{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "tristan-clopet", "title": "The Found Palette with Tristan Clopet (Crown Heights, The Infiltrator, This American Life)", "kind": "interview", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/The-Found-Palette-with-Tristan-Clopet-Crown-Heights--The-Infiltrator--This-American-Life-e395ha9", "contentStartSec": 104.212, "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "openai", "model": "gpt-4o-transcribe-diarize", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-10T03:50:46.737Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 104.212, "endSec": 112.012, "text": "What's good, everybody? I'm Scoobert Doobert. Welcome back to Love Music More, and I am joined with Tristan Clopet. Welcome to the show, man.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 112.012, "endSec": 113.662, "text": "very well pronounced thank you boy", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 113.662, "endSec": 118.812, "text": "Thank you. Thank you. I was agonizing over it. You saw the moment of pause.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 118.812, "endSec": 126.726, "text": "as soon as you said tristan i was like oh shit here we go how's it gonna come out I've heard it all, man.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 126.976, "endSec": 149.57600000000002, "text": "I would imagine. I would imagine. That's why I keep my name simple, Scoobert Doobert. So I want to talk to you about your musical journey and then kind of what it actually looks like right now to be producing for film. We were just talking about a documentary that you are mixing right now. What does it actually look like? What is the interplay, like right now, 2025 of how does the work come in?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 149.57600000000002, "endSec": 155.96800000000002, "text": "How do you decide what? What kind of direction you're taking it? How do you make that happen? Walk me through that journey.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 156.5, "endSec": 181.87315521628497, "text": "Yeah, it's, it's, it's the most common question you get from aspiring composers, film composers is like, how'd you get in? And it's an apt question because that's a lot of times the hardest part of the job, you know, is getting the gig, at least, you know, in the beginning, it's very difficult. So I guess kind of what I tell everyone is that it's such a mix of craft and art.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 181.87315521628497, "endSec": 196.482, "text": "And I feel like Art is something that you can start honing early. It's really hard to hone your craft before you're kind of like under a deadline or, you know, you're expected to solve somebody else's problem.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 197.364, "endSec": 207.06400000000002, "text": "And so that's, I feel like the best entry point to get in this is to start working with someone else as their assistant or, you know, whatever, if", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 207.06400000000002, "endSec": 207.31400000000002, "text": "And", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 207.31400000000002, "endSec": 207.464, "text": "you're", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 207.464, "endSec": 207.514, "text": "talk", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 207.514, "endSec": 207.614, "text": "starting", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 207.614, "endSec": 207.81400000000002, "text": "about", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 207.81400000000002, "endSec": 207.864, "text": "below.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 207.864, "endSec": 224.066, "text": "deadlines. I feel like out of every kind of side of the industry, producing music for any sort of visual medium seems to be the most like we needed by this weekend where, you know, constantly pressing versus like record production, there's a little bit more of. Or like, can", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 224.066, "endSec": 224.116, "text": "you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 224.116, "endSec": 224.516, "text": "we be", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 224.516, "endSec": 224.616, "text": "know", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 224.616, "endSec": 224.716, "text": "Zen", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 224.716, "endSec": 224.866, "text": "and", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 224.866, "endSec": 226.216, "text": "about it? Can we discover ourselves?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 226.216, "endSec": 251.566, "text": "that's that's like the push and pull too is like you know you hear all these stories about like great songwriters recording artists who want to you know dip their toe in that world and sometimes it goes great and you get really interesting stuff and then sometimes they are the artists are just like this is you know nobody tells me what to do like you're lucky to have my you know and and it's just it's not that world doesn't work like that", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 251.988, "endSec": 256.538, "text": "It's a very very collaborative you work at the pleasure of the president, you know", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 256.538, "endSec": 256.688, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 256.688, "endSec": 270.638, "text": "And so but that's what I love about it I love about it because I think the reason why I started as in songwriting and touring and that's that's how I know Luke and Russ or I know Luke from college, but I was in the band with them great good fun, okay, and", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 271.668, "endSec": 296.47, "text": "I had my own thing too and it was too much freedom it was like too much choice too much possibility you know and I couldn't really I was just too scatterbrained all the time and once I started working in to picture it was like oh my god there's a function for this music And for me, and I know it's not for everybody, but for me, that was like a huge key to unlock the door, getting a brief,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 296.57, "endSec": 301.37, "text": "you know, and someone saying, hey, man, this music needs to do this.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 301.92, "endSec": 306.42, "text": "What's an example of like what a brief would look like or what like some of the adjectives they might use?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 306.77, "endSec": 313.6477506112469, "text": "It's a great question. It's different every time. I did a little bit of commercial work before film.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 313.6477506112469, "endSec": 341.7, "text": "And those briefs are as you would expect them, you know, like we want something hot and poppy and, you know, of the time and like it's got to have a groove, you know, it's like the briefs in the film world are interesting because every director, showrunner, you know, these are the people that you write for, they all kind of have different ways of conveying their goals for the score. A common kind of.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 341.7, "endSec": 349.31, "text": "lineage between the person who speaks music and the person who doesn't speak music is temp score. Are you familiar with that concept?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 349.31, "endSec": 349.56, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 349.56, "endSec": 372.244, "text": "Yeah. So, you know, a lot of composers kind of hate hearing temp score. You know, you get the job, which is, as we said, the hardest thing. And then it's all easy from there. You somehow figure out what it is that they want for their project. And the best way for them to communicate that is to, a lot of them, I should say, is to kind of give them an example of what is working.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 372.244, "endSec": 389.29400000000004, "text": "And then you have to parse through what about that temp, what about it that it is that they like. And it can be a number of things. It can be as simple as like the pace of it, or it could be a solo instrument in that recording that hits them.