19 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

34:20 Luke F. Walton it's like for some reason I want to learn this I'm going to learn this and I feel like it could apply to anything in anybody's life I want to learn woodworking like okay just okay figure it out why I don't know I just I'm going to you know like that kind of a I'm not learning woodworking but just the example you absolutely know what I mean yeah

34:36 Jesse McGinty agreed agreed that's awesome about the Japanese.

34:40 Luke F. Walton I

34:41 Jesse McGinty Yeah

34:41 Luke F. Walton love it but it's you know it was it was years and years and years of hard work I'm still

34:47 Luke F. Walton fine at like i've gotten to a point where i feel very proud of where i'm at but it's not like i've ascended the mountain or whatever um but it's like it didn't just go into nothing it didn't go into the void it wasn't something it was like oh i learned a parlour trick it's

35:02 Jesse McGinty Right. Right.

35:02 Luke F. Walton like no this ended up being foundational you just didn't know it at the time

35:05 Jesse McGinty Yeah. I will also say that any type of learning is important. It's important to continue learning because I know, you know, in music, people

35:16 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

35:17 Jesse McGinty that just stop the learning process, you

35:22 Luke F. Walton Yes.

35:22 Jesse McGinty know, and that's, that just makes them become stagnant and,

35:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

35:28 Jesse McGinty and it, nothing pushes forward after that. You know, they kind of stay, it can keep you in the same place.

35:38 Luke F. Walton Yes.

35:38 Jesse McGinty or in the same kind of like world hemisphere whatever whatever

35:43 Luke F. Walton Sure.

35:43 Jesse McGinty and that's not what we're trying to do it's this music is a lifelong journey

35:49 Luke F. Walton Yes.

35:50 Jesse McGinty you know and process and and every situation every musical situation you're in and every day is an opportunity to learn something and to better yourself and have a better understanding and if you close yourself off to that then i don't think that you're truly embodying what it means to be a musician you know because the the people that i look up to that you that do music are never done learning they're just

36:27 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

36:27 Jesse McGinty always trying to be better at it and or just have more of an understanding of it you know i guess it's more like um um what what darwin what was darwinism what what's the word i'm looking for

36:43 Luke F. Walton uh natural selection like negative oh

36:46 Jesse McGinty no like uh you know the monkey turns into the man and they

36:50 Luke F. Walton okay yeah evolution okay

36:51 Jesse McGinty evolution yeah trying to evolve as a music you

36:54 Luke F. Walton okay yeah

36:55 Jesse McGinty know rather than it doesn't necessarily mean you could play more uh ideas

37:00 Luke F. Walton right totally

37:01 Jesse McGinty or you know it's it might even mean you play less and that's bad Exactly.

37:07 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

37:07 Jesse McGinty You know, do something that's simpler.

37:09 Luke F. Walton Most people that I talk to are better shredders when they're younger.

37:14 Jesse McGinty Totally.

37:14 Luke F. Walton they don't they don't become like increasingly better shredders they just go like okay that's enough time invested into that whole thing yeah

37:21 Jesse McGinty Exactly, exactly. There's a realization, a growing and evolution that happens that, you know, that all of a sudden you realize that, oh, I should be playing things that people want to listen to or I want to listen to. you

37:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

37:42 Jesse McGinty know or

37:42 Luke F. Walton exactly.

37:42 Jesse McGinty things that people can understand or you

37:45 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

37:46 Jesse McGinty know and i think that's something that's lost a lot of times with young young people trying to especially in jazz you know that's what background is in and uh they're they're they're really trying to You know, be able to play everything and

38:01 Luke F. Walton Yes.

38:02 Jesse McGinty they lose the idea that a listener can digest the music that they're hearing. And that's always the music that. even as you grow older that i i listen to is

38:17 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

38:18 Jesse McGinty things that i can i can digest and aren't

38:21 Luke F. Walton Yes.

38:21 Jesse McGinty abrasive to

38:23 Luke F. Walton Yes.

38:23 Jesse McGinty my surroundings and my ears and everything you know my being uh

38:28 Luke F. Walton Yes.

