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100.45, "text": "And I love this pivot because I think it's a really interesting twist in the undergroundbecoming the dominant and kind of the dominant, most interesting and most listened to genre.The ethos of like punk evolving into the ethos of alternative and grunge.And then where it goes from there, how once you take the underground and turn it into pop," }, { "startSec": 100.45, "endSec": 124.25, "text": "then you get a really interesting mix of things that end up being like Linkin Park and P.O.D., you end up becoming like rap rock and doing all of these things that probablywouldn't have been possible if we just stayed on the path of Led Zeppelin and Mötley Crüe and Def Leppard.And I think the other part that I find really interesting about it is self-awareness, humorand a different kind of attitude." }, { "startSec": 124.25, "endSec": 149.54, "text": "It all kind of stems from the first moment that the pixies became a band.And it was an advertisement in the Boston Phoenix that said, please, no chops.Chops as in a bunch of virtuastic playing, a whole bunch of showmanship and musicianship." }, { "startSec": 149.54, "endSec": 176.98, "text": "Specifically asking for someone to uniquely combine influences like Hüsker Dü and PeterPaul and Mary, but also not be Eddie Van Halen, not be trying to impress people, kind oftrying to do the opposite.And that ethos plus a bunch of historical things that didn't really belong in there if youwould have thought about it." }, { "startSec": 176.98, "endSec": 203.34, "text": "Because hardcore music, punk music, which we've covered a lot on the pod is similar ethos.But this kind of loops back to early rock in an interesting like Surfin' Bird kind ofway because the pixies have a surf rock influence throughout pretty much everything they do.They just go a little heavier, a lot heavier, but it's the feeling of both rejecting the" }, { "startSec": 203.34, "endSec": 229.14, "text": "mainstream, going slightly back to the roots, but then also pressing forward with an intensitylike punk and hardcore and a dissonance that really plays well in a literal basement.Like when you have notes that are right up and weird, that stuff sounds terrible in a stadium,but it sounds really sick in a club." }, { "startSec": 229.14, "endSec": 253.66, "text": "And I think that that inversion of venue, very similar to the CBGB episodes that we talkedabout, is a really important part of this pivot to like the pixies and then to Nirvana.And then to the modern day, like one of my favorites, like St. Vincent.There's that still rich dissonant and intense and the pivot between very loud, powerful" }, { "startSec": 253.66, "endSec": 277.38, "text": "dissonant rock sections and then very quiet, intimate, introspective, and attitude ladenversus sometimes inverted, like where is my mind is kind of the inversion where the chorus,where is my mind part is the quiet part.But it's that up and down that really helped define what the sound is." }, { "startSec": 277.38, "endSec": 307.82, "text": "And I also think kind of to this day helps define what indie alternative music can do isthat it's playing with contrast.And it's also playing with room and with space.So I want to talk about one of the first records that the pixies did with Steve Albini.Steve passed away somewhat recently and was known as one of the most honest people inshow business.It gave a very much spoke his mind." }, { "startSec": 307.82, "endSec": 330.5, "text": "But I think it makes a lot of sense that he's in this scene at 25 years old in Massachusetts.Boston kind of vibe where he tells pixies like, hey, I don't want royalties.I think it's an insult to the bands.I just want flat rate.But he had the other side of it, which was this technical obsession.I think that's also part of the reason why he's so opinionated." }, { "startSec": 330.5, "endSec": 348.94, "text": "And I actually think that it's a good thing to have very opinionated folks working onyour music because if you don't have an opinion, you don't have a direction, particularlyfor something that has infinite possibilities.What microphone do we use?What room do we record in?What are we going for?Why are we in the studio?Those are hard questions." }, { "startSec": 348.94, "endSec": 373.54, "text": "And there are questions that if you don't answer them and answer them aggressively, youcan waste hours and you can have a record that doesn't really sound like anything.One of my favorite things, my favorite vignette of this is the PZM microphone situation wherethey're struggling with the guitars.They want it to sound big, but not in a hair metal stadium reverb kind of big." }, { "startSec": 373.54, "endSec": 398.98, "text": "They try to hallway, try to in the control room, try, you know, running it through reverb,digital reverb and stuff like that just wasn't working.So he instead used a pressure zone microphone.It's like a boundary type microphone like you stick it in a place and it isn't capturingin the same way that diaphragm-based microphone would have." }, { "startSec": 