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 389.29400000000004, "endSec": 414.212, "text": "you know and and you hope that if that's the case that it's a discernible instrument and not some like hybrid synth thing that like you know and you're just like what is that i want that and you're like i don't know what that is you know can i have a can i have a couple days to figure out what that is you know temp is like the film composer's brief sort of in a lot of instances when it's not you tend to get more rewarding rewarding", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 414.836, "endSec": 415.636, "text": "Film scores, I think", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 415.636, "endSec": 415.986, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 415.986, "endSec": 416.086, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 416.086, "endSec": 416.586, "text": "does the temp just feel", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 416.586, "endSec": 416.68600000000004, "text": "it", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 416.68600000000004, "endSec": 419.43600000000004, "text": "like it like centers you too much or like you're like, okay", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 419.43600000000004, "endSec": 419.586, "text": "can", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 419.586, "endSec": 420.43600000000004, "text": "Yeah, yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 420.43600000000004, "endSec": 420.536, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 420.536, "endSec": 433.236, "text": "because if you watch it without the temp I feel like you have that opportunity to determine your own pace a little bit to determine like not just tempo but like subdivision and like how am I flowing from there a to b", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 433.236, "endSec": 446.208, "text": "it's really interesting that you used rhythm as one of the ways that the composer might feel more free because In my opinion, and I'm not saying I'm right or wrong,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 446.208, "endSec": 446.25800000000004, "text": "Definitely", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 446.25800000000004, "endSec": 446.80800000000005, "text": "but in", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 446.80800000000005, "endSec": 447.55800000000005, "text": "more right than I am.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 447.55800000000005, "endSec": 466.608, "text": "my opinion, rhythm is one of the least negotiable things. Subdivision, you know, as an extension of that is one of the least negotiable things because the rhythm has already been sort of established by the editor, unless you kind of have like this big expansive.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 467.348, "endSec": 472.148, "text": "you know sequence where there's long shots you know you have a lot more room to play with but", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 472.148, "endSec": 485.44800000000004, "text": "And for the people just so that we can understand kind of the process, is it fairly linear where it's like the film is pretty much picture locked and then do you like record the score and then they make editing tweaks? How does that channel kind of flow?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 485.44800000000004, "endSec": 493.92600000000004, "text": "yeah most of the time it's you're working to picture and and you know you have a tight deadline because you're last in line or you're working consequently with with you know special", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 493.92600000000004, "endSec": 494.17600000000004, "text": "Yes,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 494.17600000000004, "endSec": 494.42600000000004, "text": "effects or", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 494.42600000000004, "endSec": 494.576, "text": "yes,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 494.576, "endSec": 494.976, "text": "whatever but", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 494.976, "endSec": 495.17600000000004, "text": "yes, yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 495.17600000000004, "endSec": 501.076, "text": "again you know and there's a common theme here the less pressured you make the composer feel the more", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 501.908, "endSec": 525.7710922693267, "text": "You'll tend to get something more, you know, intrinsic to your film or in the same DNA of your film. You know, you hear a lot of stories in the film composing world about composers with memorable scores having started, you know, way, way earlier and even having it, you know, be cut around in one film I worked on recently. And I know the director, I've worked with him in the past.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 525.7710922693267, "endSec": 554.074, "text": "I know the editor, I've worked with him in the past. and so i i was hired very early and i was writing to the script and the script has pacing it's not as kind of set in stone but the script has an inherent pacing and writing kind of just pieces of music that are bound by very little send it to them if they like it you know the editor might cut around it and and that's really cool it's it's really cool when you just when somebody else does something that dictates you you know like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 553.972, "endSec": 557.7719999999999, "text": "You know, like, you know, when you're working on TV, sometimes they have title sequences, right?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 557.872, "endSec": 558.422, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 558.922, "endSec": 580.8077664233576, "text": "And sometimes the title sequence graphics have been created and it's your job to hit the sync points. And when you have to hit the sync points, you're kind of tied rhythmically, you know, you're tied down rhythmically. More often than not, in my experience, you're writing the music and the special effects team is kind of editing to your music rhythmically or even harmonically and melodically, whatever.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 580.8077664233576, "endSec": 591.182, "text": "Yeah, you ask two really good back to back questions and the answer is for both, it completely depends. It's all, you just get everything thrown at you and you just have to like.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 591.182, "endSec": 610.02, "text": "like work around things you know because it's again and this is like kind of common with the comparison between the pop world records and and film composing is like you're just really confined a lot more in film composing and i love that a lot of people don't like that but i love feeling confined i like okay we there's only so far we can go this way", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 610.804, "endSec": 616.554, "text": "so for me that just like cuts down so much of what shouldn't happen you know what i mean um", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 616.554, "endSec": 617.404, "text": "Totally know what you mean.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 617.404, "endSec": 636.042, "text": "if i'm sitting at like a blank session and i'm like oh my god like i have an idea for a song um this is what i want to say it's like there's just an array of options and for me that's not fun for someone like you that's like hell yeah we could do anything you know start with this sound and just go from there there The", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 636.042, "endSec": 636.292, "text": "even", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 636.292, "endSec": 637.5920000000001, "text": "way my brain works is just like, oh,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 637.5920000000001, "endSec": 659.392, "text": "still like yes yes i agree i'm further on that end like the amount of decisions that i have to make especially when i'm doing a record end to end like from zero to mixed is just hilarious but like i am also doing it usually through my project or through someone else's project so there is like a fixed set of this is the general instrumentation this is the general kind of", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 659.392, "endSec": 659.542, "text": "that's cool.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 659.542, "endSec": 672.768, "text": "vibe so there's like even then it's a nebulous cloud that shifts and moves but even then there are like creative parameters that do unlock other things the most daunting thing is to sit down and be like i'm gonna start a new artist project", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 673.068, "endSec": 673.518, "text": "mm-hmm", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 673.518, "endSec": 678.318, "text": "like oh my god what do what do what do i even sound like what do i sing like how do i pronounce my words all", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 678.318, "endSec": 679.1179999999999, "text": "of course i feel", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 679.1179999999999, "endSec": 679.3679999999999, "text": "those things", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 679.3679999999999, "endSec": 682.018, "text": "like that's like a that's like a twice in a lifetime thing right like being", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 682.018, "endSec": 682.218, "text": "exactly", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 682.218, "endSec": 682.468, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 682.468, "endSec": 687.6179999999999, "text": "and like thank god could you imagine doing that i mean that'd be kind of cool actually but um", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 687.828, "endSec": 687.828, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 687.828, "endSec": 688.078, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 688.078, "endSec": 688.228, "text": "totally", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 688.228, "endSec": 700.078, "text": "even in some of these worlds, I feel like those are your anchor points are the like decisions that are made for you beforehand or the things that you can kind of hold on to in the stormy sea.