38:29 Jesse McGinty so yeah i think that's a a very interesting you know art

38:37 Luke F. Walton It

38:37 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

38:37 Luke F. Walton is it is and it might be necessary you like you might need to do the chop thing so then now you've got that bag or you've got technical facility like your neurons and stuff is all in sync so now I can like focus on speaking with it rather than just like outputting soup Yeah.

38:52 Jesse McGinty yeah i mean the problem is is jazz school you

38:55 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Right.

38:56 Jesse McGinty know it's a big problem but without it you know we wouldn't we wouldn't be we wouldn't have the community to to work also you know and that's something that is invaluable because that was is what created this life for me at least um so yeah it's a catch-22 there

39:18 Luke F. Walton yeah yeah it totally is and i also like the way that you're positing like music learning in its broadest possible sense like i like i really like talking with with drummers um especially drummers that have been in the studio a lot because the nuance of like

39:37 Luke F. Walton tuning or your heads or your beater choice like what's on your kick drum and what is hitting it with your foot pedal like oh this is like a felt beater this one i can turn around it can be like a harder attack all these like little tiny nuances where

39:50 Luke F. Walton you know everybody's doing this the same four in the floor beat or whatever you know like everybody's doing the same thing so like where do you differentiate yourself on the tones on the mic placement on the way you're thinking about okay i'm going to play really quiet so you can turn up the preamps it's going to get more saturation in the preamp rather than in the drum like all these like little micro decisions and i like it from the perspective of a drum kit i also you know i think horns is also a really interesting thing of like

40:17 Luke F. Walton a lot of this is fairly static where on the margins can we change things and make a world of difference like totally change the output i i'd love it i find it like guitar is kind of the opposite like i have so many knobs and toys and pedals and like you can almost like lose yourself in the technology and

40:38 Jesse McGinty Yes.

40:38 Luke F. Walton you can miss like the little things like have you tried picking differently or like you know like you know like i'll use a different reverb and i'll turn this knob and automate that it's like yeah like what if you use your fingers like right

40:51 Jesse McGinty I mean, it's an interesting, that's a fun game, basically. It's like being as creative as you can within this very... specific box you

41:04 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

41:04 Jesse McGinty know like

41:05 Luke F. Walton Right.

41:05 Jesse McGinty like being a drummer because

41:06 Luke F. Walton Right.

41:07 Jesse McGinty you're playing a lot on a lot of music it's

41:10 Luke F. Walton Yes.

41:10 Jesse McGinty the same beat you know you know tempo differentiates very very little on in certain in certain genres and things totally

41:19 Luke F. Walton And they might even quantize you too. So, you

41:22 Jesse McGinty totally

41:22 Luke F. Walton know.

41:22 Jesse McGinty so yeah how can how can we set this apart how can these drums sound cool yeah Yeah, it's very, very interesting. That's a really. I know some engineers that are just so, so,

41:39 Luke F. Walton Totally.

41:41 Jesse McGinty what's the word? They got to make everything exactly right.

41:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Fine-tuned. Yeah.

41:49 Jesse McGinty And it's

41:49 Luke F. Walton Zoomed in.

41:50 Jesse McGinty a difference.

41:50 Luke F. Walton It Yes.

41:51 Jesse McGinty makes a difference. It does.

41:52 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

41:52 Jesse McGinty You know, even putting that energy into it, just having that like energy behind what you're doing.

42:01 Jesse McGinty you know adds even if it like you go you separate the kick drum and it sounds exactly the same as some other one just having that uh that energy surrounding it is going to change it in some way you know um

42:16 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Yeah.

42:17 Jesse McGinty and uh yeah that's where that magic that's where it's like what's real what's not and

42:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Right.

42:22 Jesse McGinty uh and i think it's funny like that brings up this i've

42:29 Luke F. Walton All right.

42:30 Jesse McGinty been in some sessions with different you know with people that don't necessarily know so much about music and there's there's kind of a um especially

42:46 Jesse McGinty in the hip-hop world there's like this this uh this feeling that like if you know too much

42:54 Luke F. Walton Mm

42:54 Jesse McGinty about

42:54 Luke F. Walton hmm.