398.98, "endSec": 422.01, "text": "It's flush against the surface, capturing direct sound and reflection at the same time.And that microphone paired with the goal of sense of space that felt like the underground,that felt like the bars.You know, I've played in some of these bars in Boston and just around the outskirts ofBoston." }, { "startSec": 422.01, "endSec": 444.33, "text": "And there's a vibe in there and it makes sense that this space would birth this kindof music because it's a conversation between location, musical scene, fans, artists always.And it might be, that might be one of the biggest things that we're missing right nowwith digital music.We might be losing out on some of those feedback loops and also those senses of space." }, { "startSec": 444.33, "endSec": 475.26, "text": "And I'm starting to see a lot of that come back like Dijon, like, did, now Justin Bieberused kind of this sense of community and boundary microphones and things to try to captureair moving through a room.A lot of my guests have been talking about that as well.And I think that this is directly that idea of let's put the guitar amps in the bathroomand let's tape a cheap microphone on the wall." }, { "startSec": 475.26, "endSec": 505.22, "text": "And that creates the sound of Surfer Rosa, one of my favorite records, incredible guitarsounds.And it, again, it combines like that new and old where it feels, brash and it feels honest,but to me, I can tell that they, you know, they listen, they like music and they study music,despite what anybody may say, and Kurt Cobain is the ultimate of this because this is partof the attitude of, oh, you know, we don't read music." }, { "startSec": 505.22, "endSec": 525.54, "text": "We don't study it.We don't like theory.We don't like all these words.And then proceeds to rattle off a bunch of words that are actually accurate or write asong that uses some really interesting concepts.Same thing with the Beatles where it's this, there's this air of, I'm trying to be a pureand true artist.So I do not, we need to be bounded and shackled by the academy.I totally get it." }, { "startSec": 525.54, "endSec": 544.26, "text": "But at the same time, I think that that kind of thinking is cool, it clearly worked.And so maybe that's what you should say in interviews.But if you are an artist, I think it's great to equip yourselves with all of the toolsand be able to deconstruct the songs that you love.And oftentimes, even if the artists say that they don't have that, somebody else in the" }, { "startSec": 544.26, "endSec": 571.06, "text": "room will, like George Martin with the Beatles or Steve Albini here, there's a technologicaland give a crap, energy, that even the bands that act the most aloof, the most punk,really works when you have a little bit of that." }, { "startSec": 571.06, "endSec": 600.34, "text": "And actually, I think that we should pause for a moment and talk about the actual compositionof this band.So you have Black Francis, vocals, guitar, bringing the chaos.You have Joey Santiago, lead guitar, love of surf rock.You have David Lovering on the drums.And David's playing is so tight and crisp that I think that it's a critical part of why Pixies read alternative to me rather than punk." }, { "startSec": 600.34, "endSec": 626.74, "text": "Like if there was a sloppiness or aggression on the drums, it was different, then thiswhole thing wouldn't feel as intentional or controlled or danceable or there's like thisextra energy.And I feel the same way with Dave Grohl of restraint, pocket, in time, but still big andloud and brash." }, { "startSec": 626.74, "endSec": 661.06, "text": "A really unique combination, if you look at overall musical history, but without the chopswithout trying to be bottom.So it's that ability to restrain and ability to organize chaos.And going back to the title of the sub-stack post, please no chops.Kim Deal was the only one that responded to that classified ad, I guess.She didn't even own a bass.And she became one of the most iconic bass players of all time." }, { "startSec": 661.06, "endSec": 691.18, "text": "Incredible vocalist, incredible vibe, critical to the sound of the Pixies.And I also think the universal, maybe not universal, but the widespread love and adoptionjust because her voice can really smooth out some of the edges in a good way.You can make it a more listenable experience and just lays it down on the bass.It's that combination, the same thing where we're talking about drums." }, { "startSec": 691.18, "endSec": 715.34, "text": "It's like the rhythm section being as tight as it is helps create the genre.And one of my favorite bands, Mother Mother, super influenced by this as is like so manyother bands, you know, Cage the Elephant, like all of these bands that are indie alternativedarlings, they all love the Pixies and Kim Deal's a huge part of that, a huge part of" }, { "startSec": 715.34, "endSec": 740.3, "text": "bass tone, a picked bass of the energy of that ID GAF kind of bass player that is justso cool.It's just undeniably cool.And Kim being in that band made