{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "meet-the-beatles-the-history-of-rock-music-part-3", "title": "Meet the Beatles - The History of Rock Music (Part 3)", "kind": "solo", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/Meet-the-Beatles---The-History-of-Rock-Music-Part-3-e2o6hfa", "contentStartSec": 57.06, "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "whisper", "model": "faster-whisper:base", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T09:41:55.530Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 57.06, "endSec": 85.81, "text": "What's good everybody? Scoobert Doobert here for love music more. Welcome back to" }, { "startSec": 85.81, "endSec": 101.52694545454546, "text": "part three of the history of rock music. Today we're going to talk about the Beatles and theBritish invasion. The ways that rock and roll is changing as it shifts from an American musicgenre to a global one." }, { "startSec": 101.52694545454546, "endSec": 112.67751431556948, "text": "And it's really interesting too to see what reaches, quote unquote, across the pond. Because influences are always varied and surprising." }, { "startSec": 112.67751431556948, "endSec": 132.51071994785684, "text": "So one of the things I findreally fascinating about this kind of time period, particularly with the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, is that Americans are rediscovering parts of their own history and their own heritagethat they might not have been exposed to." }, { "startSec": 132.51071994785684, "endSec": 142.21, "text": "But it requires an outsider to bring it back for Americans to really get it. And this is where like the concept of blues rock comes in. Because" }, { "startSec": 143.01, "endSec": 161.93886597938143, "text": "as Ronnie Wood said, who's been a member of the Rolling Stones since 1975, most white Americansonly discovered the blues with the British invasion. So what is the British invasion? And how did weend up here? First of all, check out the first two episodes of the rock history to give you a littlerecap." }, { "startSec": 161.93886597938143, "endSec": 181.73, "text": "It basically goes from the initial explosion and excitement to scandal and the day the music died with the plane crash, to the idol culture, and then surf rock and instrumental music,and the California vibes, and then the baton gets passed across the pond over to Britain." }, { "startSec": 183.01, "endSec": 204.20787234042555, "text": "And Britain's really interesting because there's a lot of people that were just absolutediehard fans of the music that was coming out of America. And on a deeper scale and a deeper levelthan a lot of the American musicians as well. Just like I was saying, you know, the blues rockrevival, the reintroduction of some of this music that wasn't exposed to white Americans." }, { "startSec": 204.20787234042555, "endSec": 216.45, "text": "And so they were instead just getting kind of the rock version, but never the roots version. And thatprimes this audience who likes the blues, but doesn't even know what the blues is." }, { "startSec": 218.05, "endSec": 230.77, "text": "But before we get there, let's talk about kind of the mid-50s, how these bands even get theirstart. So John Lennon is a 16-year-old playing in a cover band. That music is called Skiffle Music." }, { "startSec": 232.61, "endSec": 240.37, "text": "One of the great kind of players and figures of Skiffle Music is Lonnie Donegan. Donegan is" }, { "startSec": 242.13, "endSec": 259.33, "text": "I feel like he's kind of lost a history a little bit because I mean, I didn't really hear himuntil I was doing all of this research for it, and I feel bad about that, but I want to be honest.You know, obviously I know the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin,but I feel a little bad for not knowing about one of their favorite bands." }, { "startSec": 259.33, "endSec": 273.72008450704226, "text": "And it's so deep, this appeal of Skiffle Music, which I highly recommend you check out.And I have that on my substack. If you go to lovemusicmore.substack.com,you can listen to a little of that Skiffle Music." }, { "startSec": 273.72008450704226, "endSec": 300.69, "text": "It's really fascinating because that is howPaul McCartney and John Lennon, the two greatest songwriters, the greatest songwriting duo of all time, they meet because of a shared love of Donegan. And the first time that Paul ever heard John performwas in that cover band, a Skiffle band, or they were playing Lonnie Donegan's music." }, { "startSec": 300.69, "endSec": 315.98659574468087, "text": "And crazy