42:54 Jesse McGinty sick then there's like some magic loss you know

42:58 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

42:59 Jesse McGinty what

42:59 Luke F. Walton I've

42:59 Jesse McGinty i'm speaking

42:59 Luke F. Walton heard that a lot.

43:00 Jesse McGinty yeah and

43:01 Luke F. Walton I think the general public too, like, like, like how many people have told me like that so and so didn't read music like you don't have you know, like, okay.

43:10 Jesse McGinty totally totally what's crazy is that people making music like don't want people around that

43:20 Luke F. Walton Interesting.

43:20 Jesse McGinty know too much about

43:21 Luke F. Walton That's

43:21 Jesse McGinty music you

43:22 Luke F. Walton cool. That's cool.

43:23 Jesse McGinty know because they they think that like there's something that is lost there

43:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:31 Jesse McGinty which i don't know maybe

43:32 Luke F. Walton I don't know. I'm not sure.

43:34 Jesse McGinty right maybe

43:35 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

43:35 Jesse McGinty it's right. good i

43:35 Luke F. Walton I get it. Yeah.

43:36 Jesse McGinty mean I know, I feel where that's coming from.

43:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

43:42 Jesse McGinty I

43:42 Luke F. Walton me too.

43:42 Jesse McGinty understand

43:42 Luke F. Walton Yeah, I get it.

43:43 Jesse McGinty where that's coming from. And I think that is right in certain cases.

43:48 Luke F. Walton But you can also train for that too. Like I do that where like I last night when I was in that funk,

43:54 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

43:54 Luke F. Walton I pulled up a like Rhodes piano and I just played nonsense.

43:58 Jesse McGinty yeah,

43:59 Luke F. Walton Like

43:59 Jesse McGinty yeah.

44:00 Luke F. Walton absolute just a nonsense improvisation like super. out whatever like a full

44:06 Jesse McGinty Yep.

44:06 Luke F. Walton -on childlike playing and it reset me you know like i was like okay i can re-approach this thing because i just did 30 minutes of just gobbledygook you

44:15 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

44:15 Luke F. Walton know but like that's the thing you can train to try to get yourself back into that mindset of the unlearned musician and then you can get the best of both worlds because like when you don't know the musical terms you can't communicate with anybody you're like hey like can you can you play the third in the bass and they're like what's a third word it's

44:31 Jesse McGinty yeah i

44:31 Luke F. Walton like oh okay um uh fred three uh the you know a string like yeah like oh no you know it's like this is gonna take so long now um yeah

44:45 Jesse McGinty well basically i've i always think this like learning the theory and learning to read is just a way to put words and communication to something that we all know intrinsically you

44:59 Luke F. Walton Right.

45:00 Jesse McGinty know and

45:00 Luke F. Walton Totally.

45:00 Jesse McGinty so

45:01 Luke F. Walton That's what I

45:01 Jesse McGinty i'm

45:01 Luke F. Walton do too.

45:01 Jesse McGinty always fascinated by people who who learned on their own or learn by ear and

45:09 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

45:09 Jesse McGinty they always want to say oh i'm not like you you know i don't know it and i'm like no i like i wish i had what you have but you wish you had what i had but i need you know i can maybe communicate what you're playing but you can just do it without even thinking you just know what it is you know And that's always a fascinating, you

45:37 Luke F. Walton Yes.

45:38 Jesse McGinty know, difference there between

45:41 Luke F. Walton I agree.

45:42 Jesse McGinty musicians, you know.

45:43 Luke F. Walton I agree. But I think that sometimes people use it as an excuse or as like a thing that ends up holding them back ultimately, where it's like, if you talk to somebody that was illiterate, but they could full on speak English at a great vocabulary.

46:00 Luke F. Walton you say and then you use a very literary word they're like I don't it's like hey man if you just learn how to read you know that word and

46:08 Jesse McGinty Yeah, yeah, right

46:09 Luke F. Walton then you could take this thing and you could like go anywhere and you could read on the bus and you could use that language and no one has to talk to you anymore you're like you can do it it's like no it's not cool like I'll be a worse speaker if I can read

46:23 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

46:23 Luke F. Walton it's

46:23 Jesse McGinty something

46:24 Luke F. Walton like really are you sure i'm

46:26 Jesse McGinty like that, something like that.