it so that somebody like Mother Mother, Ryan, the leadsinger there is like, we need female vocalists because we want to be like the Pixies." }, { "startSec": 740.3, "endSec": 764.66, "text": "And I think for someone without quote unquote chops, that's a hell of a long legacy and thousands,tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of bands, probably worldwide, heavily influencedby her playing her energy, her songwriting.Just go listen to Gigantic, I'll be here if you want to listen to it and come back." }, { "startSec": 764.66, "endSec": 792.06, "text": "I think that's a really good encapsulation of her songwriting, her singing, I mean, a hellof a front person in her own right.But it's funny because you have the energy of, I don't even know what I'm doing here,but then the intensity of clearly both of these bands wanted to be successful.Like Kurt Cobain has got quotes of wanting to be the biggest band in the world." }, { "startSec": 792.06, "endSec": 816.19, "text": "That is not something that somebody that I don't even give a crap would actually say.And it smells like teen spirit is not the kind of song that someone would write if theywere actually thinking like that.When Surfer Rosa came out, the rumor is that Kurt Cobain stole it, shoplifted it.And it found that new sound." }, { "startSec": 816.19, "endSec": 847.8, "text": "It found dynamics in a different way, where it's a call and response inside of the song witha verse whisper in a chorus detonation or vice versa.And like think about Nirvana, isn't that like the same thing?But it allows you to do a lot when you have those heavy dynamics.It allows you to tell a story and allows you to kind of peak interest and also get moretense and more dissonant because you're breathing." }, { "startSec": 847.8, "endSec": 868.72, "text": "The song is breathing versus some of the punk records that were, you know, big 70s,80s.They were just like all go, red line it.I think that limits commercial adoption.And as you saw with the bands that took punk and got huge like the clash, they had thatrestraint." }, { "startSec": 868.72, "endSec": 899.4, "text": "And also they had that weird bag of things like surf and reggae and what rock is so goodat of extending and sticking on other genres because it itself is an amalgamation ofother genres, it is, there's always like space for your own space, whatever weird thingyou're into, if you're making rock, it can work, especially if you're as much of a frontperson as Kurt Cobain." }, { "startSec": 899.4, "endSec": 933.72, "text": "So Kurt Cobain, other side of the country, Seattle and Ballard, they recorded their firstdemos in a converted candy store right next to a train track.So the trains would roll by and they'd have to pause while the freight train goes.If you know freight trains, those things are long.They cut 10 songs in one afternoon for $152.I linked the demos on my blog at lovemusicmore.substack.com." }, { "startSec": 933.72, "endSec": 959.55, "text": "And it's really cool because you can tell the bands in there, the energies in there,it just needs that refinement.And you can also tell it's early Pixies influence, but as Kurt Cobain continues to grow as a songwriter,you can tell more and more that Pixies influence comes through.They recorded their next record, their actual proper record for $600." }, { "startSec": 959.55, "endSec": 990.15, "text": "And I think that's something really important to flag because this is at the same time thatpeople are recording, you know, $1,000,000 records and then making half-million-dollar musicvideos to support them.That's on the absolute opposite of the trend.Opposite coasts, both DIY, super low budget, super small studios, and then taking the senseof space, the room rather than the artificial, became breath of fresh air." }, { "startSec": 990.15, "endSec": 1012.11, "text": "But it wasn't until Dave Grohl joined in 1990-1991 that the band was able to become Nirvana as we know them, like a bunch of people wearing their band name on their shirtsthat barely have listened to their music.Which big, great legendary producer said 90% of Nirvana's sound is just how Dave playsDave Grohl." }, { "startSec": 1012.11, "endSec": 1032.79, "text": "And I also linked a great video on the Substack about Dave Grohl being inspired by disco drumbeats and the pickups, all of these kind of drum fills that were in disco and then wouldget sampled by hip hop and then made their way back to rock via this." }, { "startSec": 1032.79, "endSec": 1059.35, "text": "I just think that's also a really good example of opening the aperture and just because people,including Dave Grohl in that video are like, I don't read music, I don't ever.It's like then they have the knowledge of a historian.I think that's really telling.You don't need to necessarily be knowing how it's all written out in the chart if you canlisten to it and digest it.That's ideal." }, { "startSec": 1059.35, "endSec": 1085.92, "text": "The written notation is only pointing at the actual music in the same way that writtenword is pointing at speech.So it's not