An Interview with Harry Terrell

2:17 Luke F. Walton What's good, everybody? Welcome back to Love Music More. I am Scoobert Doobert, and I am joined with Harry Terrell. What's up, Chef Harry T?

2:25 Harry Terrell What's going on happy to be here with you Scoob

2:28 Luke F. Walton I'm so excited to talk to you because I was just listening to your latest single, and I was thinking a lot about drum tone and where we're at in 2025 and just how you were nailing this human.

2:40 Luke F. Walton touch to the instrument that I think is finally coming back around in a really big way so I'm just excited to talk to you about drum kit about the evolution of your career about all the people that you work with which is an incredible community and yeah get to the end of it and hopefully the guests love music more at the end of it too yeah

2:59 Harry Terrell Sweet. I love it.

3:00 Luke F. Walton man so so yeah that's I think that's where my first question would be like what where do you think drums are at where do you think Like the musical vibe out there in the ethos where it's sitting and like, how are you trying to and actively contributing to the direction the music's going?

3:16 Harry Terrell Oh man. Well, that last part you might have to answer for me, but I guess I'll first start by saying that even though it's, you know, on the surface of things, it sort of feels like there's this AI drum machine samples takeover.

3:31 Harry Terrell I still feel like drums are very alive and well just in LA alone I mean there's so many amazing drummers doing very very cool inspiring stuff so many producers that just jump to the the splice library you know as quick as they possibly can but I mean, I include myself in this, but the use of electronics and samples and sort of new like methodologies of recording drums, producing drums, whatever,

4:00 Harry Terrell I think has the like combination of technologies available, I feel like has sort of allowed for some very cool new techniques and things that people are trying that I've heard. I don't know, it's so hard to say right now because everything is like.

4:15 Harry Terrell the music industry the world is everything is so in flux right now that i don't really know what the like future of drumming looks like but i feel like even though everything is so messed up it's like people are still constantly searching for new sources of inspiration and you know new approaches i guess as far as what i'm doing i mean i'm i'm mostly inspired by

4:41 Harry Terrell 70s golden age of recording you know kind of drum tones then also like sampled j dilla style hip-hop drums kind of newer golden age of recording almost like whatever 2010s and kind of just this combo of like of like lo-fi and hi-fi and everyone's looking for like the fattest

5:02 Harry Terrell kick drum you know like some stuff like like tame impala's currents you know that kind of drum sound that like very much permeated like indie music producer tone choices yeah i would say those are those are kind of

5:17 Harry Terrell things that i absorb into and then have put into my workflow you know like the use of like cassette and recordings um especially with drums and like how dead to make the drums how much breathing room you want the drums to have you know

5:31 Luke F. Walton so i think those are cool things to dig into a little bit because some people might just hear and be like sounds cool sounds like now sounds by me they might not be perceiving like dead amount of reverb and things like that like How do you go about it? What does that actually look like for somebody that maybe has never been inside of a recording studio?

5:47 Luke F. Walton Like, how are you having that as an end goal and actually like getting there with mic placement or plugins or gating or like what you have to?

5:55 Harry Terrell A huge thing for me that I got to shout out my OG drum teacher Dan Schnell because I'm at this point in my ethos, I'm still all about just like getting it as close as possible at the source.

6:09 Harry Terrell first things first you know tune the drums up and make sure that with the microphone because the microphone is just capturing the air that you're making by hitting the drum right so if you can get the hit right then it makes it a lot easier on a microphone so uh yeah i gotta shout out dan chanel for teaching me how to tune drums properly then once you kind of get the drums for me once i get the drums at like the pitch that i want them or sort of like almost like i don't want to say genre specific

6:37 Harry Terrell specific but like style specific you know if i'm like going for like a kind of like motown sounding break or something like i'll start with the drums like okay which because i have like five kits you know like okay which kit is going to get me to that to that sound that i'm looking for as quickly as possible from the from the get-go instead of like trying to transform you know something else into what i'm looking for

7:03 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

7:04 Harry Terrell i'm trying to think of like a good like a i feel like there's a good food analogy or something where it'd be like

7:09 Luke F. Walton like like going from the sauce versus like the ingredients of it maybe yeah

7:13 Harry Terrell yeah or like like if you want to make like a nice fresh salad you know you got to get the right kind of lettuce to start you know uh depends what you like if you don't like if you're trying to make like a caesar salad but you bought like arugula like it's going to be a different thing you know

7:29 Harry Terrell and then i'll use a various array of tools and like kind of garbage and like old clothes and random shit that i have to and also like also like moon gels and there's like a couple like very drummer products that i have that i use to like

7:49 Harry Terrell basically reduce overtones that are building up in certain ways that i don't like or things ringing out that i can i really do like every part of the music process for myself at least also for other people but for myself i do it all and so like when i'm like

8:04 Harry Terrell i know that i was when i did that one mix on that one song where i didn't think about this early on it was a pain in the ass later Yes. so now i'm like get ahead of it so when i get down the line i'm like making it easier on myself it's like what's the sound i want what what i want it to sound like in the end and like starting somewhere

8:23 Luke F. Walton mm-hmm i

8:24 Harry Terrell that will help me later.

8:26 Luke F. Walton actually think that's one of the things like going back to that first question that helps me define where we're at musically right now is i think there are more musicians that think like that than ever before because we all have to wear different hats everybody's mixing everybody's doing everything just because you have to and it's also fun like we can like those things i think used to be so reserved for the people like in like literal white coats and now it's so democratized you

8:49 Luke F. Walton is to the extent where yeah we're all we all know what it's like to have a snare drum that just can't sit in a mix or you're you're like having to fight between two extremes where you're like wanting to gate things because they're ringing out too much but at the same time you're losing like ghost notes you're losing some of the vibe and the dynamics and then when you have a whole bunch of people in a room or a bunch of people working on an individual track that all have that individual experience that's it's pretty powerful and i think it overcomes some some things in the past

9:15 Harry Terrell absolutely yeah i mean i've i've been noticing that more and more recently it's like everyone i meet that is like keeps themselves inspired and busy and just like excited about what's going on i feel like they do so many people do so many things it's like oh yeah i like direct music videos but i'm also like an artist and i also like do lights and i also like work at this shop and i like or whatever like

9:40 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

9:41 Harry Terrell i don't know i feel like everyone is just yeah had people who are you recording and producing and mixing and mastering and also like work started a label and like like it's just like everyone is doing so much stuff right now which is obviously like a product of like extreme hyper capitalism and