46:32 Luke F. Walton a little faulty on it like i i think that people should just do it like learn as much as as you want to but if it's holding you back like learn a little bit

46:41 Jesse McGinty yeah

46:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

46:41 Jesse McGinty definitely if you feel that way definitely learn it you know um but

46:46 Luke F. Walton It would have held me back. I think that's what I'm trying to say is my perspective. If I didn't develop that bag, I couldn't

46:52 Jesse McGinty i mean that's

46:53 Luke F. Walton have made money doing

46:53 Jesse McGinty how i

46:53 Luke F. Walton what

46:54 Jesse McGinty made

46:54 Luke F. Walton I

46:54 Jesse McGinty a living knowing what people were talking about i mean

46:59 Luke F. Walton That's true.

47:00 Jesse McGinty i mean i'm like the extreme example of like a person who studied everything and oh no you know whatever you try to tell me to do i can like figure out what you're saying you know in terms of like musical language

47:18 Luke F. Walton cool

47:18 Jesse McGinty right but

47:18 Luke F. Walton yes yes

47:19 Jesse McGinty but uh but again i i'm like

47:23 Luke F. Walton yeah please yeah

47:24 Jesse McGinty there's certain people that i'm like do not just don't don't even order it like there's no reason for you to do this you

47:32 Luke F. Walton I love it

47:33 Jesse McGinty and uh yeah one example specifically is

47:36 Luke F. Walton Yeah, please.

47:36 Jesse McGinty is pharrell you

47:39 Luke F. Walton Cool.

47:39 Jesse McGinty know yeah

47:40 Luke F. Walton Okay. That's a good example.

47:41 Jesse McGinty he just he's like i don't know i now he's like taking classes to learn music theory you know yeah yeah but uh but uh you know somebody made him feel bad about it point and uh i just i just think that um he doesn't need to do that there's

48:05 Luke F. Walton no

48:05 Jesse McGinty that

48:05 Luke F. Walton clear

48:05 Jesse McGinty has that much you know what i mean but it is good to know it is good to know you know um yeah

48:13 Luke F. Walton primarily for communication that that's the thing that i that i reach for the most is to be able to share like here's the idea very quickly in words that you understand

48:22 Jesse McGinty yeah totally um And it's a very helpful, very,

48:27 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

48:27 Jesse McGinty very helpful.

48:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

48:29 Jesse McGinty And again, in what we're talking about, the work situation,

48:33 Luke F. Walton Right.

48:33 Jesse McGinty rather

48:33 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

48:34 Jesse McGinty than like the creative.

48:37 Luke F. Walton It's different. It is different.

48:38 Jesse McGinty And, you know, if you don't have to be in the work environment, in the music work environment in that way, then don't do it if it's not.

48:47 Luke F. Walton exactly

48:47 Jesse McGinty Well,

48:48 Luke F. Walton well that's honestly that's very similar to our shredding conversation is like hey that's out of scope that's cool like

48:54 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

48:55 Luke F. Walton and i i get that if you're if you're gonna hire people like you that

49:07 Jesse McGinty of

49:07 Luke F. Walton well course you need to practice it now because you you hired that out it's like i if i was able to hire a recording engineer i wouldn't have needed to learn all this recording engineering crap you know i love it but like you know what i mean like if if you had a scope i

49:19 Jesse McGinty yes yes um yeah anyway i don't know to each

49:24 Luke F. Walton like

49:24 Jesse McGinty his own you know

49:25 Luke F. Walton soon yeah yeah

49:26 Jesse McGinty and and there's no rules there's no rules to any of this and and i i just think that people who who think that they should that it's greener on the other side it's

49:38 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

49:39 Jesse McGinty it's it's up to you how you want to live your life if you want those skills and you put energy into it and you learn those skills then it's going to come back to you and you're going to be able to use those skills just like we're saying whatever it is you put energy into whatever you learn there's going to be a time that it's going to be useful to you but but if you don't want to be in that position if you don't want

50:04 Jesse McGinty And

50:04 Luke F. Walton right right totally

50:05 Jesse McGinty don't do it. There's

50:06 Luke F. Walton and

50:06 Jesse McGinty something.

