{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "why-music-has-worth", "title": "Why Music Has Worth", "kind": "solo", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/Why-Music-Has-Worth-e26q7kn", "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "whisper", "model": "faster-whisper:base", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T11:14:27.735Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 0.11, "endSec": 16.37, "text": "Music Appreciation. What's good guys, it's Scoobert Doobert. Today I want to talk a little bit about" }, { "startSec": 17.49, "endSec": 44.13, "text": "one of the answers that I had to a question that my last guest, Patrick, Patrick Hart actually had.And if you haven't listened to that podcast, I invite you to check that one out.But I'm going to delve in on his question of are you making the music right now that you'remeant to make? And secondarily, does music have worth?And I want to talk about the second part first. So does music have worth?" }, { "startSec": 44.13, "endSec": 52.37, "text": "I alluded to this. I didn't want to talk his ear off. But because you're here, I'll talkear ear off. That's why you even put on this podcast, right? To have somebody talk your ear off." }, { "startSec": 53.17, "endSec": 66.05, "text": "To fill the void while you're driving or watching your dishes or something like that.At least that's what I do with my podcast. And the value of music to me is physical." }, { "startSec": 67.17, "endSec": 71.25, "text": "So a good example is there is a helicopter flying outside my apartment right now." }, { "startSec": 73.33, "endSec": 93.57, "text": "It's kind of nice because the apartment that I used to have every night there was a helicopterand it kind of reminds me of that previous apartment that I liked the location better.Anyway, this one where I'm kind of in mid suburbs, it stands out even more because it's not anightly fixture. This is a new thing where there's a helicopter overhead. It changes the scene." }, { "startSec": 93.57, "endSec": 117.16585492227979, "text": "It changes the environment. But what's changing the environment is not visually seeing the helicopter.But it's feeling and hearing the pressure of those blades chopping in the wind. The same way thatyou turn on a fan or you have a fan in the next room. And you can perceive that even before youfeel it, even before you look at it." }, { "startSec": 117.16585492227979, "endSec": 135.33, "text": "And what I'm trying to get at is not, oh, we have ears, we can hear. It's trying to say that when there is stark starkness, a blank palette, no pressurechanges, no movement in the air, and then you introduce even something as simple as a fan, be it a" }, { "startSec": 135.33, "endSec": 145.33, "text": "fan in a helicopter or a fan next to your bedside. It is perceived. And that sound in the vacuum" }, { "startSec": 146.45, "endSec": 153.97, "text": "is the equivalent of let there be light to me. The point that I was trying to make with Patrick was" }, { "startSec": 155.65, "endSec": 172.4367118644068, "text": "we are not beings of light. It took until Albert Einstein to even figure out light. And he hadto do it through all of these very complicated thought experiments. Things that were still unravelingtoday of what do things actually act like at the speed of light?" }, { "startSec": 172.4367118644068, "endSec": 197.89, "text": "What is the actual nature of light, wave, particle, something going on at the same time? Why is light the universal speed limit? Why can'tyou go faster than light? And it boggles the mind to look up at the stars and realize thata good chunk of them might not even exist anymore. It just takes so long for the light to reach us." }, { "startSec": 197.89, "endSec": 218.87220640569396, "text": "So you're looking at essentially these ghosts of stars because the light has to propagatethrough that medium for so long. Those things are really hard to conceptualize because we're notbeings of light. We're not on that scale. But I do argue that we are more beings of sound." }, { "startSec": 218.87220640569396, "endSec": 227.01, "text": "And I really don't think that they're all that different. We perceive sound to such an acute, detailed," }, { "startSec": 228.69, "endSec": 249.34, "text": "intuitive understanding. It signals danger and joy and pleasure and community, signals cultureand communication. And it's those waves that we manipulate, that we intentionally shapeto whatever form we wish and then share it with someone else." }, { "startSec": 249.34, "endSec": 276.3, "text": "That I would argue the worth of music, the worth of and let me define music as intentionally shapingaudio. It's a very broad definition. If I put a few bird sounds together with the notion wave,hey man, I made music. If you put a couple boobs and beeps together or some white noise,you made some music. It might be a tone poem. We can call it all of these different