lesser, it's actually greater to be able to internalize and just play it.Like is an oral tradition, an oral tradition.I love this quote.Kurt Cobain told Rolling Stone in 1994, I was basically trying to rip off the pixies." }, { "startSec": 1085.92, "endSec": 1111.33, "text": "I have to admit it, when I first heard the pixies, I connected with that band so heavilythat I should have been in that band or at least a pixies cover band.But that's how it works.It's the constant, you know, baton passing, especially in the underground.And each makes the other stronger." }, { "startSec": 1111.33, "endSec": 1129.53, "text": "Like pixies are still touring and playing huge shows right now, and I have had the pleasureof going to some of them.And that's the way it's supposed to work, is when you have an underground breakout successthat's supposed to bring up the rest of that underground.That's how you keep the musical energy going." }, { "startSec": 1129.53, "endSec": 1165.18, "text": "But just something as simple as a guitar riff is like so powerful to be able to changethe world.There was a funny clip that I watched of Nirvana, recognizing that this guitar riff is notcompletely original as they did more than a feeling.How does it go?Is it like that?Something like that." }, { "startSec": 1165.18, "endSec": 1188.74, "text": "But there's a really funny clip of them actually playing the more than a feeling riff beforethey launch into smells like teen spirit.But I actually want to point that out too as an interesting part of this genre evolution.You can look at later Blink 182 concert footage and see a whole bunch of parallels to earlyNirvana in the attitude and the way that they're playing with the crowd and the way that they're" }, { "startSec": 1188.74, "endSec": 1214.7, "text": "playing with music.You can also find a whole bunch of clips of Nirvana making fun of the dog and pony show thatis the record business.And they'll switch instruments if they're forced to lip sync.They'll even the smells like teen spirit music video, Kurt Cobain fakes his guitar soloand he pretends to be shredding to make fun of the no chops thing.That's really special." }, { "startSec": 1214.7, "endSec": 1254.82, "text": "But it's really funny to me because there is hidden complexity as always in the fourchords song of smells like teen spirit.Like for example, it's power chords.So you're not really saying whether or not it's like major or minor.So listen to how different this sounds or how different this sounds or more reasonablyit'd probably be like totally different song, right?It's just a totally different vibe." }, { "startSec": 1254.82, "endSec": 1277.5, "text": "But I say all of that to say the choice of using power chords, one, interesting.The choice of all of the tones, also interesting.Keep in mind, size comes from below.So the kick drum sound, the bass sound, and then the guitar.The kick drum and the bass are super, super important for creating the sense of size,especially in a power trio like they are." }, { "startSec": 1277.5, "endSec": 1300.86, "text": "And that's why the bassist, Krist Novoselic, is such an important figure that doesn'tget talked about often because again, no chops, you can play, I'll give you a rock.But the whole idea is not to necessarily shine the spotlight on yourself as much as likeI don't know if you're in the who.You're playing my generation and it's all about those bass chops." }, { "startSec": 1300.86, "endSec": 1327.1, "text": "But I say that to say, the chops are in the subtlety and that's a beautiful place formusic.Also, I suppose like Teen Spirit has a guitar solo, a really good guitar solo.Yeah, it just plays the melody but it plays it really well and it uses bends and articulationto be very, very interesting.And so for somebody that says, what he says in interviews versus when he does in the" }, { "startSec": 1327.1, "endSec": 1351.3, "text": "music, just something to consider, especially as a musician.It's one thing to be a fan and like who cares.But if you're trying to make music that reaches up to that similar mountaintop, I think youneed to walk the walk rather than just talk the talk and he did, he did both.Mac to the chords, the power chords makes it not major or not minor and opens you upto do a few different things melodically." }, { "startSec": 1351.3, "endSec": 1370.44, "text": "But fundamentally, the notes that are used in the core melody are basically the bluesscale.So the blues scale for people that don't know has got this nice little, little like" }, { "startSec": 1370.44, "endSec": 1396.16, "text": "sense of dissonance and it gives you the ability to go all the way back to that early musichistory too, where we were talking about the blues and it's inside of Smells Like Teen Spirit.This is guitar music.Even though it doesn't have the chops of hair metal, it is still very much rock, everyonewould agree.Maybe it's classic rock at this point." }, { "startSec": 1396.16, "endSec": 1408.36, "text": "But to watch how this decision kind of trickles down, so you have the power chords which allowsyou to be more ambiguous.It