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 700.978, "endSec": 712.228, "text": "totally man there's in this documentary we're mixing right now we found the palette pretty early on and it was narrow and so", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 713.076, "endSec": 737.826, "text": "in one cue bit of an action-y more action than you know um than it's not an action documentary but you know it's like someone like knocking down a door or something and that's like the biggest action in the thing but you're just like okay like we need a little bit of uh a kick drum here and it's like there's no kick drum in the score anywhere i can't use a kick drum because that's going to stick out like a sore thumb", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 738.58, "endSec": 742.7800000000001, "text": "uh i have these instruments uh it's it's kind of like an appalachia type", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 742.7800000000001, "endSec": 742.88, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 742.88, "endSec": 757.33, "text": "palette and so you're just like you know am i going to use a kick drum for one scene once one cue no i'm gonna you know these are my options you know i can't just like bring in something for this like you know so", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 757.33, "endSec": 757.4300000000001, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 757.4300000000001, "endSec": 762.956, "text": "it's just like knocking on the body of your parlor acoustic guitar you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 762.956, "endSec": 763.106, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 763.106, "endSec": 766.206, "text": "know and like making that you kick drum that's that's exciting you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 766.206, "endSec": 766.456, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 766.456, "endSec": 771.356, "text": "know confines you ever read that book art of i think it's called the art of choosing or the art of choice", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 771.606, "endSec": 773.0200000000001, "text": "No, I haven't. sounds", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 773.0200000000001, "endSec": 773.1700000000001, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 773.1700000000001, "endSec": 773.57, "text": "up my alley", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 773.57, "endSec": 778.7700000000001, "text": "that science basically laid out where it's just like the more choice we have the the less happy we are", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 778.7700000000001, "endSec": 778.87, "text": "i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 778.87, "endSec": 779.1700000000001, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 779.1700000000001, "endSec": 799.22, "text": "took a class on that i don't know if it was one-to-one the same book but it was like the the science of happiness is like an elective and it was it was great it was the same kind of thing where they were showing study after study after study of like the grocery store actually makes people unhappy because there's just too many boxes of cereal and like we have this illusion of choice at the same time as", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 799.38, "endSec": 802.58, "text": "is like the paralysis of choice. It's kind of the worst of both worlds.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 802.4716667499999, "endSec": 809.27166675, "text": "Exactly. Exactly. And there's like, there's been some studies on that, that restaurants have like adopted, you know, we have five mains on the menu,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 809.27166675, "endSec": 809.37166675, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 809.37166675, "endSec": 809.4716667499999, "text": "you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 809.4716667499999, "endSec": 809.77166675, "text": "right and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 809.77166675, "endSec": 810.27166675, "text": "know, we don't", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 810.27166675, "endSec": 810.52166675, "text": "i have like like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 810.52166675, "endSec": 811.62166675, "text": "a diner full of stuff.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 811.62166675, "endSec": 813.87166675, "text": "make some decisions for me you're the chef you know", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 813.87166675, "endSec": 816.71166675, "text": "Yeah, yeah, give me a fish. fish give me a white me give me", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 816.71166675, "endSec": 816.81166675, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 816.81166675, "endSec": 817.46166675, "text": "a dark meat you know", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 817.46166675, "endSec": 817.51166675, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 817.51166675, "endSec": 839.66166675, "text": "but um yeah in the book it talks about how there are like pretty successful um arranged marriages like arranged marriages are you know maybe there's other elements going into that you know pressure or whatever but yeah i just i just find it funny like the psychological comparison between you know these are my options and we can do anything we want", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 840.21966675, "endSec": 849.06966675, "text": "you know and and there are i'm sure like there are scores you know there there are definitely scores out there where it's just like we're going to use the kitchen sink and that's that's the choice you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 849.06966675, "endSec": 849.16966675, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 849.16966675, "endSec": 852.71966675, "text": "know so that anything you throw at the audience in the third act is", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 852.71966675, "endSec": 853.06966675, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 853.06966675, "endSec": 857.91966675, "text": "not going to sound out of place you know you see that movie the brutalist what'd", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 857.91966675, "endSec": 859.5196667499999, "text": "Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 859.5196667499999, "endSec": 860.0196667499999, "text": "you think", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 860.57166675, "endSec": 865.4716667499999, "text": "I liked it. I thought that it was, I'm trying to remember everything about the score now though.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 919.71966675, "endSec": 940.33966675, "text": "it's not true i know you do whatever you like like you know it's it's so funny like that wc thing where it's like you gotta learn the rules and then and then remember that there's no rules you know it feels like if you do kind of step out of the confines intentionally sometimes it can have a pretty rewarding Uh, effect.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 940.53966675, "endSec": 961.93966675, "text": "Well, I think that's why your choice of words for palette is really great. And I feel that way sometimes when I'm doing an album, too. And like I was reading about Beatles and some of their old recording sessions, and they were talking about Day in the Life and how they didn't quite have the budget to get the whole orchestra, so they were triple tracking the orchestra and it sounds a certain way.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1091.50566675, "endSec": 1094.50566675, "text": "try to I try to as much as I can in my music", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1094.50566675, "endSec": 1094.85566675, "text": "I Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1094.85566675, "endSec": 1100.75766675, "text": "try to do that because like you know all these bands that are going out playing their their big record it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1100.75766675, "endSec": 1101.65766675, "text": "yeah yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1101.65766675, "endSec": 1105.1076667500001, "text": "like sometimes it's a bummer when like the big record is front-loaded then they", "speaker": "Luke F. 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But I do think it gets way cooler if you bookend it a little bit and like have some bangers at agree the end.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1247.86366675, "endSec": 1248.81366675, "text": "i agree but we're old so", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1248.81366675, "endSec": 1254.76366675, "text": "But we're old, you know, that's how it goes. Yelling at clouds. I did it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1255.11366675, "endSec": 1256.26366675, "text": "back in my day", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1257.11366675, "endSec": 1267.36366675, "text": "So I want to talk about the transition from performing live, sharing stage with. incredible people we were talking about uh great good fine okay X", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1267.36366675, "endSec": 1267.41366675, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1267.41366675, "endSec": 1267.66366675, "text": "ambassadors", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1267.66366675, "endSec": 1267.86366675, "text": "hmm.