enough, there's also a recording of that very night in 1957, where Paul gets hookedon John Lennon's music, also on the substack. So the Beatles, they form on that shared love ofthat kind of music." }, { "startSec": 315.98659574468087, "endSec": 331.65, "text": "What you're going to see in pretty much every band is that like what is the core of it, there is a shared love of some specific genre. And then there's also this tenacity." }, { "startSec": 332.69, "endSec": 345.01, "text": "And that's one of the interesting things about looking at bands, especially ones that start whenthey're teenagers. A lot of them have lineup changes, a lot of them have this period of going from" }, { "startSec": 345.97, "endSec": 370.3464705882353, "text": "passionate amateur to like almost cutthroat professional. And it's that bubble through which thesebands pass. And it's very fascinating to see the repetition of the story, who gets successful,who breaks through that bubble. And the Beatles had to do that too." }, { "startSec": 370.3464705882353, "endSec": 378.21, "text": "So George Harrison is invited by Paul McCartney to come join the band. John thinks he's a little young, he's a little raw." }, { "startSec": 379.33, "endSec": 403.04, "text": "But George persists. And again, it's that bubble, it's that persistence tenacity. He keeps auditioning,he keeps hanging out, he keeps being around. Eventually, he's invited to join the band. Again,this is just a, you know, they're playing some local bars kind of bands. This is not like, hey,come join the Beatles yet. So the band starts shifting some lineup. Some of the band leaves for college." }, { "startSec": 403.04, "endSec": 410.14, "text": "John Paul and George are kind of left alone. They can't find a drummer, which is also just classic." }, { "startSec": 411.18, "endSec": 432.0443298969072, "text": "So many bands have been in that situation from then and since. And so they're performing. They namethemselves Johnny and the Moondogs. And they meet a guy named Stuart Sutcliffe. So Stuart is a greatvisual artist. And he just sold a painting. So he's got a little bit of money." }, { "startSec": 432.0443298969072, "endSec": 448.4097968765949, "text": "John Lennon, nudges him and says, go buy a bass guitar. We need a bass guitarist. So he buys a bass. And Georgeloves his artistic sensibility so much that they name him the the art director of the band. Johnnyand the Moondogs at this point." }, { "startSec": 448.4097968765949, "endSec": 471.08402178910785, "text": "And John and Stuart move in together, they listen to records, they hang out all night, digging into like, what kind of music do they want to make? And theyland on it with Buddy Holly and the crickets. And because the crickets is a cool name,they kind of mess with it and they go, what about the Beatles?" }, { "startSec": 471.08402178910785, "endSec": 489.44, "text": "From there, that's when they hit their first kind of bubble moment of passing through from being a professor,amateur to being a professional. And that is going to Hamburg, Germany. I've talked about thison the podcast a ton and I reference it off hand with a lot of guests because it is such a poignant" }, { "startSec": 490.4, "endSec": 510.8714503816793, "text": "before and after for this band. So they come up with their name. They're immediately thrown intoHamburg, Germany. And Hamburg is the kind of place that like musicians can only dream of. It isabsolute hell and it's absolute heaven at the same time where they are performing, you know, like fivehours a day, like every day of the week." }, { "startSec": 510.8714503816793, "endSec": 521.44, "text": "They're living on a cockroach infested, you know, bed above the stage in the club. And that's their life. Their life is just music, music, music." }, { "startSec": 523.12, "endSec": 546.7483185840708, "text": "But through that, that's basically like their college degree, you know, they earn it throughapprenticeship rather than through the classroom. And that's them paying their dues.Stuart eventually, you know, understandably, most people would hate that.chooses to leave the band to pursue his visual art." }, { "startSec": 546.7483185840708, "endSec": 554.54, "text": "And Paul picks up his bass, which also great thing because Paul McCartney ends up becoming one of the greatest bassists of all time." }, { "startSec": 556.54, "endSec": 572.975744680851, "text": "Would have been a great guitarist, I'm sure, but there's something special about his bass playingas such a melodic singer. I talk about this on the pod where I talk about how I conceptualizeplaying and writing bass guitar parts. A