10:01 Harry Terrell Yeah like the cost of living has increased and like the the attention span of the entire ether of humans is like shortened like

10:12 Harry Terrell so many times over that it's like you have to be doing all this stuff to like stay tapped into like a culture's movement so fast

10:21 Luke F. Walton yeah i'm also super curious too because like when i was touring more it my life was so up and down based on like if i had a tour or you know and then i just like trying to figure out other things from teaching to recording or whatever to like create some sort of floor in my life so it wasn't like i made no money this month

10:39 Luke F. Walton um what is it what is it like as a touring musician now in terms of like you have your own project you have your duo you have you know session work and touring and like how do you juggle all that how do you prioritize things and how has it changed maybe pre versus post pandemic yes

10:56 Harry Terrell Sure. Yeah. Pre-pandemic was, I mean, the answer is there's no way around the instability, right? It's just

11:04 Luke F. Walton right

11:05 Harry Terrell The way the way that it is is that it's just You're a freelancer, right? Right. So it's like the work comes and then it goes and then more work comes and then it goes but it's also like at the same time you're and I try not to i try not to make myself feel too sterile but at a certain there's a certain degree to which you have to think of yourself like as a business right which like nobody wants you

11:29 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

11:30 Harry Terrell know no one is excited no artist is excited about doing that but it's like you kind of have to and so it's like the for me it is absolutely whiplash every time i'm like touring and i'm back there's a there's a momentum whiplash because it's like when when you're touring it's like

11:45 Harry Terrell like especially at like a certain level it's you know you have to be here at this time and here at this time and everyone shows up to do their job and it's like there's this it's this weird mix of you're obviously in a different place every day and there's different settings and different surroundings but it's pretty much a routine

12:04 Harry Terrell like to a certain degree so there is a routine but it's also you're not in your own space so your nervous system is sort of like always activated so then that that whole thing sort of entirely flips where all of a sudden your surroundings are the same are the same every day and they're familiar and comfortable but then you don't have the routine so a few things for me that have really like

12:32 Harry Terrell helped to keep my my head on straight is doing what i can to keep the momentum going like so so like sometimes sometimes that involves like not really telling people that i'm gone so that they don't really know so when

12:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

12:46 Harry Terrell i get back it's like i kind of was never gone which that one doesn't really work but i've tried it um but yeah like trying to set up sessions for when i'm home and even if it's like

12:59 Harry Terrell to me it's like like yes musicians should high value offering to the world and should be paid for that and whatever but it's also like

13:09 Harry Terrell if there's something i want to do just to keep my momentum going i'm not the i'm not really like trying to hammer out the rate you know what i mean i

13:17 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

13:17 Harry Terrell just want

13:18 Luke F. Walton I know

13:18 Harry Terrell to what be you doing

13:18 Luke F. Walton mean.

13:18 Harry Terrell stuff uh

13:20 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

13:20 Harry Terrell and you know you never know where anything leads that's that's another thing it kind of goes back to the like thinking of yourself as a business like you have to put in sweat equity into your business you know which has been a huge thing for me and so so many things that i've done for no money or because they seemed exciting or because

13:39 Harry Terrell may i don't know whatever i was interested uh you know money aside have led to things that were good for my business you know down the line and so i really try to just kind of take it one punch at a time and just be like do i want to do this

13:57 Harry Terrell like period and kind of the answer is no no matter what the price tag is i'm kind of out and if the answer is yes no matter what the price tag is and i'm probably another thing is the the actual like personal wellness stuff like making sure i'm not eating like shit while i'm traveling um trying to keep up some sort of stretch slash yoga routine um which is really hard to find the time for but when i do

14:46 Harry Terrell at the end of the day it's like if there's not enough time to sleep there just isn't enough time to sleep and that's you just go and then you can recharge you'll be able to recharge yeah

14:58 Luke F. Walton And I really like that concept of momentum with as much balance as you can, like centering yourself as much as you can on that like. because just like momentum can come both ways you can have momentum for eating poorly like for whatever reason i don't know what it is the more like the more days in a row that i eat out the more that my brain is like i need like more salt fat sugar it

15:20 Harry Terrell Interesting.

15:21 Luke F. Walton just starts like looping

15:22 Harry Terrell It's

15:22 Luke F. Walton in that

15:22 Harry Terrell like compounds

15:22 Luke F. Walton direction exactly

15:22 Harry Terrell on itself.

15:23 Luke F. Walton exactly i start to crave those things and i'm like whoa i gotta like bring it back but um same thing with like actually getting work and staying in it and like having the emails coming in and stuff like that i've had moments where they just dried up and you have to create your own again otherwise it just won't come back

15:41 Harry Terrell and a big thing for me as well is not waiting around for

15:46 Luke F. Walton You're cool.

15:47 Harry Terrell that stuff you know like yeah of course the emails are going to drive someone there's going to be a month where no one has stuff that they want you to be doing so it's like you wake up on monday with no plans it's like okay do i just sit around and wait all day well no what am i inspired to do that would also maybe be like productive for my own well-being my own my business whatever

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17:45 Harry Terrell I just finished up or I'm almost finished up with a solo record, which has basically been something I've been working on for years and have like. i sort of fell off this sort of happened to me where like Okay. the momentum on it kind of stops and

17:59 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

17:59 Harry Terrell it was really hard to find it again and like sort of a year or year and a half where i was really busy with other stuff went by where i didn't even think about the solo stuff i like wasn't even and i would you know i'd think like once a month like oh man i wonder how it sounds like maybe maybe i gotta get back to that and then there was a point where i had a couple months free i was like

18:21 Harry Terrell let's go this is the time open that shit up and then all of a sudden where i had i had a month free i think it was like december or january or something like that last year and i could have woken up and been like oh man what am i gonna do today but instead it was like okay opening up that session gonna gotta add this and then today it's like oh now i'm starting

18:43 Harry Terrell now that i've given myself enough time to look at this thing as a whole piece my brain is starting to do the work itself and i feel the momentum and then what happened is i had a month of touring at the end of that period and i totally lost the momentum on it and i got home and i was like oh i don't even want to hear that i don't even know whatever and it took the

19:05 Harry Terrell uh it took me showing it to my friend who then was like dude this is sick what are you going to do with it and i was like i don't know i think i'm going to abandon it he was like no dude you gotta finish this like do you want help and i was like i would actually love some help and so he came over his name is landon fleshman he's great he goes by uh boy willows he came over and just like helped me finish stuff and

19:27 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

19:28 Harry Terrell then basically by the end of this one like this this second two-week period of this year i was almost done with the record and he and i wrote a new song together which was great

19:37 Luke F. Walton Beautiful. That's a beautiful record. I really, really loved listening

19:40 Harry Terrell Thank

19:41 Luke F. Walton to

19:41 Harry Terrell you.

