{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "jeb-sherrill", "title": "Finding Channels in the Fretboard with Jeb Sherrill (the chair guy)", "kind": "interview", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/Finding-Channels-in-the-Fretboard-with-Jeb-Sherrill-the-chair-guy-e2q6ucp", "contentStartSec": 116.308, "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "openai", "model": "gpt-4o-transcribe-diarize", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T22:30:24.963Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 116.308, "endSec": 136.958, "text": "What's good, everybody? Welcome back to Love Music More. I am Scoobert Doobert, and I am joined by Jeb Sherrill, who's going to talk about his revelations with learning guitar, the chair system, and we're just going to talk about musical journey and ways that educators think about the instrument and just kind of grow as well as players. It's going to be fun.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 138.004, "endSec": 138.95399999999998, "text": "Thanks for having me, man.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 139.054, "endSec": 155.654, "text": "Yeah, no, it's a pleasure. So I'd love to just kind of step back. What was it you said like seven-ish years ago when you first kind of started digging into the chair system and what was that revelation like how did that kind of light bulb moment click and then let's get into what the chair system actually is.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 157.054, "endSec": 164.074, "text": "Well, it's kind of a wild story, Cool, you know. right on. I got really into guitar probably about 30 years ago,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 164.074, "endSec": 164.124, "text": "Okay,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 164.124, "endSec": 164.824, "text": "which", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 164.824, "endSec": 165.024, "text": "wow.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 165.024, "endSec": 187.93800000000002, "text": "probably ages me a bit. But and I wanted to do everything, you know, I wanted to strum, I wanted to lead, I want to do all kinds of stuff and nothing worked for me. I mean, I learned all the basic stuff, all the chords and boxes and yeah, which were just, you know, different ways of approaching the fretboard. And I just couldn't make it work. You", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 187.93800000000002, "endSec": 187.988, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 187.988, "endSec": 194.138, "text": "know, for some reason, it didn't work for my brain. So I put the guitar down for 20 something years.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 194.488, "endSec": 196.788, "text": "Whoa, yes. That's a real departure.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 196.788, "endSec": 207.138, "text": "And about seven years ago, I was trying to get into it again. I was really, I was like, well, actually, it was because I'd finally bought a new guitar.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 207.288, "endSec": 207.388, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 207.388, "endSec": 212.188, "text": "And unfortunately, the guitar was so nice that I realized I didn't deserve it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 213.244, "endSec": 213.544, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 213.544, "endSec": 214.294, "text": "I mean, yeah,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 214.294, "endSec": 216.69400000000002, "text": "No, I've heard that before. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 217.144, "endSec": 224.74400000000003, "text": "it was almost the epiphany, you know, it was like, oh my gosh, I can't, I cannot own this guitar and sit here, you know, plinking around", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 224.74400000000003, "endSec": 224.794, "text": "Good", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 224.794, "endSec": 224.99400000000003, "text": "on", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 224.99400000000003, "endSec": 225.09400000000002, "text": "on", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 225.09400000000002, "endSec": 225.24400000000003, "text": "the porch.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 225.24400000000003, "endSec": 226.394, "text": "you. Good on you.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 227.09400000000002, "endSec": 238.076, "text": "So. I got into YouTube and I was watching all kinds of videos and I got into, what's his name? Marty Schwartz. I'm sure you've heard of him.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 238.076, "endSec": 239.02599999999998, "text": "Yeah, uh-huh, definitely.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 239.02599999999998, "endSec": 245.726, "text": "And he had this one video where he showed a pentatonic scale that it was an extended scale, basically.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 246.426, "endSec": 256.328, "text": "So a five-note scale, the scale that most blues guitarists and rock guitarists kind of reach into, five-note scale, it's like the scale. Yeah, go for", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 256.328, "endSec": 256.428, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 256.428, "endSec": 256.578, "text": "it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 256.578, "endSec": 260.028, "text": "Kind of the, you know, just the beginning for all of us.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 260.028, "endSec": 260.828, "text": "Yes. Yep. Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 260.828, "endSec": 271.728, "text": "And for some reason, because it was it was a repeat, it was a repeating pattern. It wasn't like the boxes I'd always done that were, you know, you have five different boxes and they're all different.