lot of it is this idea of counter melody." }, { "startSec": 572.975744680851, "endSec": 583.02, "text": "So you havea melody and then you have something playing against that melody, a kind of like a contrast, something above and something below. And those two things should be dancing with each other." }, { "startSec": 584.22, "endSec": 601.3144329896908, "text": "One of the things that makes Paul McCartney so good at it is that he is able to think of twodistinct melodies and play them at the same time. So the bass and the voice, either of which you couldlisten to exclusively and feel satisfied them together, though, round out and reinforce." }, { "startSec": 601.3144329896908, "endSec": 611.2907147305058, "text": "And thisis stuff that goes back to Bach, you know, like counterpoint and having interesting bass movement against melody, that's some old, old school, western music stuff." }, { "startSec": 611.2907147305058, "endSec": 634.54, "text": "And it's really cool to hear itcombined with things like blues and things like rock and things like Motown, which we'll get to that all adds in this sense of movement and interest and groove and funk to the Beatles music that Ithink helps it stand the test of time. So I'm glad that Paul chose to pick up the bass." }, { "startSec": 634.54, "endSec": 653.1264748201439, "text": "But a terrible thing ends up happening right after that is in 1962. So basically after the Beatleshad been in Hamburg and had played, you know, hundreds and hundreds of shows is about three yearsafter they settle on their name and go to Hamburg, Stuart ends up dying." }, { "startSec": 653.1264748201439, "endSec": 662.94, "text": "Randomly, brain hemorrhage, he passes. That's super hard, obviously, on the band. John Lennon" }, { "startSec": 664.06, "endSec": 679.1, "text": "reflects on that for the rest of his life as something that changes him fundamentally as a personas an artist. And Stuart's vibe, Stuart's impression that he left on the band is a big" }, { "startSec": 679.98, "endSec": 690.7593846153846, "text": "reason why the band ends up becoming so artistic as they're trying to live up to the memory ofthat friend." }, { "startSec": 690.7593846153846, "endSec": 711.15, "text": "Soon after Stuart's death, literally months, they get a recording session at Abbey Road Studios with producer George Martin. At that point, Pete Best is still in the band as the drummer." }, { "startSec": 712.03, "endSec": 720.19, "text": "I'm sorry, I didn't mention him very much, but this is about all the mention he's about to get.He gets replaced by Ringo Starr because they were looking for a pro drummer." }, { "startSec": 720.99, "endSec": 737.39, "text": "Paul McCartney actually talked about this and I thought it was interesting. If you listen tosome of Ray Charles' music, like what I say, that drum figure where the ride cymbal is beingplayed like, I don't know, I can't mouth it, I can't mouth the ride cymbal, what am I doing?" }, { "startSec": 738.67, "endSec": 753.161553133515, "text": "You just listen to the song and listen to the ride part, the intricate kind of syncopated soundof that ride cymbal. That's one of the things that Paul McCartney was looking for in a drummerand Ringo Starr could nail it and so he was hired." }, { "startSec": 753.161553133515, "endSec": 775.15, "text": "George Martin, forever, for then on,would still kind of not love Ringo's playing, but I love Ringo's playing and sometimes the sometimes the things that are limitations end up creating the most interesting parts.And so I feel that way a lot with Ringo's playing where he's not the most technical drummer.There are plenty of parts of his playing that are kind of strange," }, { "startSec": 775.15, "endSec": 796.0239495798319, "text": "herky-jirky, whatever, and that's part of the magic of the band. Part of what makes them so coolis that they are not like what we'll talk about with progressive rock, like a prog band.They don't have a jazz drummer like John Densmore of the doors that we'll get to.They instead have a drummer that has got that Ray Charles kind of sensibility." }, { "startSec": 796.0239495798319, "endSec": 802.59, "text": "He can play some cool syncopations, but is limited in other respects. And so the rest of the band has to pick that up." }, { "startSec": 804.93, "endSec": 818.7293063583816, "text": "They cut, they cut some songs and George Martin is impressed. They cut some more.And they do the songs, please, please me and love me do and P.S. I Love You.After tracking, please, please me, George Martin." }, { "startSec": 818.7293063583816, "endSec": 838.21, "text": "Then