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1267.86366675, "endSec": 1275.41366675, "text": "Weeknd i mean like tovelo billy bragg do you miss any of that excitement or do you feel it in a different way yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1275.41366675, "endSec": 1296.1576667499999, "text": "I don't really miss it, but I have a very fond memory of it. Very grateful for it. Yeah. For me, it's like if I can do music for a living and I and I don't have to sleep in like, you know what I mean? You know where I'm going with this? Yeah. I also don't love the spotlight. I don't like being on stage very much.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1296.1576667499999, "endSec": 1296.50766675, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1296.50766675, "endSec": 1313.50766675, "text": "And you kind of have to be on stage. With Great Good Fine Okay, it was great because I was next to the drummer. And I even turned my keys sideways, like staring side of the stage. And it's just like, I hope nobody looks at me. I'm going to do my thing. That's not a good recipe for touring.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1314.84366675, "endSec": 1317.99366675, "text": "yeah it's that's a good sign that's a good sign for you that you uh made", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1317.99366675, "endSec": 1322.99366675, "text": "i feel like i made the right decision yeah but but i do i really do miss being in a band that's", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1322.99366675, "endSec": 1323.54366675, "text": "yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1323.54366675, "endSec": 1323.74366675, "text": "wonderful", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1323.74366675, "endSec": 1323.94366675, "text": "right", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1351.36566675, "endSec": 1357.51566675, "text": "that's pretty amazing you know um somebody's talking about el paso the other day and i was like i've been there you know", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1357.51566675, "endSec": 1362.76566675, "text": "All right. You interrupt this very important broadcast. What I'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars. Share it with your.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1362.76566675, "endSec": 1388.71966675, "text": "with your friends this is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow so if you want to do this you go onto the podcast screen right you click on the dot dot dot on spotify under there it says rate show and you go and you click it five stars if you could do that for me that's the best way for the algorithms all this stuff to share it out with the world i know that it's a lot to ask but if you could please please please just please just hit those three dots and a five star would really help us out and helps us you know get the get the word out", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1388.73166675, "endSec": 1396.63166675, "text": "out and spread the love of music so thank you if you're listening on youtube you know what to do like subscribe all that good stuff thank you so much and uh here's the rest of the episode", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1397.0816667499998, "endSec": 1399.43166675, "text": "How why else would I go to El Paso, you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1399.43166675, "endSec": 1399.73166675, "text": "i've", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1399.73166675, "endSec": 1399.98166675, "text": "know, have", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1399.98166675, "endSec": 1402.2816667499999, "text": "never been to the dakotas that's that's a gap", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1402.2816667499999, "endSec": 1402.5316667499999, "text": "you not", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1402.5316667499999, "endSec": 1406.2596667500002, "text": "on my not a lot of shows are my", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1406.2596667500002, "endSec": 1407.05966675, "text": "Yeah, right.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1407.05966675, "endSec": 1409.15966675, "text": "world maybe", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1420.95966675, "endSec": 1423.45966675, "text": "Did you write a picture or did you have a song licensed?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1423.65966675, "endSec": 1431.10966675, "text": "done both I've done both writing a picture was definitely more fun I do think that a longer form piece would be more fun because then it would be a", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1431.4836667499999, "endSec": 1457.13366675, "text": "much more of like an immersive experience rather than a lot of what i've done has either been like i'm pitching along with a lot of other people like you know inch deep mile wide kind of work the opposite would definitely be attractive but i don't know i'm not a great generalist i can play a lot of instruments but i like i've got a pretty strong sonic fingerprint at this point that i don't know if i'd be super good at doing anything other than like tangentially", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1457.8196667500001, "endSec": 1459.5696667500001, "text": "my sound or", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1459.5696667500001, "endSec": 1460.21966675, "text": "Yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1460.21966675, "endSec": 1473.3196667500001, "text": "picture and if it was that i would i love deadlines i i like i i like making creative decisions and running um so i think i would enjoy the pace and the collaboration but yeah i would have to find the right fit i think i don't think i could just do anything yes", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1473.3196667500001, "endSec": 1477.16966675, "text": "Is your musical interest as a listener broad?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1478.26966675, "endSec": 1478.76966675, "text": "definitely", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1479.45166675, "endSec": 1479.45166675, "text": "So", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1479.45166675, "endSec": 1479.75166675, "text": "Very", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1479.75166675, "endSec": 1487.30166675, "text": "your musical interest is broad and yet you don't feel like it translates to a desire to write in those styles.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1487.99566675, "endSec": 1502.09566675, "text": "not really i i like borrow add to but i i at least for what i'm doing now and what i've kind of evolved into i feel confident and happy with kind of like my musical self and", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1530.2796667500002, "endSec": 1530.57966675, "text": "But", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1530.57966675, "endSec": 1531.12966675, "text": "all the way down not", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1531.12966675, "endSec": 1536.17966675, "text": "are you kind of doing that, you're doing that under the guise of Scoobert Doobert?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1536.47966675, "endSec": 1536.92966675, "text": "always no", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1536.92966675, "endSec": 1537.42966675, "text": "No,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1537.42966675, "endSec": 1537.57966675, "text": "i've", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1537.57966675, "endSec": 1541.67966675, "text": "okay, so this might be our song for somebody else,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1541.67966675, "endSec": 1541.7796667500002, "text": "yep", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1541.7796667500002, "endSec": 1545.1376667499999, "text": "but it kind of always... magnetizes", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1545.1376667499999, "endSec": 1545.3876667499999, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1545.3876667499999, "endSec": 1545.7376667499998, "text": "back think to,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1545.7376667499998, "endSec": 1546.1376667499999, "text": "it's yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1546.1376667499999, "endSec": 1546.33766675, "text": "right.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1546.33766675, "endSec": 1570.3876667499999, "text": "and I think it's just kind of like where my taste has gone on so many different levels I think I would be better if I had other people that I was working with if there was like another mix engineer if there was another drummer or something like that but if I'm like doing end-to-end it's just I got I have too much of myself into the final product and it just kind of sounds like me doing another genre sort of halfway which like maybe some people would be into their stuff sounding that way but uh", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1571.06766675, "endSec": 1580.26766675, "text": "I don't know if I can authentically do something like make Appalachia style. I could make an Appalachia tinged thing. Maybe", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1776.9833334999998, "endSec": 1777.4833334999998, "text": "the problem.