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 271.978, "endSec": 272.328, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 272.628, "endSec": 276.328, "text": "And for some reason that clicked with me and it was just working.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 276.578, "endSec": 277.028, "text": "Mm hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 277.028, "endSec": 283.18600000000004, "text": "And so. I was getting into all these, I'm a diagram nut.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 283.18600000000004, "endSec": 284.336, "text": "Okay, yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 284.43600000000004, "endSec": 294.336, "text": "So I was getting into all these diagrams and I was noticing that this pattern was identical for both major and minor. You just switched where the root was.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 294.43600000000004, "endSec": 294.886, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 295.136, "endSec": 301.23600000000005, "text": "And so late at night, I was probably a little sleep deprived and my brain was going weird places.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 302.1, "endSec": 308.25, "text": "And it just kind of hit me that this pattern was made up of three identical patterns.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 308.45000000000005, "endSec": 309.55, "text": "Cool. Yep. Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 309.55, "endSec": 309.8, "text": "And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 309.8, "endSec": 310, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 310, "endSec": 314.65000000000003, "text": "so it's kind of a funny story. I whipped out my phone. I couldn't find a notepad, which", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 314.65000000000003, "endSec": 315.1, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 315.1, "endSec": 316.3, "text": "was what I would usually use.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 316.3, "endSec": 316.35, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 316.35, "endSec": 316.70000000000005, "text": "So", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 316.70000000000005, "endSec": 316.8, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 316.8, "endSec": 323.40000000000003, "text": "I pulled out my phone and I got on note and I actually marked this little chair pattern, what I now call a chair.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 323.40000000000003, "endSec": 323.85, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 324.596, "endSec": 334.528, "text": "And that was it. Suddenly, ever since I found that, I started getting into diagrams and I just got. weird you know", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 334.528, "endSec": 338.978, "text": "Mm almost -hmm. like a sacred sacred geometry type Totally. thing into Yes. it you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 338.978, "endSec": 358.478, "text": "Yes. know really really weird and started extending it uh you know now now i use uh what i call thrones which are the diatonic version and i expanded it so that you so that now i use it to understand the structure of the whole fretboard", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 359.892, "endSec": 360.742, "text": "Cool. I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 360.742, "endSec": 360.992, "text": "And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 360.992, "endSec": 361.192, "text": "like that.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 361.192, "endSec": 362.092, "text": "for me, it's kind of", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 362.092, "endSec": 363.642, "text": "Go for it. No, please, please continue.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 365.792, "endSec": 372.192, "text": "become like music, like you're actually deconstructing, like I start seeing music on", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 372.192, "endSec": 372.542, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 372.542, "endSec": 373.392, "text": "the fretboard,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 373.392, "endSec": 373.492, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 373.492, "endSec": 383.548, "text": "especially at night. I mean, I do this in my head and I just see the music on the fretboard and it's. It's kind of spiritual it's weird, but it's kind of you know No, yes,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 383.548, "endSec": 389.89799999999997, "text": "it's good. It's good. There's a lot to unpack there. And I want to just try and translate a little bit of that for the non-guitar", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 389.89799999999997, "endSec": 390.09799999999996, "text": "please", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 390.09799999999996, "endSec": 390.14799999999997, "text": "player.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 390.14799999999997, "endSec": 391.548, "text": "because I know that sounded like mumbo-jumbo", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 391.548, "endSec": 413.73999999999995, "text": "No, but that's fun. And I think that one of my favorite things about this podcast is that this comes up a lot of like kind of the spiritualism and the mysticism of music where you, yeah, you identify these patterns, you see these things and you go, wow, okay, I need to share this. I need to. to codify this, I need to turn this into something. And so I really appreciate that and I resonate with that deeply.