things." }, { "startSec": 276.3, "endSec": 299.3535153583618, "text": "But fundamentally, the intention and the collection of audio waves is what creates music. There'sa bunch of genres all of this. But the music, the highest, highest. And this is my definition. Youcan disagree with it. The highest definition of it for me is that." }, { "startSec": 299.3535153583618, "endSec": 308.66, "text": "So when we ask, is it worthy of anything? I say yes, not just as an art form, like Patrick was saying, but I say as a concept." }, { "startSec": 309.7, "endSec": 328.6918881118881, "text": "Because the concept of collecting and organizing waves is the same concept that governs the entireuniverse that allows us to exist. It is our best way of manipulating the physical world into away that we understand and share it with someone else." }, { "startSec": 328.6918881118881, "endSec": 344.8677757435697, "text": "And I would argue even more than light, you know, there are these cool like teamLab, art installations or maybe modern art installationsthat use lights in immersive reality in really cool ways." }, { "startSec": 344.8677757435697, "endSec": 366.76741183473786, "text": "They don't hit as hard as really good audio. The audio brings it out of the visuals. And I don't just mean in its constant presence,even in its absence, like think about some of those like classic movie scenes where there's beenunderscore the entire movie and then it just goes silent." }, { "startSec": 366.76741183473786, "endSec": 382.66, "text": "You know, I think about one of my favorite ones I acted, I did it, acted in a stage version of this play in high school, callwait until dark, Audrey Hepburn movie. And the visuals go away because she's blind in a pivotal scene." }, { "startSec": 383.7, "endSec": 405.63122077922077, "text": "And so everything is just happening in audio. I think that in visual mediums, you know, just likewe were talking about video games in the last episode, you'd lose the audio and you'd lose thesoul of the thing because the audio is what makes us makes us a lot of ways. That's what makesit so sad to think about somebody like Beethoven." }, { "startSec": 405.63122077922077, "endSec": 431.3, "text": "I would argue the greatest composer who ever lived he straddled classical into romantic at a unique sense of what made him him and it still resonatesto this day. He lost his hearing, but he continued to make music. And that makes it so tragic,but also so poetic. He retained his ability to communicate in the medium even as he lost his hearing." }, { "startSec": 431.3, "endSec": 447.8156834532374, "text": "I can handle the idea of losing my eyes. It's so much harder for me to conceptualizelosing my hearing outright because I think that, you know, what I'm doing right now, you don't seeme. You don't need to see me." }, { "startSec": 447.8156834532374, "endSec": 464.42, "text": "You're able to get what I'm getting at because I'm transmitting my waves into this microphone. It's coming out at you. A lot of ways there is a intentionality and apacing and a pitch. All these different things that go into, you know, speaking off the cuff," }, { "startSec": 465.54, "endSec": 490.85, "text": "trying to communicate. And I think that there's music in that. There's music in the way that peoplespeak. And I hope to capture some of that myself. But I think there's worth not even in it beinggood or bad, but just in the thing of itself. There's a school of philosophy called idealism." }, { "startSec": 490.85, "endSec": 511.89108991825617, "text": "And the most famous idealist is Plato. And his thing was that there's a platonic ideal.There is like a, at least this is the most simplified version of it. I don't know if he wascompletely being serious as he was doing it. But anyway, on the platonic ideal of like there isthe guitar and every other guitar tries to get at the guitar." }, { "startSec": 511.89108991825617, "endSec": 528.5577735243477, "text": "There is the desk and every idea of desk tries to get at the desk. And there's this idealistic version of a thing that we can neverquite reach. And he bases that in mathematics. He bases that in triangles and things like that.So it's like there's a perfect triangle, but we can't actually draw a perfect triangle." }, { "startSec": 528.5577735243477, "endSec": 536.29, "text": "So you know, we do our best, but you know what I'm talking about when I draw a triangle, even though it's allsquiggly and whatever. You know what I'm getting at. It's kind of what he's saying." }, { "startSec": 538.29, "endSec": 559.81, "text": "And I find that idea really romantic. And I think that that idea of having worth in something,having not just being nihilistic, not just everything is just random and by chance.There's no intention. There's no like reason to create or to consume." }, { "startSec": 559.81, "endSec": 567.441615120275, "text": "I reject it because I don't like it. And I think that it's, it's like