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1777.4833334999998, "endSec": 1790.5433335, "text": "exactly Yeah, no, it's it. I'm certain it sounds terrible. It's probably it probably is the worst piece of music I've ever made and I did it professionally. So sorry, Bavaria, I've let you down.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1790.9433334999999, "endSec": 1809.6493335, "text": "no i mean it's it's it's a journey you know and like sometimes it's going to work and sometimes it's not and we make music that's what we do you know and i'm glad you took the gig I'm glad you had that experience. I've had many like that. It's, you know, it's only makes us stronger.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1809.6493335, "endSec": 1811.1993335, "text": "it's true it's true that's", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1910.4593335, "endSec": 1922.3093334999999, "text": "much man so much when i was uh really really young and youtube was just invented i thought it would be cool to get like people to check out my music by doing", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1923.0033335, "endSec": 1948.6033335, "text": "covers i used to do like these split screen covers where i'd play i'd record myself playing an instrument of time hopefully people would search for the song and then they would see the cover you know and this is not new now but back when youtube came out and it worked like people found you know people found the stuff that i was doing and then and then found my music but the reason i'm telling you this is because i learned so much learning that song in two hours", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1949.3073335, "endSec": 1974.9073335, "text": "and then performing it under pressure you know i gotta get this video up on youtube in the next whatever so it you know you search for that song and and my video comes up third or fourth or fifth or whatever man doing that you learn so much you learn so much so fast it's like that what directors say to young directors or just like you can go to film school and it'll help you or whatever but you're not going to learn until you till you do it the best advice is just go do it", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1975.4513335, "endSec": 1975.4513335, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1975.4513335, "endSec": 1982.4013335, "text": "And you know, it'll suck in the beginning and whatever your your craft will not meet your opportunity yet and you keep doing it.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 1982.4013335, "endSec": 2004.9753335, "text": "I feel that way so strongly about like tools, production tools, new VST like instrument or technical side of music creation. It's like, yes, you can take a class or whatever, but you're going to learn so much more if you just keep running into problems and blowing down the wall, especially on the technical side, because you can brute force it. on like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2004.9753335, "endSec": 2005.1753334999999, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2005.1753334999999, "endSec": 2018.0753335, "text": "i don't understand how this program works i'm going to figure out a way for this program to work like a musical instrument or playing drums or something like that your whole neurons have to change for something that's just purely technical craft just like getting in it getting your hands dirty uh", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2018.0753335, "endSec": 2018.4753335, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2018.4753335, "endSec": 2020.7753335, "text": "did the world for me", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2020.8253335, "endSec": 2043.9713335, "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I went to school a little bit for recording engineering and I remember the day that the professor was trying to teach us what compression sounds like, and it was so hard for me to hear what compression sounded like. And he would, you know, he would give us an example of like an AC/DC song, be like, do you hear that? And be like, no, I don't know what the hell you're talking about.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2043.9713335, "endSec": 2044.1213335, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2044.1213335, "endSec": 2050.8713334999998, "text": "What, you know, and then you get in and you start messing with the threshold and you're like, oh, now I get what compression is doing,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2050.9213335, "endSec": 2051.0713335, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2051.0713335, "endSec": 2053.3713334999998, "text": "what the difference between that and a limiter is.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2053.3713334999998, "endSec": 2053.7713335, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2054.2673335, "endSec": 2060.5173335, "text": "to your exactly your point get your hands on it you know and like i don't think there's any danger in this generation or the", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2060.5173335, "endSec": 2071.4893335, "text": "Yeah or the next generation of doing that i mean you're forced to do it you know but yeah Yeah, talking about Luke and Russ, those two guys are incredible. I mean, they're incredible in general.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2071.4893335, "endSec": 2071.5893335, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2071.5893335, "endSec": 2071.8393335, "text": "They're", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2071.8393335, "endSec": 2072.0893335, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2072.0893335, "endSec": 2084.0393335, "text": "incredible musicians, but they are wonderful technically too. And they've taught me so much, you know, even just sending them references or even working together on things. And even, I mean, I still work with them.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2084.5073334999997, "endSec": 2085.0073334999997, "text": "yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2085.0073334999997, "endSec": 2085.6073335, "text": "From college,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2085.6073335, "endSec": 2085.9073335, "text": "i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2085.9073335, "endSec": 2086.0073334999997, "text": "yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2086.0073334999997, "endSec": 2095.0073334999997, "text": "mean that's the biggest thing about like music school is you get to be around people that are so good that you just learn from being next to them like osmosis", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2095.0073334999997, "endSec": 2096.1073335, "text": "I didn't go to music school.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2096.1073335, "endSec": 2097.4573335, "text": "you didn't go to music school interesting", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2097.4573335, "endSec": 2103.3073335, "text": "No, I couldn't get in to the music engineering.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2103.6073335, "endSec": 2103.8573335, "text": "gotcha", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 2110.2573334999997, "endSec": 2110.3573335, "text": "yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2110.3573335, "endSec": 2111.7573334999997, "text": "but you were on a different path", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2111.7573334999997, "endSec": 2111.9073335, "text": "I", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2111.9073335, "endSec": 2112.1573335, "text": "than", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2112.1573335, "endSec": 2113.5073335, "text": "was an English major. sure i", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2113.5073335, "endSec": 2116.3573335, "text": "I know that. That's cool. Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2116.3573335, "endSec": 2126.4573335, "text": "couldn't i couldn't get in the music school because i didn't have um there was like one fucking science class i couldn't i didn't have and i'm terrible it's like chemistry or something it's like something", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2126.4573335, "endSec": 2126.6573335000003, "text": "You've", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2126.6573335000003, "endSec": 2126.9573335, "text": "really basic", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2126.9573335, "endSec": 2129.3573335, "text": "got to get chemistry to get into music school?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2129.3573335, "endSec": 2145.3913334999997, "text": "maybe it wasn't chemistry maybe it was physics i didn't take either of them i never made it that far in high school uh but yeah they they they said no thank you and uh which is cool whatever uh i went to I really enjoyed my learning there at that school.