19:41 Luke F. Walton it. I'm super excited for everyone to hear it as well.

19:43 Harry Terrell Okay, great.

19:44 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

19:44 Harry Terrell I'm kind of curious what your takes were.

19:47 Luke F. Walton for sure. I mean, yeah, I think that one of the things I found most refreshing in what your work was and also the breathing effect was just that feeling of sense of like space location, trying to find humanity, but not in a way that feels like a... I don't know, just an outright folk record or something?

20:07 Harry Terrell Hmm.

20:07 Luke F. Walton Like something that still feels like it's in a modern electronic world, but

20:12 Harry Terrell Sure.

20:12 Luke F. Walton I can hear the humans inside of it, you

20:15 Harry Terrell Oh, man, I know? love that. I love that take. I mean, that is that is especially specific to the breathing effect, I would say,

20:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

20:22 Harry Terrell which

20:22 Luke F. Walton yeah, yeah.

20:24 Harry Terrell For those listening that do not know the breathing effect is my my band with my my best friend Eli shout out Eli Goss different chairs He's he's doing some very cool stuff

20:34 Luke F. Walton And that was the song we were talking about, iPod Dealer.

20:35 Harry Terrell Yeah, iPod dealer so that song just came out two days three days ago three days ago, which we're all very excited about Eli might might join us later.

20:44 Harry Terrell I'm not sure but yeah we we started basically the breathing effect has been eli and i for 10 plus years but then about two years ago we started playing with three other people kind of in a live setting and started actually doing some writing together which was one of the first times we had we had really done that in a band setting and that was sort of one of the our favorite things that came out of this like jam sleepover weekend that we had as a band uh

21:10 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

21:12 Harry Terrell And it was something that we totally improvised. and it just sort of it just sort of came out in like this free jam sort of setting and yeah that felt very human and we we've always sort of been especially eli is very he's very uh like directed in this kind of esoteric artist way where it's like he's always very much looking for the the human sort of distilled version of music where it's like very authentic but also pushing boundaries and also

21:42 Harry Terrell um is like of the time but not in a way that's um like cliche or something

21:49 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

21:49 Harry Terrell like

21:50 Luke F. Walton yeah, yeah.

21:50 Harry Terrell um

21:51 Luke F. Walton I get what you're saying.

21:51 Harry Terrell so yeah definitely that song has like this human element that we all were like attached to and we we kind of we actually this this song

22:01 Harry Terrell we did it in this jam that we we wrote it and then like the next weekend we sort of did another session where we recorded this song and we did it here in my studio that you can sort of see behind me and we were working on that for like a month and then we did a little tour last year uh pretty much our first tour ever which was really really fun and we were playing that song every night and the band was getting really tight and then at the end of the tour eli was basically like

22:29 Harry Terrell dude that it's not right we didn't recapture it right it doesn't give the feeling that we we are now able to pull out of it as

22:38 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

22:39 Harry Terrell after having played 10 shows

22:40 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

22:40 Harry Terrell where we played i feel like we all kind of understood the song a little more and i was actually fighting him at first which is is a huge um it's it's totally our mo is like we make something

22:54 Harry Terrell i get attached he's pushing the boundaries is like no dude we have to like try it again and i'm like ah dude this thing and then we sort of end up deciding the way we can do it better and then we do it together and it turns out usually he's right and we were supposed to do it again and i'm like okay yeah this is the one um so yeah i really appreciate him being able to like push those boundaries all the time um but then the second when we did it after that tour we basically got back and had you

23:21 Harry Terrell like three days after we got back from that tour we recorded the song down in downtown la with um pat howard i don't know if you know pat howard

23:28 Luke F. Walton I

23:28 Harry Terrell from

23:28 Luke F. Walton don't

23:28 Harry Terrell magic

23:28 Luke F. Walton know if I do.

23:28 Harry Terrell oh cool nice yeah amazing drummer producer engineer um and he's got a sweet studio in downtown la and

23:37 Luke F. Walton Nice.

23:38 Harry Terrell we basically hit him up and we're like yo dude can we record this one song with you at your studio he's got a tash cam 388 we did the we did the whole basic tracking straight to his tape machine live like with no click um

23:52 Luke F. Walton Cool, cool.

23:52 Harry Terrell and it was an amazing day and it turned out so great and then we kept producing it for the next you know

24:00 Harry Terrell few months which is like always hard because eli's busy with his solo thing i'm like touring with other artists so i'm like in and out of town and we're doing our best to like find the time to do it together which we've done pretty successfully i mean we've been a band for 12 years

24:18 Luke F. Walton Wow,

24:18 Harry Terrell now so it's

24:18 Luke F. Walton cool. Yeah.

24:19 Harry Terrell like you know it's always like this and we've the band has transformed many times over and over again um

24:26 Harry Terrell but yeah we came out with a with a with a with an extremely yeah human dynamic sort of sounding recording um that i'm i'm really happy with it's one of my favorite things that i've ever been a part of for sure so appreciate you listening

24:41 Luke F. Walton yeah

24:42 Harry Terrell to it and

24:42 Luke F. Walton yeah

24:42 Harry Terrell picking up on that human vibe

24:44 Luke F. Walton good good i'm glad i also wanted to talk to you about um just like you're saying coming in and out of the road i know you play with still woozy Um, what, what has that been like, obviously like that. Music absolutely blew up. I'm sure that you've played some incredible rooms. What's that touring experience look like for you?

25:03 Harry Terrell oh man it is truly the the greatest job i've ever had um amazing crew Still Woozy his name is fen he's very very sweet and uh really talented it's basically a little family actually the bass player in the band who has been in the band since before my time even they've they've been playing together a long time she is actually his sister-in-law so

25:28 Luke F. Walton Oh, really? I didn't

25:29 Harry Terrell it's

25:29 Luke F. Walton know that.

25:29 Harry Terrell truly a family affair and then the newest member of the band who started playing with us was that just like yeah i guess just last year his name's caleb buchanan who i'm pretty sure you know maybe but yeah it's me caleb tawny and sven is the band and it's just such a great vibe everyone is super nice to each other and it's just very it has this family dynamic where it's like you know

25:49 Harry Terrell people are not afraid to tell the truth but it's like we're laughing our asses off all the time and

25:54 Luke F. Walton Uh-huh.