also allows you to have a little bit more dissonance because there's less of this to rub withthings like this." }, { "startSec": 1408.36, "endSec": 1440.25, "text": "But if you just have not as hard to take, like it isn't a difficult thing to swallow though.It's still as rough, don't get me wrong, but without having as much harmonic information,the major and minor thirds without having those notes, taking up space and also centeringyou in a certain kind of key, it allows you to do different things above it." }, { "startSec": 1440.25, "endSec": 1466.61, "text": "And that's what a ton of people, like again, from St. Vincent to Pixies, they're doing thatusing power chords when they want to get dissonant because it's easier to scaffold on top.And this is not something you need to study necessarily, this is something you can justfeel.But it's nice if you know how to call it out or to think like that.It's nice that you don't just have to kind of wander around in the darkness." }, { "startSec": 1466.61, "endSec": 1489.13, "text": "And some of these things are just intuitive because a lot of it's just acoustics.It's a harmonic series, things grow from below to above.The things that are lower down have got more harmonic information.I like to say with mixing, you only have a finite amount of space in the room or in theballoon that you're putting the mix inside of.And so everything is related.Every frequency is fighting." }, { "startSec": 1489.13, "endSec": 1507.19, "text": "And if you make the bass really loud, the guitars are going to be a little quieter.If you make the guitars really loud, the bass is going to be a little quieter.It's always a trade off.And it's the same thing about deciding what chords to play.It's always a trade off.How many notes do you want in your chord?Two, we can work with that.We can do a whole bunch of stuff." }, { "startSec": 1507.19, "endSec": 1535.31, "text": "It also opens up a bunch of frequencies for other things, like the vocal, like the drums,you're able to create like a really big sound.That's why it's a power chord.It's not, there's less rub inside of the basic harmonic structure.And that gives you both energy, ambiguity, and the ability to get a little more dissonantbecause, again, it's not exactly like framed in people's heads of, we are in this key.Or this key." }, { "startSec": 1535.31, "endSec": 1556.67, "text": "Do up, you know?And that's the difference between More Than a Feeling and Smells Like Teen Spirit.Is it More Than a Feeling is diatonic.It is using the major key.Smells like teen spirit is not.It's using borrowed chords.And borrowed chords mean blurring the line between minor and major so you can have eitherone because who cares, you don't have the third." }, { "startSec": 1556.67, "endSec": 1577, "text": "And then you can play chords from each of the relative majors and minors.As in, it expands your palate.And it also gives you more kind of like left turns, more surprises.It feels newer.And you can do this with any kind of chord.You can borrow chords from different cultures, you can borrow chords from different modesand different scales." }, { "startSec": 1577, "endSec": 1603.08, "text": "And even though there's a video of Kurt Cobain saying, oh, I don't care about the Dorianmode.It's like, yeah, bro, well, it's like in there.You did it.Like, I'm sorry.Like Dorian, yeah, you might not care about the Dorian mode, but you used it.Just like the people, I don't care about politics.It's like, yeah, but politics cares about you.It's the same energy of music theory cares about you." }, { "startSec": 1603.08, "endSec": 1630.24, "text": "It's here whether or not you want to name it.It's just like you don't need to speak in order to think, but it sure helps.You don't need to write in order to speak, but it sure helps.It's okay.And I'll sit by the way.He called it Dorian.He knew.He knew.He's just playing.He's trying to be cool guy.And that's part of the energy of this too, is that you are almost taking the intensityof rock." }, { "startSec": 1630.24, "endSec": 1654.64, "text": "But then with a little bit of tongue in cheek from the fun of spinal tap, honestly, likeit's kind of in there of the lip syncing and switching instruments or making fun ofthe entire industry.There's a weird owl edge to Nirvana, which is kind of weird to say, but I think it'sin there.And all music there, that's fourth.Like Blink what I did too, I think is my favorite example of, it's just different." }, { "startSec": 1654.64, "endSec": 1677, "text": "And also I want to highlight because I didn't get to do all of this in the post about wherethis all goes.So things like emo music and post hardcore and alternative and even all the way up tobedroom pop, the stuff that I make.There is an intention to dynamics that quiet, loud, quiet thing, a usage of power chords" }, { "startSec": 1677, "endSec": 1696.56, "text": "and ambiguity, a usage of dissonance, usage of intensity using guitars that have springreverb or tile reverb, a sense of space, like bedroom pop is like literally about whatis the kind of music that comes out of