already a pretty established producer,but about to become arguably the greatest producer of all time, predicts the Beatles have just made their first number one, and he was right. So Beatlemania was the beginning of this British invasion." }, { "startSec": 839.17, "endSec": 848.13, "text": "They come to the United States and play the Ed Sullivan show, then like the biggest show.It's one of those kind of hard things, I think, for us to imagine." }, { "startSec": 849.17, "endSec": 865.224623655914, "text": "Like the closest thing we have is like going viral on TikTok or something. But this is way bigger thanthat. This would be like if everyone in the United States was on TikTok every day,and everybody got served the same thing. Like this was like the Super Bowl, but we don'tnot even have any people watch the Super Bowl anymore." }, { "startSec": 865.224623655914, "endSec": 890.4089298821712, "text": "Like it's kind of crazy to think of the sheer proportion of how many people were watching this one show. And then when the Beatles crushed iton their live performance on that show, that's it. Elevators to success because everyone saw it.Literally the ultimate do-or-die moment, which is kind of scary." }, { "startSec": 890.4089298821712, "endSec": 907.0700110920055, "text": "Like yes, I wish that that still existed because it would be great to be able to get that slot and go on there. It's also like howterrifying. But because they played all of the shows in Hamburg, because they were confident intheir abilities and they'd played live like crazy, they were ready." }, { "startSec": 907.0700110920055, "endSec": 929.6746741411595, "text": "They showed up and knocked it out of the park. And an interesting thing too that happens is by seeing the success of the Beatles,immediate success of the Beatles, other British bands now have a roadmap, have footsteps to followand boy did they. So the Rolling Stones, it's interesting." }, { "startSec": 929.6746741411595, "endSec": 936.61, "text": "They were like considered rivals to the Beatles. Like my dad talks about you were either Stones guy or you were a Beatles guy." }, { "startSec": 937.41, "endSec": 956.3944504021448, "text": "They're just kind of a weird thing to think about, I think, in my mind. Same thing, you know,like, hair metal versus Disco. I think these musical rivalries are really fascinating,kind of strange. Like why can't you just like both? But they're interesting economic reasonsand stuff. I'll get into another podcast." }, { "startSec": 956.3944504021448, "endSec": 970.93, "text": "But the Beatles versus Stones thing is particularly weird because the Beatles actually wrote the Stones first hit. Like they were not as rivalrous as people mightmake it out to be. But the Beatles, following right in those footsteps, 1964 as well," }, { "startSec": 972.21, "endSec": 978.29, "text": "they add that bluesier, grittier sound following in the Beatles, which is a little cleaner," }, { "startSec": 979.17, "endSec": 984.29, "text": "a little more teeny-bopper I guess, a little more idol like this point, you know, that evolves." }, { "startSec": 985.73, "endSec": 991.89, "text": "The Rolling Stones bring in a little bit more of the Blues sound. Again, a sound that" }, { "startSec": 992.85, "endSec": 1003.09, "text": "is American, but is foreign to a lot of Americans because they didn't listen to the right radiostations, they didn't shop at the right record stores to find this music. But it's cool too because" }, { "startSec": 1005.09, "endSec": 1022.3194277929156, "text": "by reintroducing the Blues through the Rolling Stones, you get this upsurge in popularity andinterest into people like a muddy waters who I start off. This entire thing, you know,looking at all of this rock history, so it all comes from the Blues." }, { "startSec": 1022.3194277929156, "endSec": 1043.087070151942, "text": "But somewhere along thathistory that kind of past gets obfuscated, goes into the mist, and the Rolling Stones help pull that back out. And that's one of the things I think is really cool about the Rolling Stones immediatelywhen they're successful. What do they do? You know, isn't that always fascinating? Like you getthe big check, you get the power. Like what do you do first?" }, { "startSec": 1043.087070151942, "endSec": 1064.7933249789512, "text": "First thing they do is they set up meetings with their Blues idols because they're actually fans of this music. They go hang out withmuddy waters and Howlin' Wolf at chess studios in Chicago. And they book chess to do their ownrecording sessions, which is a brilliant idea. It's like, hey, as a kid, you