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 413.73999999999995, "endSec": 431.14, "text": "So the fretboard, one of the things that I think is really interesting about the guitar is you can play notes in so many different places. It's the same note, but it's on a different string. And it allows you to think in ways that are different, I think just fundamentally musically, than a linear instrument where", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 431.14, "endSec": 431.49, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 431.49, "endSec": 437.95, "text": "it's like you have a keyboard and you're going to play up and down. linear. I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 437.95, "endSec": 438.05, "text": "There's", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 438.05, "endSec": 438.4, "text": "actually think", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 438.4, "endSec": 438.55, "text": "one key", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 438.55, "endSec": 438.75, "text": "that one", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 438.75, "endSec": 439.4, "text": "for every note.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 439.4, "endSec": 455.3777044854881, "text": "key for every note. You just go up and down. But in the guitar, you can play that same note in a bunch of different places. And depending on where you're playing that note, the next things might be more or less convenient, therefore influencing the next things that you would play.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 455.3777044854881, "endSec": 472.4, "text": "So like positioning, your hand placement, your mentality, the patterns that you are leaning into, all of that ends up culminating in just different genre choices different phrasing choices just different note choices and i think that's a really cool part and part of the reason why i love fretboard based instruments absolutely", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 472.4, "endSec": 479.8, "text": "Yeah, yeah, me too. I, I think it's interesting that when people first get into guitar, it's probably the biggest hindrance.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 480.3, "endSec": 480.7, "text": "totally", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 480.7, "endSec": 481.2, "text": "I mean,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 481.2, "endSec": 481.4, "text": "because", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 481.4, "endSec": 481.45, "text": "it right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 481.45, "endSec": 487.75, "text": "there's so it's like infinite options like how do i it's part of the reason why it's so hard to read music and play guitar", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 488.404, "endSec": 491.054, "text": "Yes, exactly, which I'll admit is why I don't.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 491.054, "endSec": 492.904, "text": "right totally totally we", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 492.904, "endSec": 493.304, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 493.304, "endSec": 495.054, "text": "got tabs man yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 495.054, "endSec": 499.154, "text": "because it's made, well, you know, original notation is made for piano, which is perfect.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 499.154, "endSec": 499.454, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 499.454, "endSec": 508.704, "text": "It works great for piano. But you try to translate that onto guitar and you just, you have so many options and your brain just doesn't approach it the same way.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 509.004, "endSec": 513.104, "text": "or you can find out halfway through a phrase like crap i should have played this somewhere else like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 513.104, "endSec": 514.004, "text": "Right, right, right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 514.004, "endSec": 514.204, "text": "my", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 514.204, "endSec": 514.254, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 514.254, "endSec": 514.504, "text": "head should", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 514.504, "endSec": 514.554, "text": "shoot,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 514.554, "endSec": 514.704, "text": "be over", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 514.704, "endSec": 514.854, "text": "I went off.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 514.854, "endSec": 514.954, "text": "here", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 515.476, "endSec": 516.226, "text": "went off the edge yeah", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 516.226, "endSec": 516.576, "text": "exactly", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 516.576, "endSec": 519.176, "text": "i fell off the edge of the world here you know you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 519.176, "endSec": 519.926, "text": "totally because", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 519.926, "endSec": 520.726, "text": "know yes", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 520.726, "endSec": 526.476, "text": "the notes the it's like the stairs in harry potter like they like to change it's like things shift yeah cool", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 526.476, "endSec": 529.576, "text": "that's a really good yeah that's a really good analogy yes", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 529.576, "endSec": 542.476, "text": "awesome yeah and and so um i i kind of think that a little bit uh similar on like saxophone like there are different fingerings and different ways to achieve different notes and that creates slightly different intonation", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 542.868, "endSec": 554.268, "text": "um and allows you to yeah pass through phrases differently but i think that the guitar is nice because it's so visual and it's it is what allows the guitar to be a forever challenge like something i could think", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 554.268, "endSec": 554.518, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 554.518, "endSec": 556.418, "text": "you could dig into for the rest of your life yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 556.418, "endSec": 557.918, "text": "You can spiral forever.