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2145.3913334999997, "endSec": 2145.8913334999997, "text": "Hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2145.8913334999997, "endSec": 2165.2633335, "text": "And then I just hung out with the music kids because I was doing my music on the side. And that's where I met so many of my friends, you know, now. But yeah, like learning so much from them. Yeah, there's just just being in the room, listening, looking, you can pick up a lot of stuff, you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2165.2633335, "endSec": 2165.4133335, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2165.4133335, "endSec": 2167.0133335, "text": "know, if you're open to it.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2167.0133335, "endSec": 2185.7133335, "text": "Yes. And if you have a certain baseline level of understanding, like one of the things that I remember early sessions versus sessions now, a lot easier to watch people and follow their workflows now because I understand most of the tools and I'm seeing how they're deployed versus in the beginning, it just was like a whir of shortcuts", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2185.7133335, "endSec": 2185.8133335, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2185.8133335, "endSec": 2186.5133335, "text": "and windows.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2186.7473335, "endSec": 2202.3473335, "text": "you're like some beautiful gui like um pops up and you're like what are all those colors you know wow what's a what's a phaser you know yeah man", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2202.6973335000002, "endSec": 2214.8913334999997, "text": "So I also I wanted to ask you about the different films and works that you're scoring. Does it does it make you nervous when you're like, all right. like martin freeman or like uh", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2214.8913334999997, "endSec": 2215.1413334999997, "text": "yeah hell", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2215.1413334999997, "endSec": 2215.6913335, "text": "you", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2215.6913335, "endSec": 2215.8413335, "text": "yeah yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2215.8413335, "endSec": 2217.5913335, "text": "know brian cranston it's like yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2217.5913335, "endSec": 2218.3413335, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2218.3413335, "endSec": 2222.7413335, "text": "okay because you're seeing you're seeing them on picture you're like this is one of the best actors", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2222.7413335, "endSec": 2222.7913335, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2222.7913335, "endSec": 2225.8913334999997, "text": "and they're like i need to be their co-star right now", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2225.9413335, "endSec": 2239.9913335, "text": "yeah man exactly uh i remember the so the first gig the reason i had to to leave um great good final k was because i i kind of always knew that film scoring was a dream and i i got offered an assistantship right is that a word assistantship apprenticeship", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2239.9913335, "endSec": 2240.2413335, "text": "it", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 2241.8453335, "endSec": 2242.1453334999997, "text": "great", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2242.1453334999997, "endSec": 2242.8953334999997, "text": "you're the English major.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2242.8953334999997, "endSec": 2267.3684821146094, "text": "composer named Chris Hagen offered me a gig as his assistant and my first project was the Infiltrator with Brian Cranston and I remember Chris was the best best possible composer to work for I mean encouraging is not the right word like And he just gave me every opportunity. I thought I was like, yeah, I'll go get coffee. You know, I work my way up, I'll take out the trash.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2267.3684821146094, "endSec": 2287.9853335, "text": "And he was like, no, I need you to do this and this and this, you know, and I started doing like a little bit of mixing. I started doing like some session setups, you know, finding him interesting instruments to build out his like templates and stuff, some routing stuff. And I remember very early on, way earlier than both of us wanted, he was under the gun.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2287.9853335, "endSec": 2312.0413335, "text": "has a composer often is in the film world and he was out in LA and he asked me to go to his studio and open up a session and work on it I can't remember what I exactly had to do and I'm writing in the cockpit now and i'm by myself he's 3 000 miles away and i'm like oh my god it's brian cranston on the freaking computer and this is right after breaking bad Oh, oh", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2312.0413335, "endSec": 2312.7413335, "text": "my God. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2312.7413335, "endSec": 2329.8413335, "text": "my god man i was so like it was like a pinch me moment it's like oh my this is so cool like this has to be good because people will watch this you know like holy shit uh so yeah it's not nerves it's actually i i love it because it", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2329.7553335000002, "endSec": 2356.4053335, "text": "it is so inspiring to know that you are it's way easier to to write music underneath Brian Cranston than it is you know um somebody who's not Brian Cranston there are way less famous actors that that I've scored like scored I don't know what the hell the verbiage is but that are just as incredible you know and it's like when you get that performance it is so inspiring it fills my heart up man makes me so happy that I'm doing what I'm doing when you're like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2357.0513335, "endSec": 2382.4013335, "text": "You know, you're completing that scene or that sequence, you know, the actor or the director, whomever, the lighting, you know, the DP, whoever is taking that scene 80% and it's your job as the composer to finish that 20%. When you do it, it is like so fulfilling, you know, it's just, it's what keeps me coming back, you know, through all the muck and all the.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2382.4013335, "endSec": 2391.0113335, "text": "tough deadlines and the you know all this stuff is like that is the feeling that I live for and you've created like something with all these other", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2391.5473334999997, "endSec": 2417.5973335, "text": "great people you know they're trying their asses off at what they're doing and like sometimes you got to do 80% of the scene and that's by design that's not because an actor is doing less it's because you know the music needs to do this in this scene or this in this montage or whatever but just kind of working with the other artists in this collage you know is so cool and there's a scene in startup season one Martin Freeman's character", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2412.61500025, "endSec": 2420.36500025, "text": "And there's a scene in StartUp season one, Martin Freeman's character is having a mental breakdown.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2420.36500025, "endSec": 2448.07700025, "text": "and he's in the car by himself he's done something that he wasn't supposed to do he regrets it and it's a pretty big consequence it's actually kind of brilliant that the director Ben Keetai just thought like what are we going to do for this how are we going to show this character kind of breaking down I'll tell you what we're going to do we're going to put a camera on Martin Freeman and we're going to let him break down for like two and a half minutes and it's like heart-stopping", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2448.95500025, "endSec": 2463.10500025, "text": "just watching this this guy go through all the million options in his head of how he's going to get out of what he did and he's sitting in a car like he's in the front seat of the car the car's not moving he's", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2463.10500025, "endSec": 2463.55500025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2463.55500025, "endSec": 2479.20100025, "text": "just like he needs a second to like take it all in and figure out what he's gonna do or whatever and he's incredible because he's martin freeman and then it's like it comes to comes to me and you're like okay score this you know and", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2479.20100025, "endSec": 2479.65100025, "text": "Yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2479.65100025, "endSec": 2501.75100025, "text": "ben ben always says like you know he he's he's he's wonderful to work with because he knows exactly what he wants you know he doesn't need and i'm not i'm not saying that the directors or showrunners that you use temp or inferior anyway like no it's but ben has an idea a theory about