loved this thing,you loved this music." }, { "startSec": 1064.7933249789512, "endSec": 1075.97, "text": "Now you go to the place it was made, connect with the people who made it, and make some of your own in the exact same place. And guess what ends up happening?" }, { "startSec": 1076.85, "endSec": 1099.242572944297, "text": "I can't get no satisfaction comes out. 1965, the next year, you ride that wave of inspiration,you connect with those heroes, you go to the places, you feel that energy, and then you make aclassic song. And it's pretty cool too to see the difference in what the Rolling Stones look likein 1964 and their first appearance on Ed Sullivan." }, { "startSec": 1099.242572944297, "endSec": 1108.77, "text": "And what they would look like on the same Ed Sullivan show just a year later. And that's on the sub-stack as well. But it's cool, like the Beatles," }, { "startSec": 1109.65, "endSec": 1122.8311140583555, "text": "the Beatles opened that door, right? And but then a bunch of people just kicked it right open.You got Dave Clark five, you've got you got the animals, you know, similar ways of dressing,but very different sounds." }, { "startSec": 1122.8311140583555, "endSec": 1139.6865166569257, "text": "And then you also have like you really got me by the kinks where now there'sa adding in like a little bit of this proto punk rock, proto hard rock thing of beefier, meatier power chords. What is a power chord? Let me grab a guitar, so I can say all right,we're doing this live." }, { "startSec": 1139.6865166569257, "endSec": 1154.21, "text": "So a power chord, a power chord is when you have a root, root can be any note that's the beginning of the note, that's like the thing, the name of the chord. A C, you have the noteand then you have a perfect fifth above it. And so notice that this just kind of works together," }, { "startSec": 1158.85, "endSec": 1162.61, "text": "right? That's some old music stuff, like Gregorian Chants got that thing going on," }, { "startSec": 1163.73, "endSec": 1169.01, "text": "early organum, if you will. Then you can add in and just double up the root called the octave" }, { "startSec": 1170.05, "endSec": 1176.24, "text": "and add in the perfect fifth. Listen to the difference of that versus when I add in the third," }, { "startSec": 1178.08, "endSec": 1197.9580487804878, "text": "or a minor third, or just the power chord. Do you hear how the power chord is a little moreindeterminate, like a little bit more vague. It just is. It just is like, here's the note. It's gota little bit of support. It's like a backbone, but no color." }, { "startSec": 1197.9580487804878, "endSec": 1216.77, "text": "It's a little like less dimensional, like two dimensional rather than three dimensional. So you've got like this, or power chord versus amajor chord. Listen for that sound. And like, perfect example I think is like Nirvana, like" }, { "startSec": 1221.63, "endSec": 1246.85, "text": "easier with the guitar pick. But that is just power chords. That is power chords. It soundssuper different if I add in the thirds, bizarre, right? Or it's like, that's the easiest wayto get the two flavors. So anyway, power chords, that's becoming more of a thing in rock and roll." }, { "startSec": 1246.85, "endSec": 1269.7806166219839, "text": "Cool. It opens up entire new venues for musical harmony, for chords where they go from A to Bwhen you start taking way thirds. And it's funny because like, this is going on in jazz too, wherethere's an idea called modal harmony that is breaking you out of the old formal structuresof Western music and freeing you to kind of go wherever you want." }, { "startSec": 1269.7806166219839, "endSec": 1288.6957646784997, "text": "It's instead of a thinking of like, this chord leads to that chord, leads to that chord, the traditional music theory stuff,which I also like and it's also cool. It opens you up thinking, this note is free. This note isliberated. It can go up or down or sideways or nowhere." }, { "startSec": 1288.6957646784997, "endSec": 1302.992594105325, "text": "There is no feeling of leading tones of like pushing and instead just is. And that that energy is synonymous with punk music becausethat's what punk ethos is, right? Unbounded." }, { "startSec": 1302.992594105325, "endSec": 1324.2826983037794, "text": "And speaking of which, let's talk about the who.So the who makes liberal use of these power chords and also fancy chords later, especially with their rock operas, which we'll get to. But the who they come out with my generation in 1965,which is also like a super funny song to hear them sing now because they're super