25:54 Harry Terrell people are silly and you know there's some hard moments but it's like always touring there's hard moments but yeah it's a great beyond the band it's also a great crew we have basically a 10-piece crew total love absolutely love the tour manager and our engineers it's just a great squad the the shows themselves are so fun though also stressful uh

26:16 Luke F. Walton but

26:16 Harry Terrell specifically for me um

26:17 Luke F. Walton it seems

26:18 Harry Terrell maybe

26:18 Luke F. Walton like you have a

26:19 Harry Terrell for everyone else you too but

26:20 Luke F. Walton have a tough gig with this

26:21 Harry Terrell i

26:21 Luke F. Walton one

26:22 Harry Terrell got a bit of a tough gig because it's like i don't we're not quite at the level where i can have a drum tech so i'm doing all my own drum teching but i'm also like uh there's like you know backing tracks so i'm like also the tracks guy and so that's all running from my riser and

26:37 Luke F. Walton Oh,

26:38 Harry Terrell so my

26:38 Luke F. Walton cool. Yeah.

26:39 Harry Terrell and then i'm also singing background vocals

26:41 Luke F. Walton for Oh,

26:41 Harry Terrell that second

26:41 Luke F. Walton no way.

26:41 Harry Terrell yeah

26:42 Luke F. Walton I didn't know that too.

26:43 Harry Terrell so and then i also i'm triggering all the tracks like during the show and i have a talkback mic where i'm like telling people stuff so it's actually when you look at my i wish i had a picture of fill up of my of my

26:55 Harry Terrell space station but it's basically sitting at the then i also have all these like electronic triggers stuff like i have an spd and like i have a second kick pedal next to my acoustic kick pedal it's just an electronic kick pedal so i'm like switching back it's a very hybrid kit actually and it's it's actually doing this setup has given me a lot of ideas over the past few years um to do stuff like this uh

27:17 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

27:17 Harry Terrell because basically what happened is i started playing with Still Woozy in 2021 and pretty much what happened is they were just like learn all the songs and i was like wait but there's all these samples what are we gonna and then i talked to the engineer guy at the time who sent me some samples and i kind of

27:37 Harry Terrell kind of built my own little hybrid kit where there's like the SPD but there's also an electronic kick pedal with the SPD but then there's also these triggers to have like layers on a bunch of the drums Yeah, and

27:49 Luke F. Walton cool.

27:49 Harry Terrell so like each song has like a different kit and every song sounds different and then the kit changes with the MIDI playback so it's like there's it's all it's all pretty automated but yeah

28:00 Luke F. Walton Describing your space station in terms of

28:02 Harry Terrell yeah

28:02 Luke F. Walton like drum

28:02 Harry Terrell so when you so when you when you if you like pov look at my space station it's like drums and electronics and then it's like my vocal it's like it's like this it's like my vocal mic is here and my talkback is like is like over here and the talkback's on a switch so i have to remember to like turn it on and off back and forth to like sing and then like say shit say shit to the band and then like over off to the left is like the whole tracks situation so yeah it's it's definitely a little stressful especially when it's like

28:31 Harry Terrell like uh not now at this point we've done so many shows that it's

28:35 Luke F. Walton like Yeah.

28:35 Harry Terrell ingrained but especially in the beginning i was like okay hope this hope this works out but i actually really like my role because it's sort of like one foot in the crew as well

28:44 Luke F. Walton Oh,

28:44 Harry Terrell so

28:45 Luke F. Walton cool.

28:45 Harry Terrell like

28:45 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

28:45 Harry Terrell i'm talking to our engineers a lot about like if this sound has too much of this or if like it's possible to do this or if it makes more sense to change this thing

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29:46 Harry Terrell There's been times where like if they're having trouble because of a weird sounding room I'll

29:50 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

29:50 Harry Terrell like booster cut something on the electronic stuff or i'll cut a cymbal you know or whatever i mean that whole kit has given me a lot of ideas like to do stuff with ableton where you're like like using audio to trigger electronic drum layers which kind of goes back to the first thing we were talking about about how like now there's technology that allows for or like i don't know if you can see i have this i

30:14 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

30:14 Harry Terrell have this electronic

30:15 Luke F. Walton Trigger

30:15 Harry Terrell drum

30:15 Luke F. Walton it.

30:15 Harry Terrell kit set

30:16 Luke F. Walton Yes,

30:16 Harry Terrell up behind

30:16 Luke F. Walton yes, yes. Yep. Yep. Yep.

30:17 Harry Terrell which like i don't use for the sounds that are in there i just use it as a midi controller and

30:21 Luke F. Walton Cool.

30:22 Harry Terrell so i have a bunch of drum kits like drum racks in ableton that i'm like controlling with that as a midi controller to sort of like give it this human feel so it doesn't just feel like i'm like

30:34 Harry Terrell you know like i can play it like i can really play into the effect too which is one of my favorite things you know playing

30:41 Luke F. Walton Yep, I totally know.

30:42 Harry Terrell with Still Woozy has been really really good for me for for like a lot of reasons but i mean i haven't even talked about the shows are so fun mostly because well the music is great i love the music it's

30:53 Luke F. Walton Music yeah

30:54 Harry Terrell especially great for my style my like drumming style too i just kind of kind of fit right in and sven is really cool about like he he has really good taste and you know if ever i'm overplaying he'll say like a little like maybe we could chill this out we could try this here but basically it kind of lets me have free reign and i kind of just play because i already play in a very similar style complimentary to his music so it's it was like a really good fit and he just brings the energy

31:20 Harry Terrell he is just jumping around especially him him and tony and caleb too i mean all of them are just running around the stage and just putting on like such a great show and the light show is really fun too and you know i mean you obviously have played quite a bit you know what you give to the audience

31:36 Harry Terrell is only what they give to you you know yeah it's very symbiotic relationship where it's like if they are in it it energizes you and you give it right back to them and most shows i would say that energy is extremely palpable and so that makes it really really fun um but yeah i mean we've hit some some of my absolute bucket list venues in the last year um so that's

32:01 Luke F. Walton What

32:01 Harry Terrell been like

32:02 Luke F. Walton are some of those? I want to hear.

32:03 Harry Terrell uh red rocks

32:04 Luke F. Walton Yes,

32:05 Harry Terrell is probably one of my favorites both greek theaters which i'm i'm an la native i grew up in la i grew up going to the greek theater i was always like oh yeah la is the one berkeley who knows about berkeley but then we got i've never been there before we played the berkeley one i was like oh my god this one is crazy and then we played the la greek

32:26 Harry Terrell and it was that same thing in the other direction the crowd was sort of a very la crowd and

32:31 Luke F. Walton Mm-hmm.