giving up." }, { "startSec": 567.441615120275, "endSec": 588.5144928089602, "text": "There's such asense of, I don't know, I'm not accusing Patrick of being like this, but there's like thatfeeling of kind of jaded that pervades creatives, you know, because we're all trying really hard out here, you know?" }, { "startSec": 588.5144928089602, "endSec": 609.76, "text": "And I don't want that sense of being jaded to interfere with the art itself, with the thing that we're trying to get at itself. And so for those reasons, I remain an idealist.I remain committed to, you know, preaching the idea of music for music's sake." }, { "startSec": 610.56, "endSec": 622, "text": "And with that, I get to my little second part of am I making the music that I am meant to makeright now? I don't know. That's the real answer. I've been pondering that all week. How do I know that?" }, { "startSec": 623.28, "endSec": 644.6710880829016, "text": "But I will say that this path that I'm on right now with Mobius is at least my best attemptat getting that, getting to that point, whatever that point is. And it's a constantly moving target,I know, but like trying to get to that place where I feel like, yeah, this is the music that I'mmeant to make. I put on this earth to make this music, you know, kind of lofty." }, { "startSec": 644.6710880829016, "endSec": 671.76, "text": "And I don't want to bring that kind of like preciousness to music, because I think that that can inhibit the free flowof creative ideas. You're constantly a critic. You're never a creator kind of idea. And at the sametime, though, obviously, I want to make the best music I can. I want to make cool stuff and I wantit to be me. And I feel like the process of showing my face is actually important on that path." }, { "startSec": 671.76, "endSec": 686.88, "text": "I am revealing more of who I am on this series of records. So this next record is going to be calledmob or MOB and the next one called eye and the next one will be called us spelling out Mobius." }, { "startSec": 687.68, "endSec": 703.9452519893899, "text": "I alluded to that at the very end of my last record, Moonlight Beach, with Mobius and a bunch ofupside down texts, not how it ends. And what I'm trying to do with that, it'll be a bunch ofdifferent windows into this idea, like a stained glass window. You're looking at red glass, youlook in the green glass, and it's going to look slightly different." }, { "startSec": 703.9452519893899, "endSec": 730.48, "text": "It's going to be like that all trying to point at, you know, who I feel like I am past president future, that Mobiusstrip. And if you're not familiar with the idea, there's like, you know, Google it and see,because you probably should see it yourself. But there's a visual trick that makes it look likethere's no beginning and end point of this Mobius strip. They are simultaneously above and below." }, { "startSec": 730.48, "endSec": 735.76, "text": "So it's like an optical illusion. But what I'm trying to get out with this record cycle is" }, { "startSec": 737.44, "endSec": 756.3694429708223, "text": "the sense of self is an optical illusion, you know, sort of, like, so that's so definitively.The sense of self is like an optical illusion, where who you are today is slightly differentthan who you are tomorrow, slightly different than who you are yesterday, but at the same time,you maintain that concept of you." }, { "startSec": 756.3694429708223, "endSec": 771.8270977850899, "text": "And trying to find that within myself of like, okay, I remember who I was, but it is distant from who I am now. And with that awareness, who I will becomewill probably be distant from who I am now as well." }, { "startSec": 771.8270977850899, "endSec": 791.8285090160547, "text": "But I remain this Mobius strip, constantly me, but ever changing. There's another Greek pre-Platonic philosopher called Heraclitusand his idea, whether or not he really existed, was you'll never step in the same river twicebecause the river is always moving." }, { "startSec": 791.8285090160547, "endSec": 811.0862817516906, "text": "And it's a fun paradox because it's like, yeah, that is the river sticks, but I'm going to step in and it's always a different river because the river sticksis always moving. And that's what I'm writing my record about is that constant changing but everpersistent sense of who I am." }, { "startSec": 811.0862817516906, "endSec": 830.9624256016508, "text": "And I'm trying to get at more like who's on the inside and who's on the outside of guess with my, my photo shoots. But that's my path and that's my goal with whatI'm stepping into. And that's why I wrote, I just released two songs, one's called Stories,another one's called Memory Land, like Memory Lane." }, { "startSec": 830.9624256016508, "endSec": 851.25, "text": "Stories is trying to get inside of, you know, catastrophizing and that idea of like going over and over and you're headed on these