a bedroom.It sounds like a bedroom that are certain frequencies that are hyped and it sounds weirdwhen you take them away." }, { "startSec": 1696.56, "endSec": 1718.68, "text": "There's all of that kind of comes back to here, comes back to CBGB, comes back to surfguitar.It's all about how are we using tone and timbre in addition to our songwriting and chordchoices and doing them at the same time and having them each be informed by the other, notjust playing a chord because you're playing a chord, not just playing a power chord becauseyou're playing a power chord." }, { "startSec": 1718.68, "endSec": 1738.36, "text": "You're playing it because you're trying to get out a certain vibe and also allowingthe guitar to come in as a splash of color.And I think that's a really fun thing that goes all the way back to blues.Like B.B. King is one of my favorite examples of this of the guitar is another vocalist.The guitar is a moment.Does not need to be omnipresent." }, { "startSec": 1738.36, "endSec": 1763.96, "text": "And this music when you kind of strip away or just go into a like that's all I'm playingin the verses.It gives you now ability to lift off.And again, you don't need to throw chops.You don't need to throw down a crazy guitar solo, but there's still guitar solos.And guitar solos come in a lot of different flavors.And I think that's one of the fun things that came out of this too is that you don't haveto play fast." }, { "startSec": 1763.96, "endSec": 1790.08, "text": "You don't even have to play melodically.You can just kind of play some noise.You can play some energy.There's that punk kind of energy but then brought into more straight up rock all theway since then, for sure, where it's kind of similar to how the Led Zeppelin, JimmyPage playing his guitar with a violin bow, similar kind of energy, but just way less theatricalin that way." }, { "startSec": 1790.08, "endSec": 1810.32, "text": "And it's almost like, almost this whole thing kind of feels like Gen Z. It's like theGen Z stare at a classic rock of like cringe.We're going to do something else.And I think that's kind of cool.And I think that's fun watching the pendulum swing from the hyper mainstream of lavish" }, { "startSec": 1810.32, "endSec": 1847.23, "text": "money, super over the top, super excess focused to the, our record cost us $160 other endof the spectrum.And I think that's why it worked and I think that's why it got so big, but the otherpart of the reason why it got so big was because there's a community, Nirvana standingon the shoulders of the Pixies giant shoulders, you know, all the way back.And Nirvana cared a lot more than they let on.As did their producers." }, { "startSec": 1847.23, "endSec": 1878.76, "text": "I'm really, really happy to be sharing kind of this because I think it's, I don't know,I think it's such an important twist for music.And every time that rock seems like it's reached the end of like its tree, a new branchkind of forms.And I think we're still kind of on this branch.I don't know what the next one will be, but this branch isn't just this team." }, { "startSec": 1878.76, "endSec": 1898.8, "text": "I mean, early Elvis and Muddy Waters demos and, you know, other DIY records, like evenPaul McCartney made Ram, very DIY.And you have these like weirdos, like the Surfin' Bird song.That's all in this same kind of family tree." }, { "startSec": 1898.8, "endSec": 1932.73, "text": "And Nirvana just really, really broke it, broke it in a good way out to mainstream.And I think that In Utero, which is my favorite Nirvana record is a really goodexploration of this kind of music with pop at its core, same thing with Doolittle.I think the Doolittle is very similar in that way of just like great songwriting by thePixies.But all apologies is my favorite, like last song on pretty much any record." }, { "startSec": 1932.73, "endSec": 1961.05, "text": "It's haunting.It's beautiful.And I wish we could have gotten more music.Just like with Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin and countless others.I also recognize and am grateful for the music that we did get.And I think that song, All Apologies, is an important one to listen to and withinthat context.I also really like Radio Friendly, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter, great song, great songto run to." }, { "startSec": 1961.05, "endSec": 1982.05, "text": "And speaking of that, I think I've run on long enough.If you'd like to read more, listen to some of this music.I have a bunch of different clips, links, and narratives, some different stories thatI didn't tell on here at lovemusicmore.substack.com.You can check out the article.And if you'd like to check out my music, you can go to scoobertdoobert.pizza or search meon Spotify." }, { "startSec": 1982.05, "endSec": 1986.61, "text": "I invite you to share this with your friends, leave a five star, and I'll see you next week." } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "scoober-dover", "count": 1, "note": "Host intro name ASR typo" }, { "id": "scubaord-url", "count": 1, "note": "Outro URL ASR typo" } ] }