32:31 Harry Terrell they were like you know a lot of people kind of crossing their arms and being like

32:36 Harry Terrell what what do you have to offer us you know we are the great city of entertainment and entertain us it Are you not entertained?

32:43 Harry Terrell you know that kind of thing it was still a really fun show but i definitely personally had more fun at the berkeley greek than at the la greek which i was not expecting at all because i've been going to la my whole life i was like oh my god i can't believe anyway yeah so that was that was huge there's a lot of outdoor amphitheaters that we do i guess that's kind of the size especially in the summer it's

33:06 Luke F. Walton Yeah, that's

33:07 Harry Terrell like kind

33:07 Luke F. Walton nice.

33:07 Harry Terrell of a little bit bigger than that like three four thousand cap theater vibe the next step is sort of these outdoor amphitheaters where it's like five six thousand in the summer outdoors which is like i mean come on what's you know what's better than that just a couple weeks ago we played it's called celebrate brick wall and

33:26 Luke F. Walton I love breast food play.

33:27 Harry Terrell i used to live in new york and

33:28 Luke F. Walton Cool.

33:29 Harry Terrell i use i love prospect park is one of my favorite

33:31 Luke F. Walton Awesome

33:32 Harry Terrell cities

33:32 Luke F. Walton place.

33:32 Harry Terrell in the states

33:33 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

33:33 Harry Terrell for for for sure so yeah being able to play there was amazing we played the oh what was it called oh two hammersmith in london that was a really great venue pretty much every venue we play is is pretty pretty excellent because it's like i don't love when you get up to that giant size like you're playing arenas or whatever none

33:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

33:55 Harry Terrell of those spaces are that can accommodate that many people are really for music

34:00 Luke F. Walton Right.

34:00 Harry Terrell so

34:00 Luke F. Walton Exactly.

34:01 Harry Terrell it's like it's kind of a weird vibe it's like in a fucking sports stadium

34:06 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

34:06 Harry Terrell or arena

34:07 Luke F. Walton I

34:07 Harry Terrell or whatever

34:07 Luke F. Walton did

34:07 Harry Terrell oh

34:08 Luke F. Walton a hockey arena tour. That was bizarre

34:11 Harry Terrell god dude

34:11 Luke F. Walton through Canada.

34:12 Harry Terrell i hear those are bizarre oh especially in canada oh yeah

34:15 Luke F. Walton Hell yeah, man.

34:16 Harry Terrell oh yeah who are you playing with

34:19 Luke F. Walton I was playing Doobie Brothers. the opening act too it's really it's

34:24 Harry Terrell oh

34:24 Luke F. Walton really sick but it was really funny because i felt like so rock guitar you know like you're in a stadium and you're just like big chords you know like the the nuance and like the funky thing just gets distilled distilled distilled you're like oh this is how acdc happens yeah

34:39 Harry Terrell right right yeah the drop you can't achieve there's a certain amount of like tight dryness that you just cannot achieve in certain settings

34:49 Luke F. Walton It's totally and it's like I've seen wolf pack in a large venue like that too and it's very similar of like this is a different band still great still great But it was like this is a different genre entirely just based on sense of space

35:02 Harry Terrell That's so interesting.

35:03 Luke F. Walton yeah i

35:03 Harry Terrell Why do you think that is? Just because of the space itself?

35:07 Luke F. Walton think i think it's i think it's a lot of factors i think one of it one of the factors is what you're saying that feedback loop between audience and artist is like you're on stage you're playing a rock concert and you're not going to be hitting your drums like

35:19 Harry Terrell right

35:19 Luke F. Walton You

35:19 Harry Terrell that's

35:20 Luke F. Walton know what I mean?

35:20 Harry Terrell a good point

35:20 Luke F. Walton I feel like that's a little bit of it. Some of it too is just like, yeah, there's natural reverberance within the arena or whatever.

35:27 Harry Terrell probably musicians are responding to that as well right like

35:30 Luke F. Walton Right. True.

35:31 Harry Terrell they're trying to play to that that then changes the music in a way that maybe suits the venue better but it changes the chemical makeup of the music itself

35:40 Luke F. Walton Right. Right. And nothing wrong with it. It's just it is kind of fascinating to just see.

35:45 Luke F. Walton and like a good example is i saw thundercat in a large space like that and the band just did not adapt whatsoever just was the exact same thing and then i saw thundercat in like a tight dry bass heavy cedar and it was like that was the best the outdoor giant festival experience was like it was just a bunch of like you know like i couldn't I couldn't make out the cursive lettering, so to speak, you know?

36:11 Harry Terrell right yeah that that is tough i feel like there's there's so many little sub genres that are so hot have been so hot for the past five years that really sort of require this like tight kind of dry thing

36:26 Luke F. Walton Yes.

36:27 Harry Terrell uh that it's interesting to see like some of this make it to you know the big pop level and be like yeah you can't you know you

36:38 Luke F. Walton yeah totally

36:38 Harry Terrell gotta change something totally

36:40 Luke F. Walton and it's fascinating to see the things that have to change and the things that don't like billy eilish i think is a good example of like bedroom pop goes stadium they've done a good job of like the live shows still rip they're really cool slightly different but just i think you need really good engineers on that stuff too just to make it work otherwise like if i'm playing at like my own music which i don't have a front house

37:02 Luke F. Walton person um it's it's hard for me to hear what i'm singing it's like everything's a new adventure something's gonna go wrong nobody else is there to fix

37:12 Harry Terrell Go up to soundcheck.

37:14 Luke F. Walton I do, but then it all changes.

37:15 Harry Terrell yeah right i know it's tough it's tough when you don't you can't depend that that is a huge pleasure of the still woozy crew i

37:23 Luke F. Walton Yeah, yeah.

37:24 Harry Terrell know that even if it's like a festival we only have a little time to to change over i know that like our modern engineer mike who's my fucking boy mike reina i know he is just gonna have the ears just right and all right no i know i mean sadly i'll never get to hear the show the show from front

37:43 Luke F. Walton Right,

37:43 Harry Terrell of house and

37:44 Luke F. Walton right.