50:07 Luke F. Walton it's okay it's okay to have a list of things that you want to get to someday you know like that's okay too um like like flea he did he did classes at usc because he wanted to learn music theory and stuff like that but it was not

50:18 Luke F. Walton it was because it was just kind of like a thing that like when i'm older and middle-aged like that sounds interesting so

50:24 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

50:24 Luke F. Walton he did it you know it's like when i'm older middle-aged i want to do um like i want to learn how to do more hard composition like actual like choral music kind of composition i

50:34 Jesse McGinty yeah.

50:35 Luke F. Walton don't care if anyone wants to listen to it it's something that i want to do it's not something i want to do now maybe not even next 20 years but hopefully i live a long varied life and i can get I can get to that someday, but

50:45 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

50:46 Luke F. Walton like I'm not putting pressure on myself to go get that textbook on counterpoint right now. You know, I

50:50 Jesse McGinty exactly.

50:50 Luke F. Walton did enough of that.

50:53 Jesse McGinty I mean, back to bringing it back to what we were saying before that that music wouldn't have. occurred those

51:02 Luke F. Walton Uh

51:03 Jesse McGinty bass

51:03 Luke F. Walton -huh right.

51:03 Jesse McGinty wouldn't have been played if he had all this music

51:08 Luke F. Walton I agree.

51:09 Jesse McGinty knowledge

51:09 Luke F. Walton I agree.

51:09 Jesse McGinty you

51:09 Luke F. Walton Exactly.

51:10 Jesse McGinty know like

51:10 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

51:10 Jesse McGinty if

51:10 Luke F. Walton Yeah. Yeah

51:10 Jesse McGinty there is some magic in that because there's he's doing something that nobody else did because he doesn't have all the vocabulary that he was taught from

51:20 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

51:20 Jesse McGinty some bass player at some music school you

51:23 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

51:23 Jesse McGinty know and like now stuck with all this same vocabulary that every other bass player has you

51:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

51:29 Jesse McGinty know and

51:30 Luke F. Walton yeah.

51:30 Jesse McGinty and you know that's that's i think the the problem is the the kind of whitewashing of of musicians through school where we all learn the same thing and we all learn the the the scales that we should be using and the the chord patterns that we should be you know using in our songs and and all this and so You know, the people that break out of that, even though it's a risk, huge

51:56 Luke F. Walton yeah oh totally maybe no to listen to you

51:59 Jesse McGinty risk.

52:00 Luke F. Walton right

52:00 Jesse McGinty I mean, the risk is that you're not going to work, you know, and if you want to be a musician, like you don't have the skills to work a lot of the jobs that are in music. So it's a real big risk, but the people who are willing to take that risk and do something really, really creative because

52:24 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

52:24 Jesse McGinty they're not inundated by everything that has already happened,

52:30 Luke F. Walton Yes.

52:30 Jesse McGinty then, you know, I have so much respect for those people.

52:34 Luke F. Walton But I feel like you can get to the other end of it. or

52:38 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

52:38 Luke F. Walton at least maybe this is a myth i tell myself too but like i think that there is a there is a place beyond the tradition where you have so much tradition that you can get like bored of it and

52:48 Jesse McGinty Yes.

52:49 Luke F. Walton it it gets fully internalized and

52:51 Jesse McGinty Yes.

52:52 Luke F. Walton then now you can you know write a song with a song form that no one's ever heard

52:57 Jesse McGinty Definitely.

52:58 Luke F. Walton You

52:58 Jesse McGinty I

52:58 Luke F. Walton know?

52:58 Jesse McGinty think, oh, absolutely no question about that. I'm not saying you can't do it at

53:03 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

53:04 Jesse McGinty all.

53:04 Luke F. Walton Cool.