old." }, { "startSec": 1324.2826983037794, "endSec": 1348.8119771632241, "text": "And one of the lyrics is, I hope I die before I get old. They didn't. At least some of them didn't. Anyway,that that sound is doubled down and I absolutely love the who and I'll talk about them way more,especially when we get into like the ways the rock evolves because I think they evolve as a band,almost as much as anybody, including the Beatles. The yardbirds also deserve a mention here." }, { "startSec": 1348.8119771632241, "endSec": 1369.1718563685972, "text": "So the yardbirds are a great, great band on their own. But the most significant part of what they do isthey're like this incubator. They're this place from which all of these guitar gods come. This iswhere Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, some of my favorite players, they all do stints in theyardbirds." }, { "startSec": 1369.1718563685972, "endSec": 1389.7240578881954, "text": "So it's a really cool way to kind of like, it's like this band that helps guitars break on the scene that end up becoming these dynamic and important players for the rest of rockhistory. Also going on through all of this. So again, rock was in crisis and through crisis alwayssplintering happens because rock is a very flexible genre." }, { "startSec": 1389.7240578881954, "endSec": 1406.4751569256562, "text": "It starts splintering into these subgenres and these subgenres, you know, they come out and they come back in and a good example is folkand folk rock. So you got Bob Dylan who's like, you know, modern day Woody Guthrie at this pointblowing up on the scene, really important songwriter, American songwriter." }, { "startSec": 1406.4751569256562, "endSec": 1427.218355018177, "text": "And as this British invasion is happening, there's an American folk rock revival or folk revival happening that ends upmerging with the British invasion to create folk rock. And that's where we get bands like the Byrds and even, you know, and even Bob Dylan who picks up an electric guitar, which was, you know,terrible from the perspective of a lot of folk fans back then." }, { "startSec": 1427.218355018177, "endSec": 1437.15534102776, "text": "But that's what music's all about, about pushing the limits and pushing the envelope. From there, we push the envelope even further intopsychedelic music." }, { "startSec": 1437.15534102776, "endSec": 1454.5093490806132, "text": "Psychedelic music is the culmination of all of these things happening all at once,where you've got these power chords, you've got these fancy chords, you've got all of these bands and all this competition, which is also great for music, when you have a lot of new entranceinto the scene, a lot of excitement." }, { "startSec": 1454.5093490806132, "endSec": 1470.53, "text": "You know, if you watch some of these things on the Substack, you'll see the screaming teenagers and stuff, just this vibe, this rock vibe that was preservedfrom Elvis since like it's this new younger generation getting into it. But you add in" }, { "startSec": 1471.49, "endSec": 1486.871627296588, "text": "coming farther away from the post-World War II era. So the culture is changing and thentechnology is also shifting. We get more stereo music. So right now you're listening to mono. Thisis just my voice right down the middle, that is one speaker." }, { "startSec": 1486.871627296588, "endSec": 1507.73, "text": "But in the very beginning of the episodeof the very end, you listen to a stereo recording of my intro and outro music that's using both ears, using both speakers. And I find it very fascinating that like that's kind of the peakof technological innovation at this point. And it honestly is like the most important and impactful" }, { "startSec": 1508.85, "endSec": 1519.5910741687978, "text": "technological development in audio history beyond sound-on-sound recording, recording itself,and then stereo even to this day. Like those are the three main things, right?" }, { "startSec": 1519.5910741687978, "endSec": 1541.3184081488666, "text": "And because of it,we can develop all these cool effects, different kinds of reverbs as in spaces that you can put thelistener, different types of delays as in echoes, different types of modulation effects, ways that one ear interacts with the other or listens to a completely different thing than the other ear,making your brain feel all mushy and strange." }, { "startSec": 1541.3184081488666, "endSec": 1566.13, "text": "These are effects that have been completely alien to the human experience. And because of that, you add in this alien culture, this trend, this changeof post-war freedom