37:44 Harry Terrell people playing it Yeah. but i know that our front of house engineer alice who's awesome is gonna absolutely crush it every night so it's like so nice to know that and if i drop a stick i know our our stage tech liz is there to be like you know dude you're you know like i'm like i'm so happy i can yell into the talkback mic and be like yo this is broken and someone can help you know because yeah when you're playing and look you know i'm saying all this stuff about this big touring act but it's like

38:10 Harry Terrell i've been in la for the last week now between stuff and i played like a house show and a diy show you know and it's like yeah it's obviously not like that

38:20 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

38:20 Harry Terrell you show up and you get a little sound check and maybe your band shows up but usually they're they can't so it's like okay we'll just hope for the best and you hope for the best and it's like usually fine but it's like sometimes it's a disaster and you kind of move through that

38:37 Harry Terrell but yeah so that's that's why it's such a pleasure to have that style i'm no stranger to the you know to deal with it yourself but it is such a pleasure to have people

38:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

38:48 Harry Terrell because it's like this stuff is so important too like we're saying right it's like if we're on in-ears i'm not going to play the same way

38:57 Harry Terrell for the audience unless i can hear how the microphones are like responding to what i'm doing especially with drums it's so tactile you know um and it's really it's really a lot in the drummer i think like as far as like tone goes and stuff it's like

39:13 Harry Terrell yeah obviously you need to spend time tuning and getting your getting the sonics right and the miking or whatever but it's like good drummers know how to pull sound out of the drums in a way that that people who are not good drummers do do not know

39:28 Luke F. Walton Definitely. I think that's one of the things that drummers is probably the most, but I think all that's one of the things that separates that good to great kind of musician instrument agnostic of like you put some bit of like cheaper kit in front of somebody else and they can figure out a way to make it work.

39:46 Luke F. Walton Backline drum kits, you know, that's always a fun thing to see like six different drummers play on the same like crappy drum kit that hasn't been tuned in a bunch of years and you see the guys that are really pro like. Like I got that I'm gonna put the moon gel here like okay it works. it's fun it's

40:00 Harry Terrell yeah

40:01 Luke F. Walton fun for

40:01 Harry Terrell i've

40:01 Luke F. Walton me yeah

40:01 Harry Terrell found a little drummer

40:03 Luke F. Walton ready

40:03 Harry Terrell tip for all drummers listening the thickness of the cloth that you use is is very important to how how to deaden and dampen the sound i found that specifically bandanas are like tea towels or like really thin like jersey shirt old jersey shirts are

40:20 Luke F. Walton Okay.

40:20 Harry Terrell kind of that's kind of the right thickness then i'll bring i bring these little tiny binder clips like if i'm ever playing a house kit i bring i bring a whole set of various torn up cloths and bandanas of the right thickness a bunch of little binder clips and then i'll basically fold them up into like a you know like like a hippie looking bandana kind of shape and i'll put them over the edge of the drum like i'll sort of

40:43 Harry Terrell or to cut off like a what's that shape i'll do like a protractor shape

40:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

40:48 Harry Terrell you know

40:48 Luke F. Walton yeah.

40:48 Harry Terrell and then i'll binder

40:49 Luke F. Walton Arc.

40:50 Harry Terrell clip them right

40:50 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

40:51 Harry Terrell where i feel like the overtones are really ringing out

40:54 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

40:54 Harry Terrell and so that in my opinion is you can kind of get a better range of tones than you can with the moon gels um and

41:02 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

41:03 Harry Terrell you can just stuff them in your pocket and you know it's easy i

41:07 Luke F. Walton smart

41:07 Harry Terrell mean it sounds like all gross like

41:09 Luke F. Walton yeah

41:09 Harry Terrell i don't they it's

41:09 Luke F. Walton do they do get gross

41:10 Harry Terrell kind of great to get all over everything it's kind of gross but yeah binder clips and binder clips and bananas boys

41:15 Luke F. Walton guys well i think i think that's one of the things that studio experience like wrapping it back around to like you're talking about getting the tone back out and you have to be able to hear it so that you can get the tone back out and then you're also using that experience of i've solved this problem a million times in a million different ways

41:32 Luke F. Walton is like i'm gonna put in my felix bag of tricks exactly what i need to do it as quickly as possible as diy as possible because i know that these are the constraints that i have versus if you were like we're going to practice it uh you know center staging for two weeks and dial in the set exactly you're going to have a completely different mindset

41:50 Harry Terrell well you know what's really good about that mindset

41:52 Luke F. Walton Sure.

41:52 Harry Terrell that mindset has totally driven me through my whole musical career but what's really good about that mindset is that it's totally scalable like

42:00 Luke F. Walton Nice.

42:00 Harry Terrell if you bring that mindset to the soccer arena show that we're talking about you're going to end up with the same kind of solutions where it's like okay well we don't have

42:11 Harry Terrell you know whether whether it's like we don't have a drum key to tune the drums or it's like we don't have the crazy power line we need to go to bring this whatever from front of house to the booth i don't know whatever it is it's like you have to like think creatively and be solutions oriented like on the spot because it's like sometimes you're just you got you know the show must go on

42:32 Luke F. Walton Yes.

42:32 Harry Terrell the show must go on and you you got to just do it as as dirty as you got to do it to to get to the end you know you know to get to where you need to be i

42:42 Luke F. Walton I want to talk about another bag of tools, and that's music theory. So you called that out specifically when you were writing your little bio for me.

42:50 Harry Terrell don't remember that but i like

42:51 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

42:51 Harry Terrell that um

42:51 Luke F. Walton and so I want to know why. What do you love about music theory? Is it the tool set stuff? Is it like breaking down or communication stuff? What is it about music theory that made it be like, I want to talk about this?

43:02 Harry Terrell it's it's honestly was sort of one of one of my first loves of music which i didn't realize

43:08 Luke F. Walton Because

43:08 Harry Terrell yeah

43:08 Luke F. Walton a lot of people find music theory really intimidating or scary or icky or like it's going to ruin your artistic inner soul because it's going to give you math.