score he wants the score to be what the character feels in their gut", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2502.4270002499998, "endSec": 2520.1770002499998, "text": "especially in sequences like that so he's just like make music that sounds like what is happening in his gut in that sequence remember that night so vividly scoring that scene because it's just like it's me and this this incredible actor and it's like don't fuck it up like just he's doing so much on screen", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2520.98700025, "endSec": 2545.58700025, "text": "you don't you know like he's doing 80 you know he's doing 90 and your job is to just kind of paint over it and dance with him and dance with the cutting and it's so rewarding it's so rewarding to just do that you know i'm sure it's like for you or for people who are in you know bands like full-time it's like when you're playing with your bandmates you're dancing with them i'm", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2545.58700025, "endSec": 2546.03700025, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2546.03700025, "endSec": 2576.43700025, "text": "never i've never been a great improviser so that's why why that's why i do it on film but yeah man it's uh seeing these people seeing these like luminaries on the screen so inspiring it's a little bit nerve-wracking but it's very inspiring because it's just you you can just discern so much emotion from what they're doing you know it's it's quite easy to like put that into music it's not like you ever sit there and go gosh what am i gonna do", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2577.05100025, "endSec": 2602.70100025, "text": "you just you take what they're giving you you know which is a hell of a lot it's a lot harder when the scene is like you know i've done my fair share of projects where you're like what is the purpose of the scene or like what is the actor trying to you know to convey then maybe the music is doing a little bit more than it should be doing you know and that that's really hard that's a hard position to be in yeah but that's a good that's a great question i hadn't i hadn't actually kind of articulated that that feeling before", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2602.70100025, "endSec": 2609.50500025, "text": "That's beautiful. It's beautiful. When you're breaking... breaking down a performance like that like you know if you don't remember this exact one just", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2609.50500025, "endSec": 2609.65500025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2609.65500025, "endSec": 2625.75500025, "text": "zoom out a little bit of are you blocking it out like are you putting in markers of like this kind of emotion this kind of vibe this enters here like do you sketch it that way or do you just start like laying down instruments and doing it by feel like how do you how do you structure just from a procedural standpoint taking on that challenge", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2625.80500025, "endSec": 2633.45500025, "text": "Really good question. I think that rhythm is something that has more or less been established.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2633.45500025, "endSec": 2658.58500025, "text": "because the cut has a rhythm you know as we said the tone is something you can only really extrapolate when you see it so i don't know how to put it into words but you kind of just get a sense of what the picture what the colors it's not like a synesthesia type thing where you're it's not like that it's like it's a timbre thing", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2659.41900025, "endSec": 2672.81900025, "text": "It's like it's a timbre thing where you're just like what what tam you start with tam like what needs to How present should the score be making itself? Are we cutting are we kind of like? really truly underscore", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2673.88300025, "endSec": 2690.73300025, "text": "And I feel like that's a great place. That's a great energy kind of, you're trying to figure out the energy of what the score is supposed to be doing in that scene. So with that scene, with the Martin Freeman scene in the car, you're in the car with him. It's really dark. He has the visor up.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2690.73300025, "endSec": 2715.06100025, "text": "and he's kind of like he's kind of looking at himself in the mirror you know the little mirror and the visor and the only light in that scene is kind of like the illumination from the dashboard and the thing and like you know you know what that sounds like you know we're not going to be using like a neck pickup les paul you know like power chord you know what i mean like we know what that feels like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2715.06100025, "endSec": 2715.21100025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2715.21100025, "endSec": 2742.47500025, "text": "what does that feel like in music that's the fun part is like what does that sound sound like so yeah it's it's it's a wonderful exploration i think i used like a upright piano super low like the lowest register a little bit of like a berlioz foreboding thing and then i had like a really really really fucked up funny enough electric guitar maybe it was in the neck pickup um like just wailing", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2743.00300025, "endSec": 2747.65300025, "text": "Wailing, not so much lyrical stuff, but really, really fast right-hand stuff,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2747.65300025, "endSec": 2747.85300025, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2747.85300025, "endSec": 2755.25300025, "text": "super quiet. I wanted it to just feel like there was like a worm in his stomach that was just like...", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2755.30300025, "endSec": 2755.75300025, "text": "Ooh, nice.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2755.83500025, "endSec": 2755.93500025, "text": "Nice,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2755.93500025, "endSec": 2756.13500025, "text": "like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2756.13500025, "endSec": 2756.58500025, "text": "sounds", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2756.58500025, "endSec": 2781.83500025, "text": "restless you know and the whole time we kind of have this like motor of like the really low like first octave on the piano and just the most important thing is to not do too much and that's just kind of what that moment felt like was just like this march towards a horrible horrible outcome because he knew it was he knew he couldn't really get himself out of this situation but it's not just a march it's this like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2783.00300025, "endSec": 2791.70300025, "text": "It's this internal pain and like panic and scraping like of his gut where he just knew like", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2793.05100025, "endSec": 2812.75100025, "text": "i know i can't do anything i'm marching towards a horrible outcome but i'm gonna try i'm gonna try i'm gonna try i know there's something i can do i know there's something i can do and like putting those things together was what matched what was on the screen you know what i mean that's a really weird answer to the how i would think about you know that question yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2812.75100025, "endSec": 2814.70100025, "text": "I got one more for you if you're ready.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2814.70100025, "endSec": 2815.15100025, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2815.15100025, "endSec": 2827.9270002499998, "text": "All right, so this show is called Love Music More. The segment's called Love Music Why. It's a complicated question, but it's a very simple question. We've talked about it already quite a bit. Why do you love music?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2828.22700025, "endSec": 2829.37700025, "text": "Oh gosh, do I?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2830.6770002499998, "endSec": 2832.87700025, "text": "Fair. That's fair. The shortest love music", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2832.87700025, "endSec": 2833.02700025, "text": "Sometimes", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2833.02700025, "endSec": 2833.1770002499998, "text": "-wise", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2833.1770002499998, "endSec": 2833.4270002499998, "text": "I", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2833.4270002499998, "endSec": 2833.57700025, "text": "response.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2833.57700025, "endSec": 2846.62700025, "text": "do, sometimes I don't. Okay. Why do I love music, man? I don't know why I love it, man. I don't. I think it's a little bit magic.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2847.73900025, "endSec": 2872.48900025, "text": "I can't say like that it makes me feel a certain way or, you know, like a lot of people say, a lot of non-musicians I've heard say, I love music because it makes me happy. I'm having a bad day. I put on music. It makes me happy. It's, I think when you're in bed with music like we are, it's a different sort of relationship. You know, we like you and I will put music on and it could make us really sad.