stories orthese dreams, these illusions of reality that are distant from what reality actually is in thatself-destructive loop that, you know, everybody sometimes falls into, especially when the sun doesn't" }, { "startSec": 851.25, "endSec": 858.7862191780822, "text": "come out for multiple months and you're feeling down. Thanks, San Diego, the sun's out again,I'm a lot happier." }, { "startSec": 858.7862191780822, "endSec": 881.01, "text": "And it's like that, it's that idea of is what we see real, is what we feel realand how do you kind of control that so that you don't do something stupid and like, I don't know,say something dumb or accuse somebody of something they didn't do, you know, set stories and then Memory Land is kind of the opposite of like looking back wistfully." }, { "startSec": 881.01, "endSec": 901.7777486910994, "text": "But there's a sense of, I don't know, I think somewhat sadness of like, why can't we go back tothat? I feel like every time anybody says that, that's that's rejecting the present as well asthe future. And yeah, I wanted to write a song about both of those kind of topics and I those arepart of the things that are going on the road towards this Mobius strip." }, { "startSec": 901.7777486910994, "endSec": 917.09, "text": "But the fun thing about a Mobius strip is that there's no real beginning, no, there's no real end. So I'm going to play withthat with these record cycles. And that's why I feel like, yes, I am making the music that I'msupposed to make right now because it's a bizarre little idea and it's going to require me making," }, { "startSec": 917.89, "endSec": 935.3423297491039, "text": "I don't know, 30 or 40 songs, at least releasing 30 or 40 songs and then wrapping all backtogether for a final record that'll be remixing and twisting and mangling the ideas and the motivesthat I've presented in those previous records." }, { "startSec": 935.3423297491039, "endSec": 958.93, "text": "So it's going to be a weird little journey, but that's what I'm signing up for because it's always fun to walk through the jungle againand have a loose idea of where you're going but not exactly how you're going to get thereand hoping that, you know, the universe itself helps in the quest as, you know," }, { "startSec": 959.73, "endSec": 986.618654353562, "text": "I put a little bit of the Foley audio that I captured of the helicopters and I'm putting that intoone of my songs because I think that there is good karma in mixing mediums and referencing thingsin different places. But anyway, that's a little kind of bizarre metaphysical talking about somemy favorite people played on Beethoven to justify why I think music rocks." }, { "startSec": 986.618654353562, "endSec": 998.53, "text": "And hopefully this bycass made you love music a little bit more. And if not, you know, let me know. Maybecome on the pot and tell me why and then we can have a discussion about why music has worth." }, { "startSec": 999.57, "endSec": 1011.3162222222222, "text": "And hopefully the music that I make moving forward aligns more and more with who I am pastpresent and future. If you enjoyed this, please invite you to like and subscribe to the podas well as share it with friends." }, { "startSec": 1011.3162222222222, "endSec": 1025.9712592592593, "text": "That is a really, really big help to grow this thing.If you want to hear my music, you can find it at www.scoobertdoobert.pizza and you can listen to my new one's story and memory land. And there is another one coming out on a Friday that I'mreally excited about. Actually, one of my favorite songs that I've ever written." }, { "startSec": 1025.9712592592593, "endSec": 1047.6668110831233, "text": "I know that a lot of musicians say that for every release I will not. I will save it for the ones that I truly feelthat about and this one is one that I truly feel it about. It's a funny feeling like right beforeyou release something. Because it is the last time I get to listen to it before it becomescolored by other people's opinions. And it's a good and a bad thing." }, { "startSec": 1047.6668110831233, "endSec": 1064.2239273803525, "text": "I have songs in my catalog that I was so hyped on. And then people didn't really listen to it, didn't really get a gravitatetowards it. It kind of sours the feeling of it. And I'm trying not to let that be the case,but I'm human. That happens. But it's fun. It's all part of it." }, { "startSec": 1064.2239273803525, "endSec": 1085.2, "text": "So I get these few littlemoments of being alone with the song before I give it out to the rest of the world and that it's no longer mine. It's all of yours. So I hope you like it. And it's okay if you don't. But it'scalled getting easier. And that's going to come out on Friday. Hopefully everything gets a littleeasier coming up. Thank you for listening. Bye." } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "scoobert-url", "count": 1, "note": "Outro URL ASR typo" } ] }