43:16 Harry Terrell i mean look if people want to believe that respect because it is it does change the way that you think about music 100 for me i always just wanted to know i was just i had all these questions because i took drum lessons and it was like

43:29 Harry Terrell we were you know we were reading music but it's like drums you're only really reading like rhythms and like placements right it's not you're not like reading melodies and harmony and so i had all these questions about rhythm and so that was where i obviously built my foundation and then i started taking guitar lessons and and also during this time i actually started playing saxophone in like classical school band or whatever so the combination of doing those two things at the same time

43:57 Harry Terrell had all these questions about like why why notes are you

44:01 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

44:02 Harry Terrell know what i mean like what is this what is this what is a note you know and that many years later leads me down the path of like physics and an audio like audio technology which i also love but in this earlier stage it was more like okay you take a song right it's like what what are these chords that are how are they all related and then this is sort of when i my guitar

44:25 Harry Terrell guitar teacher started being like oh well you have this thing called a major scale and it turns out that there's all these other scales and they're all like related in all these crazy ways and this started just getting me going and this was kind of at the time that i was like discovering jazz too which was really like what my background was in like high school and i ended up going to jazz school um which that's a whole other can of worms that we don't have to open up but i went to nyu and during my time at nyu i had some really

44:52 Harry Terrell really amazing music theory experiences probably the highlights of which were i had this classical like theory and aural skills class with this guy ramin argemond who uh was a very deep guy this sort of like pianist avant-garde pianist composer guy living in from new york i think he's from queens maybe and he just had this really deep way of explaining theoretical stuff and also with stefan harris who is this like

45:21 Harry Terrell it's like jazz vibraphonist who developed

45:22 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

45:23 Harry Terrell this whole listening system and these ways of approaching chords and melody and basically the two of them had a very the overlap between those two was using emotion

45:38 Harry Terrell to identify certain musical concepts like knowing where because certain notes have they kind of have a mind of their own in this way which

45:47 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

45:47 Harry Terrell i started to realize when i was younger in these guitar lessons i was like why does that that like sounds wrong but when you play it next to something that sounds right it makes them both sound even more right you know like why is what is that feeling and

46:01 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

46:01 Harry Terrell so for me in this very scientific way it's it's very uh satisfying to like understand why there are certain poles to do certain things and obviously it's very it's very idiomatic too it's right like it's like

46:16 Harry Terrell yes we're talking about western harmony you know it's like and there's all there's all kinds of other bags that i have never truly opened up and so like but within the bag i know it's like very classical but then people are always breaking rules and breaking rules and breaking rules and these ways that create new things and it's like i just wanted to know like what are what are these rules that are being broken how do i break these rules

46:39 Harry Terrell i like i know what i like i know what i don't like but like In order to push the envelope of what art can do and how I can relate to it, I want to know like how to break rules and how to abide when I feel like it's right and how to break the rules when I feel like I'm caught up in something. So it's,

46:56 Luke F. Walton The dude abides.

46:57 Harry Terrell yeah, that's absolutely right. Gotta abide, gotta abide the music theory.

47:02 Luke F. Walton but i like that though too i like i think of it like gravity and also like seasonings like we were talking about food earlier but sometimes you like even in a pop song some of the best moments are like like beatles or something these like boom we're we're changing we're doing like a metric modulation you know like in the middle of nowhere it's like okay we're um papa now or or like we're gonna borrow this chord from this other scale that shouldn't be there but you

47:27 Luke F. Walton for whatever reason just works and then the melody wraps around it in some sort of satisfying way all

47:32 Harry Terrell it creates

47:33 Luke F. Walton those things

47:33 Harry Terrell it creates a feeling right it's like

47:35 Luke F. Walton yeah yeah yeah it's a feeling right and it hooks you it brings you in i feel like it that's one of the things is like a breath of fresh air that dramatic surprise it has its own energy making an interesting choice yeah

47:47 Harry Terrell absolutely and i mean that's really what it's all about right it's like you don't know i don't know when i hear a song for the first time that i really like i don't i don't know

47:56 Harry Terrell exactly what kind of theoretical things happened that made me feel a certain way i mean at this point i've done so much of this analysis maybe at this point i sort of do when it happens but really it's not usually it's like we're and especially for just like the average listener you just feel a feeling

48:15 Harry Terrell and you respond to that feeling you don't know that it's the it's the diminished chord going to the minor chord at the end of the chorus that really like brings they really takes you there you know maybe

48:26 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

48:26 Harry Terrell maybe do after the fifth listen you're like oh it's that i love that but it's sort of the the sum of all its parts that wash over you in this way yeah i just always wanted to understand why so i could not only apply it to my own creation in my own life

48:42 Harry Terrell if but also just i'm just a very curious individual i'm always learning i'm always trying to learn i'm always trying to learn new things try new stuff so yeah i just feel like i was always asking those questions and every time i would dig every time i open a new door there would be a whole vast new room of stuff to explore and so i haven't really stopped opening the doors

49:01 Luke F. Walton Great. Sorry to interrupt this very important broadcast, but it's time for one more advertisement for myself for this podcast. What I'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars, share it with your friends. This is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow. So if you want to do this, you go onto the podcast screen, right?

49:18 Luke F. Walton You click on the dot, dot, dot on Spotify under there, it says rate show and you go and you click it five stars. If you could do that for me, that's the best way for the algorithms, all that stuff.

49:28 Luke F. Walton stuff to share it out with the world i know that it's a lot to ask but if you could please please please just please just hit those three dots and a five star would really help us out and helps us you know get the get the word out and spread the love of music so thank you if you're listening on youtube you know what to do like subscribe all that good stuff thank you so much and here's the rest of the episode and i think that music theory is one of those things that rewards you if you go that next step

49:51 Luke F. Walton deeper i think it's very easy to like think it's musical math until you start going like oh no they were able to break this rule because this really interesting voicing that they did or like oh the bass is doing this chromatic thing that

50:02 Harry Terrell Yep.

50:02 Luke F. Walton unlocks this whole extra bag that if the bass wasn't doing that all of this would sound wrong you know But like other people just see it they go. Okay, like I'm assigning numbers to everything. It's like no it's

50:13 Harry Terrell but but it kind of is that too

50:14 Luke F. Walton Okay,

50:15 Harry Terrell though you

50:15 Luke F. Walton okay hit me

50:16 Harry Terrell know i don't view that as a pejorative thing to be associated with because it's it's it is you know it's like so many

50:24 Harry Terrell so many concepts in music theory are so related to math and computer computer programming and science like i mean the reason an octave is an octave is physics you know so it's like

50:35 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

50:35 Harry Terrell that that alone when i learned that learned that that every interval in western harmony sort of has this physical relationship between the like hertz values it's just like

50:48 Harry Terrell wait what that's why that's why western harmony like when i learned that in college or i'm still learning about that but when i learned the first bit about that i was just like absolutely blown away and then all of a sudden now i'm talking to all my math computer programming science buddies about like dude it's like this and they're like oh yeah i knew it was like that but i didn't know that's what music was doing

51:09 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

51:09 Harry Terrell like isn't that cool So, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's just a deeper way of relating to art and humans and just the way things are connected.