and these governments and stuff are getting weaker because during a war,that's when governments are that they're strongest because they're trying to stop down any rebellions" }, { "startSec": 1566.13, "endSec": 1582.2295789473685, "text": "and no more, they control all the propaganda and they censor all the things they don't like.All these things that governments do to be big governments important in war, they can onlydo that for so long. And outside of war, it's really hard to keep that up in this population. I don'twant that." }, { "startSec": 1582.2295789473685, "endSec": 1598.611860757156, "text": "So the freedoms on their eyes, you got technology on their eyes, and then drugs are on their eyes too. When you add in all of that, you add in these brand new effects that no one's ever heardbefore. In addition to drugs, the people have never experienced before." }, { "startSec": 1598.611860757156, "endSec": 1611.22, "text": "You get a crazy, crazy confluence. It's like this combination of weird vibes, weird things that can take you on trips," }, { "startSec": 1612.42, "endSec": 1630.4107526881721, "text": "and the combination that each side kind of makes the other bit more impactful or better or havea bigger audience. And so in these last few minutes, let's talk a little bit about psychedelicmusic and how this definition of rock merges with the counter culture." }, { "startSec": 1630.4107526881721, "endSec": 1650.9927661009328, "text": "It changes from beingthe bad boy in terms of like the jailhouse rock bad boy to the bad boy in terms of like the anti-vietnam war protester, the vagabond, the counter-culturalist. It's the shift towards a freer,more inventive, more open mind." }, { "startSec": 1650.9927661009328, "endSec": 1668.3662994147303, "text": "And the first band that really does this is, band we were just talking about the Yardbirds. So Jeff Beck is experimenting with guitar feedback.And I talk about that on the sub-stack as well in terms of what feedback is, but it's basicallylike giving your guitar a little mini seizure." }, { "startSec": 1668.3662994147303, "endSec": 1679.94, "text": "Like there's the sound that your guitar is making is coming out of the amp, which is getting picked up by your guitar pickup, which is coming back out ofthe amp and loop it, loop it, loop it really, really fast over and over and over again. And you get a" }, { "startSec": 1680.9, "endSec": 1689.3759493670887, "text": "sound. But with cool effects, now that we have all the stereo stuff and the technology is coming up,you can make that really musical and really weird." }, { "startSec": 1689.3759493670887, "endSec": 1704.3721072226358, "text": "And that guitar feedback, the use of melodic feedback,something that was a negative before that you're trying to eliminate all feedback and stillsomething you want to eliminate most of the time when you're performing live, that ends up becoming part of the sonic palate." }, { "startSec": 1704.3721072226358, "endSec": 1729.7, "text": "And people like Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Paul McCartney, they end up using it to great effect. Same thing, the Beatles drop the first use of tape loops in a pop song.So tape loops are basically where you just cut up tape, you know, just a recording of somethingand spin it around. And you can alter the the speed and the pitch, the speed and pitch." }, { "startSec": 1729.7, "endSec": 1748.092525951557, "text": "A portmanue. That is able to be shifted and looped and chopped. And that kind of, you know,gives the nod towards where hip-hop is going to go, towards where sample-based music is going to go.And in 1966, they're doing that in a psychedelic record." }, { "startSec": 1748.092525951557, "endSec": 1761.7384875140701, "text": "The single is called Tomorrow Never Knows off of the record, the full-length record, rubber soul. And this music, a lot of it, again,coming from Great Britain in that British invasion is getting picked up by San Francisco." }, { "startSec": 1761.7384875140701, "endSec": 1787.38, "text": "And thenyou have these San Francisco bands, like Jefferson Airplane and the Grateful Dead, kind of picking up that vibe and playing with it, writing songs about things like psychological trips or going down therabbit hole like Alice in Wonderland or, you know, driving down the open road with the GratefulDead and turning that open road kind of song into like an hour and a half long jam session." }, { "startSec": 1787.38, "endSec": 1803.14, "text": "And I want to leave you with the doors. So the doors are a really interesting band that I thinkkind of caps off and encapsulates this