53:04 Jesse McGinty Not at all. I'm just saying that it's harder. You have to do

53:09 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

53:09 Jesse McGinty some work in order to get to that place to escape or

53:13 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

53:14 Jesse McGinty set aside rather not escape.

53:17 Luke F. Walton Cool. To set aside. I like that.

53:19 Jesse McGinty Set aside everything

53:20 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

53:21 Jesse McGinty that you've already. that's like so internalized right

53:27 Luke F. Walton Yes.

53:27 Jesse McGinty and

53:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

53:28 Jesse McGinty and so sometimes it takes something drastic to to get to that place you know and

53:35 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

53:35 Jesse McGinty it happens for me i don't know how often but it's

53:43 Luke F. Walton Yeah, it's a it's flashes thing for me too.

53:45 Jesse McGinty not it's not all the time i'll

53:47 Luke F. Walton No, either.

53:47 Jesse McGinty say

53:48 Luke F. Walton No way.

53:49 Jesse McGinty it's like when I'm in a specific mood and

53:51 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right.

53:52 Jesse McGinty and it's it's almost like impossible to recreate that

53:58 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right.

53:59 Jesse McGinty moment or you can't you can't figure out how to get back there it's like the it's like the mirage you Yeah, know like you

54:07 Luke F. Walton yeah. There's no way to put it.

54:09 Jesse McGinty know like

54:10 Luke F. Walton Right.

54:10 Jesse McGinty place that's not on the map you know

54:12 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

54:12 Jesse McGinty um and yeah when that when that does come you still got to go an hour shut

54:18 Luke F. Walton Yes.

54:19 Jesse McGinty off all your cables and turn on your computer and all that that it said push through that to get to that you still you know and so you you always got to remember that there's work involved in all of it you know and so yeah it's just um it's fun it's just fun you know no

54:40 Luke F. Walton yeah

54:41 Jesse McGinty pressure

54:41 Luke F. Walton right well that that's the beautiful balance it's that paradox and i almost liked the way you put it with to set aside without like an object to that verb

54:51 Jesse McGinty Mm

54:51 Luke F. Walton it's

54:51 Jesse McGinty -hmm.

54:51 Luke F. Walton just this unknown like set aside we

54:54 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

54:54 Luke F. Walton have those flashes where you actually do and

54:57 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

54:57 Luke F. Walton um and i like you know some some other people like rick rubens and stuff they talk about this esoteric thing which i do resonate with of this like essential nature of things or the source that you can tap into briefly you get like a little thimble of water from it you know every

55:15 Jesse McGinty yeah

55:15 Luke F. Walton once in a while and the only way that it really shows up is if you like show up every day too you know other

55:19 Jesse McGinty definitely definitely that and also again other people can bring it out in you

55:26 Luke F. Walton people can bring it out in you i totally agree you

55:28 Jesse McGinty and and like when you find that person and you don't know if it's gonna be who

55:33 Luke F. Walton i want to talk about that yeah

55:34 Jesse McGinty it's gonna be you know

55:35 Luke F. Walton yeah yeah oh

55:36 Jesse McGinty To find that person, it's important to, you know, try to continue to spend time with them in a creative way,

55:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

55:46 Jesse McGinty you know, and when it doesn't work anymore, you don't do it anymore. It's fine, you know. But yeah, it's so, so interesting. I like that, that little symbol of magic water.

56:04 Luke F. Walton it doesn't have to sustain me for another record sorry to interrupt this very important broadcast but it's time for one more advertisement for myself for this podcast um what i what i'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars share it with your friends this is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow so if you want to do this

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56:47 Luke F. Walton like subscribe all that good stuff thank you so much and here's the rest of the episode i'd love to talk a little bit about mike and your kind of your collaboration like talking about kind of just the work with the trumpet player mike and and kind of the way that you've developed developed that and other musical

57:05 Jesse McGinty I mean,

57:05 Luke F. Walton relationships

57:06 Jesse McGinty me and Mike have been, his name is Mike Cordone, he's a trumpet player and we've been working together for i mean coming up on 20 years now

57:20 Luke F. Walton Whoa,

57:20 Jesse McGinty you

57:20 Luke F. Walton 20

57:20 Jesse McGinty know yeah

57:21 Luke F. Walton years. That's awesome.