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 558.418, "endSec": 558.918, "text": "yes", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 558.918, "endSec": 574.392, "text": "You know, and I know people who could spiral forever just replicating, which I don't do much. I don't really replicate much. But for me, it's all about. About improvising and just kind of sliding down that rabbit hole infinitely. It's kind of kind of beautiful", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 575.444, "endSec": 582.194, "text": "I agree. And the improvisation is a, I think a critical part of anybody that wants to compose. I've", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 582.194, "endSec": 582.4939999999999, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 582.4939999999999, "endSec": 602.694, "text": "talked to a bunch of songwriters on here that, you know, have written like Beyonce and these big, you know, songs and they over and over and over again, they talk about the value of improvisation and how that's kind of the root of all songwriting and you kind of like flex that muscle and develop that muscle by improvising on a guitar or just singing or whistling or whatever, but it's just like.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 602.694, "endSec": 619.804, "text": "The act of fluidly just coming up with the next note from the note before coming up with a phrase from the phrase before and stringing them together in a logical coherent fun musical way That flexes the part of your brain that end up ends up composing. It's the same It's the same sauce cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 619.804, "endSec": 624.054, "text": "Right. To me, it's very much like bringing order out of chaos.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 624.704, "endSec": 625.304, "text": "I like that sure", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 625.304, "endSec": 635.5559999999999, "text": "You know, when I start playing over a backing track or something, I'll know what key I'm in. And I'll actually just play random notes all over the pattern until", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 635.5559999999999, "endSec": 636.156, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 636.156, "endSec": 657.906, "text": "stuff starts coming out to me. And then it's like it's like you it's like you find these channels, you find these channels in the fretboard and these channels are the music and they solidify here and there and you find themes and then you take that theme and you vary it and you vary it and you do this and that with it until you come up with a song.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 658.206, "endSec": 670.742, "text": "Yeah. Yeah, that's a great way to put it too. And I do the same thing, especially like, yeah, if I'm trying to kind of sculpt out a guitar solo or a guitar part, one of the best things you can do right in the beginning is just find your notes, find the colors.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 670.742, "endSec": 687.842, "text": "Don't think too hard about like, okay, I'm going to come right out the gate and just write the best guitar solo. I'm going to write the best thing. It's like, yeah, find those channels, allow that to speak through you. Just, you know, start by playing a scale or by playing some patterns and then you're going to start to naturally gravitate towards something more musical.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 688.5, "endSec": 689.25, "text": "Right, right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 689.45, "endSec": 705.7, "text": "Yeah. And I like to, I feel the exact same way about the boxes. So for those that don't ever play guitar or have never seen these things, one of the ways that as you were speaking to the guitar teachers try to simplify is to shrink the fretboard.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 705.7, "endSec": 717.3019999999999, "text": "So it's like you're only seeing instead of the whole fretboard, you're only going to see five frets and we're going to teach you how to play the scale within only those five frets. That's the way that I started to learn as well and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 717.3019999999999, "endSec": 717.502, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 717.502, "endSec": 726.1065977011494, "text": "it didn't work for me either because that's not the way the guitar actually works and It took me playing in a band and seeing someone not play that way.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 726.1065977011494, "endSec": 751.76, "text": "It was like, you know 15 14 or 15 i was playing bass in a band subbing for somebody i didn't know how to play bass but like close enough right um uh which ended up making me love bass forever and ever um but i i was they had to play like a parade and they were going to be on san diego local news i'm like i'm on it my first like live tv spot playing bass and i look over and the guitarist takes a solo and he's playing diagonally", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 752.308, "endSec": 752.308, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 752.308, "endSec": 752.508, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 752.508, "endSec": 760.408, "text": "never seen anybody like sliding instead of just playing in the box and then going high playing in the box he was connecting all the boxes and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 760.408, "endSec": 761.008, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 761.008, "endSec": 773.108, "text": "I was like I never even knew that I could think of it that way and it took me literally sitting next or standing next to somebody playing live for it to like for me to have that light bulb moment I didn't have like a system or anything like that but for it to like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 774.196, "endSec": 792.996, "text": "Help me get, you know, color outside the box. Right. Well, and it's so bizarre to me because, you know, ever since I came up with the system, I've talked with a lot of different musicians and the ones that have been doing it for years, the pros will often tell me, you know, that's how I play.