psychedelic revolution in the way that it's going." }, { "startSec": 1804.18, "endSec": 1822.34, "text": "Because the doors are not the happy sunflower psychedelic. They're like the other side,they're the grittier, they're the bad trip. The doors explored what it meant to be" }, { "startSec": 1823.86, "endSec": 1849.86, "text": "in the underbelly of 1960s America, where it wasn't perfect for everybody. For a lot of people,it was downright awful. This is before all of the, you know, economic growth that we ended upexperiencing later. This is when there was a lot of poverty and deep poverty, you know, therewasn't, there weren't like food stamps, there weren't things. People just got left on their own." }, { "startSec": 1849.86, "endSec": 1866.605644599303, "text": "And the doors and Venice Beach were aware of a lot of that. They saw it around them and theybrought that Venice Beach sound onto the national stage, complete with bizarre illusions to being alizard king to trance-like states." }, { "startSec": 1866.605644599303, "endSec": 1875.1543097238896, "text": "And using kind of carnival sounds because they had one of the principal players, Ray Manzarek was an organist." }, { "startSec": 1875.1543097238896, "endSec": 1904.7, "text": "And so there's this weird kind of sound throughoutall of their music that I think adds to that trance-like experience, where you almost feel like you'relike lost in a carnival or you're traveling with the circus and you somehow stumble upon this band that's singing about Oedipus Rex. So that wasn't peace in love. Psychedelic. This is tension." }, { "startSec": 1904.7, "endSec": 1928.646253229974, "text": "This is internal. This is talking about where America's really at. And I love that conversationwith the reintroduction of the blues from the British invasion to the introduction of technologyand change and new recording techniques to now Americans picking it back up and adding into thatconversation, which will certainly get picked back up again by the Beatles." }, { "startSec": 1928.646253229974, "endSec": 1948.2964168819983, "text": "And that's going to be a recurring theme all the way until the Beatles break up where every time something new happens,from folk rock to psychedelic to anything, the Beatles are always on the Vanguard. The Beatles arealways pushing it. And I think a lot of that is because they paid their dues." }, { "startSec": 1948.2964168819983, "endSec": 1959.86, "text": "They spent that time in Hamburg. They did the hard stuff. And because of that music got a lot easier for them." }, { "startSec": 1961.14, "endSec": 1969.1300990099012, "text": "And they worked hard. They kept working hard forever. That's awesome. So anyway, I hope you enjoyedthis pod. Really excited about kind of what's next." }, { "startSec": 1969.1300990099012, "endSec": 1983.3409086280055, "text": "We'll talk about Jimi Hendrix and then we'll getinto kind of the 70s and these real rock stars, not with the Beatles or rock stars, but like rock starsin the way that you perceive like Led Zeppelin or in the ways that the Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger kind of evolve." }, { "startSec": 1983.3409086280055, "endSec": 2006.02, "text": "I find it really fascinating, the cultural aspect of rock and roll, not just the music and the kind of sounds and the styles, but also just like the stage presence and the vibe ofwhat these shows that end up becoming stadium shows, what they look and sound like because the Beatlesand their first stadium shows sound like crap because the PAs and the technology wasn't there to" }, { "startSec": 2006.02, "endSec": 2027.86, "text": "support it. But eventually you get people like Led Zeppelin that are playing stadium shows thatsound awesome and writing music specific for stadiums. But we'll get there. If you enjoy this,I'd like to invite you to like and subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube,wherever you get your pods. And also check out the substack at lovemusicmore.substack.com." }, { "startSec": 2027.86, "endSec": 2045.94, "text": "And if you'd like to check out my music, you can go to scoobertdoobert.pizza to find all of my other links" }, { "startSec": 2046.74, "endSec": 2058.26, "text": "or just go on the substack and you can click on Scoob's music and you can listen to it there.Thanks again for checking this out and I look forward to part 4 of history of rock coming up in a couple weeks." } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "scoobard-doobard", "count": 1, "note": "Host intro name ASR typo" }, { "id": "scubaord-url", "count": 1, "note": "Outro URL ASR typo" } ] }