57:22 Jesse McGinty we

57:22 Luke F. Walton That's

57:23 Jesse McGinty went

57:23 Luke F. Walton incredible.

57:23 Jesse McGinty to um together

57:24 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

57:24 Jesse McGinty and started

57:25 Luke F. Walton yeah, yeah.

57:25 Jesse McGinty uh doing recordings together like

57:28 Luke F. Walton Awesome.

57:28 Jesse McGinty roommate and played

57:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

57:30 Jesse McGinty in you know tons of bands together gigs and stuff back then in miami and uh And then came out here, started working, still continue to work together, got a studio in downtown, just been. i don't know you know like he's my partner on all this horn stuff you know

57:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

57:54 Jesse McGinty so i

57:54 Luke F. Walton yeah,

57:54 Jesse McGinty do do the the saxes and woodwinds and trombones and low brass and he does the trumpets and flugelhorns and yeah we kind of just switch off as engineer and uh

58:07 Luke F. Walton yeah,

58:07 Jesse McGinty because our studio is a two-room you know like recording

58:11 Luke F. Walton nice,

58:11 Jesse McGinty record

58:11 Luke F. Walton cool, mm-hmm.

58:12 Jesse McGinty room with a booth or a control room rather and And yeah, so, you know, we both have the skills to do, to do both, both things, you know,

58:25 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

58:26 Jesse McGinty and yeah, it's been a great, I mean, he's an incredible trumpet player,

58:32 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

58:33 Jesse McGinty you know. I'm super happy to work with him all the time.

58:39 Luke F. Walton Yes.

58:40 Jesse McGinty I mean, he's my guy, you know?

58:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah, right. And how special is that? And to be able to maintain that, any tips for somebody that like say, say, for example, they're in college music school or they listen to this, and they're finding these people, they're like, yo, you fill in the gaps in my skills, I fill in the gaps in yours, we're able to collaborate and we can each engineer each other, all those kind of things, you need other people.

59:00 Luke F. Walton Any tips on like how to maintain those kind of friendships and relationships? in business partners like 20 years that's a really long time yeah

59:08 Jesse McGinty I'll say this, you have to get work.

59:11 Luke F. Walton okay yeah right that's

59:13 Jesse McGinty Like,

59:13 Luke F. Walton that's a great yeah exactly same thing like any team like like a basketball player is like how are you guys like such a good team it's like we win you

59:20 Jesse McGinty yeah, exactly.

59:21 Luke F. Walton know

59:22 Jesse McGinty It has to work. And then you have to like get. money for it

59:28 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

59:28 Jesse McGinty and

59:29 Luke F. Walton yeah,

59:29 Jesse McGinty if you get money for it somebody else will want this you the same two people again

59:34 Luke F. Walton yes,

59:34 Jesse McGinty and like you have to look out for each other too obviously you know yeah, like if if somebody calls me you know i.e you and

59:45 Luke F. Walton yeah, right.

59:46 Jesse McGinty you're like i want horns a horn section on this and i'm like cool and then i'm like yo mike we got this job

59:53 Luke F. Walton Cool.

59:53 Jesse McGinty You know what I mean?

59:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

59:54 Jesse McGinty It's like never bring something to the job.

59:57 Luke F. Walton Mm

59:57 Jesse McGinty You

59:58 Luke F. Walton -hmm.

59:58 Jesse McGinty have to be willing to, you know, sacrifice a little bit of the money to

60:04 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

60:04 Jesse McGinty bring on another guy because you know that that'll bring up your brand or your product or, you know, it'll make it better and it'll make it more enjoyable to do the work too.

60:18 Luke F. Walton Yes.

60:18 Jesse McGinty So. It has to be a friendship.

60:22 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

60:23 Jesse McGinty It has to be trust and it has to be like you work well together, you know, and there has to be kind of.

60:32 Jesse McGinty i don't know if in some cases it's one person that is the managerial find the work type

60:38 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

60:39 Jesse McGinty person

60:39 Luke F. Walton Right.