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 793.046, "endSec": 805.938, "text": "Yeah, yeah. You know, that's how I see the fretboard. But they all start out with a box and then they do two boxes and then eventually. They start linking the boxes together and they start finding that diagonal pattern.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 805.938, "endSec": 806.688, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 807.288, "endSec": 821.196, "text": "And for me, it was like. Well, if I see that diagonal pattern in the beginning, that actually works a whole lot better for me because I feel like I understand the actual structure of the fretboard and it turns it into a little more of a piano,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 822.639331, "endSec": 824.639331, "text": "type of type of a structure.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 825.039331, "endSec": 835.489331, "text": "I've got some big news, everybody. My vinyl record is out. We didn't make a ton of these. So these guys are going to sell out. And I'd love for you to get your hands on one of them because they're so dope.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 835.489331, "endSec": 863.375331, "text": "they're so dope and it comes with a whole bunch of like liner notes and pictures and you know special stuff the things that really went into making this record and i want you to get your hands on it so go to scoobertdoobert.pizza or check out my instagram for a link or click the link in the show notes or the bio or wherever you're watching this to pick up your copy you know they're gonna sell out we really did not make very many of these and i want you to have it it's it's like a collector's item so", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 863.8093309999999, "endSec": 870.0593309999999, "text": "Thank you. Thank you for supporting my music, and I can't wait for you to hear it actually on physical vinyl. Enjoy the rest of the episode.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 870.8493309999999, "endSec": 882.5993309999999, "text": "the way you were putting it like streams because like i think of that too of like i yeah at first i was thinking connect box to box um but and i still know a lot of pro players that play that way where", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 882.5993309999999, "endSec": 883.0993309999999, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 883.0993309999999, "endSec": 896.7053309999999, "text": "it's like i i have got my moves to connect from this position to that position i kind of do my move to flow from there to there and now i'm like comfortable uncomfortable comfortable again you know and i never wanted to be that player either so That's", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 932.231331, "endSec": 937.181331, "text": "It's because, you know, everyone starts out horizontally and because", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 937.181331, "endSec": 937.431331, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 937.431331, "endSec": 946.0313309999999, "text": "the patterns are different in every position, it causes you to think that the fretboard is a bunch of chunks.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 946.1313309999999, "endSec": 947.581331, "text": "Right. Right. Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 947.8813309999999, "endSec": 950.1313309999999, "text": "Whereas if you look at it vertically,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 950.831331, "endSec": 950.8813309999999, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 950.8813309999999, "endSec": 954.831331, "text": "you start realizing, OK, there's really just one pattern. And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 954.831331, "endSec": 955.231331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 955.231331, "endSec": 959.509331, "text": "when you and when you. uh when you go to diagonal it's", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 959.509331, "endSec": 960.0593309999999, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 960.0593309999999, "endSec": 965.459331, "text": "this place that's right in between the horizontal and and the vertical and", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 965.459331, "endSec": 965.8093309999999, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 965.8093309999999, "endSec": 968.009331, "text": "it just kind it kind of blooms you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 968.009331, "endSec": 969.209331, "text": "Yeah, I agree.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 969.209331, "endSec": 969.5593309999999, "text": "know because", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 969.5593309999999, "endSec": 969.8093309999999, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 969.8093309999999, "endSec": 969.909331, "text": "at", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 969.909331, "endSec": 969.959331, "text": "agree.