51:19 Luke F. Walton i like that i agree one of my buddies he does neuroscience and he was studying seizures in mice and his thing was inducing and then stopping seizures midstream hopefully to be able to do the same thing in humans it was all music stuff it was all inverted waves it was like noise canceling headphones because basically what happens in a seizure you know like uh when you turn up the

51:39 Luke F. Walton the feedback knob on a delay pedal and it just starts recursively going into itself that's basically what's happening inside of your brain when somebody's having a certain type of seizure and so if you intervene and you send a pulse of a wave that is exactly against that frequency

51:54 Harry Terrell Exactly inverted

51:54 Luke F. Walton you cancel it out knock out the seizure

51:56 Harry Terrell Wow

51:56 Luke F. Walton but it's all the same dsp stuff digital signal processing the powers are uh like computer recording see

52:04 Harry Terrell wow

52:04 Luke F. Walton all the so same stuff yeah

52:06 Harry Terrell so he's probably doing max msp or something like that wow

52:09 Luke F. Walton totally yeah he was using all that stuff yep crazy

52:11 Harry Terrell that's oh

52:12 Luke F. Walton right yeah

52:12 Harry Terrell that's really cool yeah i mean that's what i'm saying you know this is this is that this is that like why why we are supposed to interact as humans type type shit you know it's like these are like foundations of being we're like peeling back this the secrets of the universe i do kind of feel that way about music theory it's like it's like a it's sort of a hard i mean it's i guess it's a soft science but it feels like the hardest science of music you know aside from like synthesizers and audio

52:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

52:41 Harry Terrell and stuff

52:41 Luke F. Walton Yeah.

52:41 Harry Terrell yeah man that's great wow i'm gonna be thinking about that sphere a bit for a while For a while. That's awesome.

52:46 Luke F. Walton Yeah, pretty cool, right? Pretty cool. And I always think about that whenever I turn up the feedback knob. I'm like, I'm giving my computer a little seizure. Not to be trifled with. Well, so I always end this podcast asking the same question. And I want you to take as much time and take this wherever you want to go with it.

53:07 Luke F. Walton This is a very simple question, but sometimes it elicits very complex and interesting answers. Chef Harry T, why do you love music?

53:16 Harry Terrell um oh man yeah there's a lot of reasons i mean i guess some of it is what i was just saying about the theory stuff about how it's like peeling back the what the universe has to offer and like

53:28 Harry Terrell the more you connect with that the more you can connect with other humans which is sort of the whole point you know of existing in my humble opinion i also love that it has powers you know it's this i mean art in general but especially music especially the way that like aural sensitivity is connected to the brain which is connected to the nervous system it really has this like healing power and this this parasympathetic reactive

53:55 Harry Terrell um quality that for me when i'm listening to music or making music uh i experience in vastly different ways depending on what i'm doing i love that people can make it theirs you know like this is an especially interesting moment for that with all the digital streaming services and stuff but it's like people don't do this as much with like painting and

54:20 Harry Terrell sculpture like the fine arts i guess people do this with books and reading and literature and poetry but you can listen to it in your absolutely own way you can create it in your own way

54:31 Harry Terrell There's nothing stopping you, especially at this point, the way you said things are so democratized now, it's like anyone can pick up a little interface or a little recorder and just kind of go for it and see what happens.

54:44 Harry Terrell Any person can have any collection of records, CDs, cassettes, digital audio, be streaming, be listening to music while they do stuff or an active listening session where they're not doing anything. It's very personal.

54:54 Harry Terrell and it's yet another vehicle for for humans to be able to connect with one another and i you know i'm not doing music things every second of every day of my of my life but most of my favorite people even especially non-musicians it's

55:14 Harry Terrell a way to connect with people that i feel like doesn't exist i mean there's outside of music i feel like there's food which is like another one of my favorite things because i think it's one of the most important ways you can connect with people there's obviously you know other arts but i feel like they don't do the same thing maybe maybe literature but i feel like music has a bit it's got this visceral reaction thing because of how immediate

55:43 Harry Terrell the sound stuff is connected to your brain i guess same with smell which is and taste which is maybe why i say food you know and like you could say like love maybe but like i don't know that's a little more esoteric i just think it it's it's one of the most important things to facilitate the connection between people which is really what it's all about for me and you know the breathing effect will get an occasional message is just like

56:10 Harry Terrell hey this song like really got me through a rough time like someone in my family passed away or like a tough relationship or whatever and this song was just on repeat and it really like thank you guys for making that like it really brought me through to my next

56:25 Harry Terrell the phase of life and that's really special for me i mean that's kind of like it's not just like i'm doing it for the validation it's just like oh i'm doing it for me but it's it's also for you and it's for us together and i just think that's beautiful i guess i guess that it's just a beautiful thing totally

56:43 Luke F. Walton It really is. It's something that can, yeah, it's so cool that it can be both social and incredibly personal. It's addictive, man.

56:53 Harry Terrell i know i mean i got the bug

56:55 Luke F. Walton I got the bug too. I got the bug too. All right, where can people connect? I want them to be able to hear your record when it drops. I want them to hear your latest track. What's good?

57:06 Harry Terrell um i mean the best way to keep up with me is instagram that's kind of the only place i have enough mental space to to keep up with the posting i

57:14 Luke F. Walton Pick

57:15 Harry Terrell can't just

57:15 Luke F. Walton one,

57:15 Harry Terrell so

57:15 Luke F. Walton man. Yeah, it's wild.

57:16 Harry Terrell hard man

57:17 Luke F. Walton Yeah,

57:18 Harry Terrell that is the list of hats i wear you know individual content creator which i never wanted to be but

57:22 Luke F. Walton nobody does.

57:23 Harry Terrell uh

57:23 Luke F. Walton Well,

57:23 Harry Terrell but

57:23 Luke F. Walton some people do.

57:24 Harry Terrell yeah so i'm always posting about shows and music on on instagram you can find me there you can find my band there my i'm on spotify as a solo artist harry terrell that's me i'm my band is on

57:38 Harry Terrell all the streaming services as well the breathing effect so definitely look out for new releases there and I got a myriad of projects I work with too that I'm always excited to support and shout out so I got I'm starting a new band called big world with my homie Aviv Goldgayer so I'll send that your way when it's when it's coming and yeah yeah just send me a message i'm friendly thank

58:05 Luke F. Walton Well, thank you so much for taking the time, Harry. This is...

58:07 Harry Terrell you man it's such a pleasure to talk to you it's it's a refreshing to um refreshing this is some refreshing perspective so it's been a pleasure