60:39 Jesse McGinty um

60:40 Luke F. Walton Right.

60:40 Jesse McGinty but in our case it's we both bring stuff to you know and so yeah it's just like you just have to make it work you have to you have to be like all right we're gonna do this we're gonna be a team and it's like okay how do we get work like i don't know you hit up your guys i'll hit up my guy Hi guys, let's

61:01 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

61:02 Jesse McGinty get to work, you know,

61:03 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

61:03 Jesse McGinty and yeah, I mean that's that's basically it I guess

61:07 Luke F. Walton I love it.

61:08 Jesse McGinty Yeah

61:08 Luke F. Walton I've got one final question for you. So this show is called Love Music More. The segment is called Love Music Why? And I'd love to just throw this your way, take this wherever you'd like. Why do you keep doing it? Why do you choose music? Why has this been such a foundational part of your life? What would you say to yourself in sixth grade or something like that? Now.

61:29 Jesse McGinty well sixth grade i knew i was going to be professionally session like there was no like in third grade i

61:36 Luke F. Walton Hell yeah.

61:36 Jesse McGinty knew like

61:37 Luke F. Walton Hell yeah.

61:37 Jesse McGinty my parents are musicians um uh and yeah my whole family's musicians and that's basically what i did my for my whole life since i was like a little little kid you know um but

61:54 Jesse McGinty um why do i do it i mean music has given me everything you know i mean it's it's the guiding light for me and it's magic and i'm obsessed with it and it's um the truth you know

62:16 Jesse McGinty it's making creating something out of nothing it's it's the moment it's it's it disappears it's just that moment and it's gone you know um and you can't see it you know uh it's it's something that everybody understands and it's the way that i express myself you know Um, but me as a, would you say a sixth grader,

62:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

62:47 Jesse McGinty what

62:48 Luke F. Walton What would you say?

62:49 Jesse McGinty I say to a sixth grader, um, I probably would say like. learn as many skills as you possibly can in music because that's what you need to do in order to work in music is be super diversified in what you can do and um i knew that at that time like i was already doing that but i had this teacher His name was Joel Siegel, and he was a saxophone player and a pastor, and he said to me, either you're going to be the very best,

63:33 Jesse McGinty the very best at one thing, which in my case would be playing jazz tenor saxophone, right, or you...

63:45 Jesse McGinty are gonna be really good at a lot of things and guess what you're not going to be the best so you better be good at a lot of things and uh that that always kind of stuck with me you know

64:02 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

64:02 Jesse McGinty and he told me that in high school but you know same difference yeah

64:06 Luke F. Walton that's beautiful.

64:09 Jesse McGinty yeah

64:09 Luke F. Walton And that's a really good one. That's a really good one. I really resonate with that because like I don't know. You could apply that to so many different things. Like

64:17 Jesse McGinty Yeah.

64:18 Luke F. Walton what, you know, small odds pursuit do you want in your life? It's like apply that same mentality. Like are you going to be the best basketball player? It's like probably not.

64:31 Jesse McGinty You got to be the best.

64:32 Luke F. Walton you got to be the absolute best exactly

64:34 Jesse McGinty You have to like be the best. Yeah.

64:36 Luke F. Walton are you already seven foot six like you know victor wembe yama or like are you built that way it's like no sorry you're probably not going to be the best so what are you going to do with that like yeah you're going to you got to you're going to diversify your skills you're going to have a reason why other people want to work with you you got to win You

64:54 Jesse McGinty Yeah,

64:54 Luke F. Walton got to go take it out. So I love that. That was a really great answer.

64:57 Jesse McGinty yeah,

64:58 Luke F. Walton Thank you so much for chatting with me, Jesse. This is super,

65:01 Jesse McGinty totally yeah,

65:01 Luke F. Walton super fun. I loved it. I'm feeling very inspired. And let's make some more music together.

65:07 Jesse McGinty totally

65:09 Luke F. Walton All right. Have a great rest of your day.

65:11 Jesse McGinty Yeah, you too, man

65:12 Luke F. Walton Take it easy.