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2872.48900025, "endSec": 2899.13300025, "text": "um it could be cathartic you could make us really angry it could alleviate anger so it's like asking like why do you love your wife you know like i don't know just i don't know but i can't live without her you know it's like it's yeah it's it's really hard it's hard it's like i don't know why i don't know why i wish i knew why but i can't articulate it why do i love music it's not a choice i know that much", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2899.57900025, "endSec": 2900.27900025, "text": "you know yeah", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2900.27900025, "endSec": 2900.67900025, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2900.67900025, "endSec": 2900.77900025, "text": "man", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2900.77900025, "endSec": 2900.87900025, "text": "I like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2900.87900025, "endSec": 2901.57900025, "text": "i don't know i'm", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2901.57900025, "endSec": 2902.17900025, "text": "the analogy.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2902.17900025, "endSec": 2904.17900025, "text": "really sorry why do you love music what's what's", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2904.17900025, "endSec": 2904.32900025, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2904.32900025, "endSec": 2904.52900025, "text": "a good", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2904.52900025, "endSec": 2904.57900025, "text": "don't", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 2922.37900025, "endSec": 2951.07100025, "text": "shallow false version of itself if I try and just like list off positive personality traits it's like that's not the love if the reason why I was in love with my wife was because she was perfect it wouldn't be love either because love is accepting imperfection and that would just be recognition or like worship And that also is more shallow than", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2951.07100025, "endSec": 2951.57100025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2951.57100025, "endSec": 2969.87100025, "text": "what I think the relationship to music is because it isn't always pretty. And there are times where you like question why, why did you spend so much time doing this? There are a million other things that if you just spent 10% of the time that you put into this, into that, you'd have a wildly different life.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2970.77900025, "endSec": 2971.07900025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 2971.27900025, "endSec": 2996.07900025, "text": "But then you would also have a wildly different life. It's like all of these tradeoffs and then doesn't feel like a choice. It feels like a service. It feels like it's all things. And I personally think that music is the best art form, totally open to debate. But I feel that way because it brings the most out of me and it feels the most reflective of what it's actually like to be a human being.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 3057.6390002499998, "endSec": 3057.78900025, "text": "you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3057.78900025, "endSec": 3057.9890002499997, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3057.9890002499997, "endSec": 3078.19100025, "text": "know I do because he's my dad you know it feels a little bit like that but yeah that's that's an interesting thing man like using your your gift or your talent or whatever you want to call it like using your aptitude using your years of honing the skill What do you want to use it for?", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3078.29100025, "endSec": 3078.54100025, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3078.54100025, "endSec": 3078.79100025, "text": "And", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3078.79100025, "endSec": 3078.8910002499997, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3078.8910002499997, "endSec": 3094.1410002499997, "text": "I think, you know, you have a lot to say. It's so interesting that anything you can create, anything you create, it's so hard for you to not have yourself in it because you, I feel like I'm the total opposite. And I think that's such a beautiful thing,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3094.1410002499997, "endSec": 3094.49100025, "text": "It is", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3094.49100025, "endSec": 3094.59100025, "text": "you", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3094.59100025, "endSec": 3094.74100025, "text": "a beautiful", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3094.74100025, "endSec": 3094.8910002499997, "text": "know,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3094.8910002499997, "endSec": 3094.99100025, "text": "thing.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3094.99100025, "endSec": 3101.10300025, "text": "such a, such a cool thing that like. We can do whatever we want with this thing,", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3101.10300025, "endSec": 3101.20300025, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3101.20300025, "endSec": 3103.35300025, "text": "you know, and you know, there's no rules", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3103.35300025, "endSec": 3116.5430002499997, "text": "totally. And I'm super jealous of the ability to hear, digest. turn it into a version of and like pull yourself out of it i think all of Well, that is", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3116.5430002499997, "endSec": 3116.89300025, "text": "so don't", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3116.89300025, "endSec": 3117.74300025, "text": "cool but it", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 3121.39300025, "endSec": 3121.94300025, "text": "to do it.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3121.94300025, "endSec": 3140.70500025, "text": "the credits speak for themselves like i don't know i i think it is fun that you can have within the talent of music and the vocation of music and the craft of music of which it's all because i have seen various levels of talent with various levels of hard work and it is not a fair race um myself", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3140.70500025, "endSec": 3141.30500025, "text": "Of course not.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3141.30500025, "endSec": 3163.35500025, "text": "included there are plenty of people that blow have blown by me several times over but like it is fun that you can even within that have micro versions in the same way there's all these different types of intelligences uh trying to distill it into like an iq test or a jury in a music school or something like that it's like that is reducing it so far that um it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3163.35500025, "endSec": 3163.65500025, "text": "Reducing", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3163.65500025, "endSec": 3164.15500025, "text": "like yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3164.15500025, "endSec": 3166.45500025, "text": "it to a chemistry class. Yeah, I agree.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3166.45500025, "endSec": 3174.9130002499996, "text": "yeah to one chemistry class So where can people keep in touch? Where can they send you good chemistry books for you to read?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3178.86300025, "endSec": 3184.9130002499996, "text": "My Instagram is Tristan Clopet at Tristan Clopet and I don't know if I'm on anything else", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3186.51300025, "endSec": 3187.11300025, "text": "That's enough.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3187.21300025, "endSec": 3187.86300025, "text": "Yeah, that's enough.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3187.86300025, "endSec": 3188.21300025, "text": "We'll get you.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3188.31300025, "endSec": 3188.76300025, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3189.06300025, "endSec": 3189.86300025, "text": "Yeah. And.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3191.13100025, "endSec": 3197.03100025, "text": "We'll reach out, listen to your to your work and um Thanks, yeah, man. definitely uh hopefully we can hang out sometime.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3197.4310002499997, "endSec": 3208.03100025, "text": "Thank you, buddy. Yeah. I've really enjoyed talking to you. Yeah. I was excited to speak to you after hearing your previous interviews and this has been a lot of fun and just as engaging and insightful as I thought it would be.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" }, { "startSec": 3208.08100025, "endSec": 3209.08100025, "text": "Okay, said that. Yeah.", "speaker": "Tristan Clopet" } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "acdc", "count": 1, "note": "Band name punctuation" } ] }