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 969.959331, "endSec": 975.259331, "text": "first you have that you know like the chair patterns but you don't actually play along the chair patterns you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 975.259331, "endSec": 975.659331, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 975.659331, "endSec": 984.8813309999999, "text": "you figure out where all the notes are around that and then you're actually you're playing what I call three-dimensionally because", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 984.8813309999999, "endSec": 985.081331, "text": "Okay,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 985.081331, "endSec": 985.3813309999999, "text": "you're playing", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 985.3813309999999, "endSec": 985.481331, "text": "cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 985.481331, "endSec": 988.481331, "text": "horizontally vertically and diagonally at the same time and", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 988.481331, "endSec": 990.181331, "text": "Yes, that's a it good just way to put opens it.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1023.229331, "endSec": 1031.979331, "text": "And the notes and the patterns are just these, you know, kind of amorphous things that link you to the sounds, but they're not the sounds.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1031.979331, "endSec": 1043.529331, "text": "And that reminds me of Frank Zappa said something along the lines of like, I have a basic understanding of the fundamentals of the instrument and I have an imagination. That's all I need.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1043.529331, "endSec": 1045.9473309999998, "text": "Yes. And he really used it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1045.9473309999998, "endSec": 1077.473331, "text": "Yeah, he did. He did. But that's... like okay a good example is uh early on in my playing career i learned like some of the top 100 guitar licks or like i learned this entire solo to free bird note for note and i learned the entire solo to eric clapton with cream's live crossroads note for note and um then every solo that i did it was just kind of like here's here's free bird again you know it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1077.473331, "endSec": 1078.223331, "text": "Right, right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1078.223331, "endSec": 1083.827331, "text": "like here's some There's some cool licks and that's natural. I think that's a natural thing. You're trying to learn the vocabulary", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1084.627331, "endSec": 1089.9873309999998, "text": "But eventually you want to play something new and interesting and you want to inject yourself And", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1089.9873309999998, "endSec": 1090.2373309999998, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1090.2373309999998, "endSec": 1094.6873309999999, "text": "licks, just by definition, they're not yours. They're", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1094.6873309999999, "endSec": 1095.1873309999999, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1095.1873309999999, "endSec": 1095.387331, "text": "quote-unquote.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1095.387331, "endSec": 1108.2373309999998, "text": "because you've learned a stream. You've learned a particular channel on the fretboard and then your brain expands on that a little bit, but it's still following that same channel and you're not really free.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1112.033331, "endSec": 1117.583331, "text": "I like that. That's a good use of free. I was made not free by Freebird.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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You know,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1212.575331, "endSec": 1212.675331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1212.675331, "endSec": 1213.9753309999999, "text": "give it guardrails", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1213.9753309999999, "endSec": 1215.675331, "text": "Right. Totally. Power of repetition.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1215.9753309999999, "endSec": 1216.175331, "text": "Yeah", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1216.175331, "endSec": 1224.7253309999999, "text": "And I get that. And I also like the some of the best complexity comes out of actual simplicity.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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It's actually really simple, but they're tricking you by what they're accenting, where they're beginning and ending, how they are phrasing things. So they are doing a complex thing within a simple sandbox, just like you were doing with those scales.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1287.969331, "endSec": 1290.3693309999999, "text": "Yeah, it gets interesting. I mean,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1290.3693309999999, "endSec": 1290.469331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1290.469331, "endSec": 1291.8693309999999, "text": "it can get wild.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1291.8693309999999, "endSec": 1292.019331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1292.019331, "endSec": 1294.6193309999999, "text": "I mean, it can be as wild or simple as you want. That's", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1294.6193309999999, "endSec": 1294.719331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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And I, that, that's funny because I think about when I'm doing solos, I'm primarily pentatonic still. because I generally don't get that weird so I'm usually in like a pop-ish context I don't play a ton of jazz but I like yeah but I like getting yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1320.7173309999998, "endSec": 1322.4673309999998, "text": "expect it but i can't do it no", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1322.4673309999998, "endSec": 1335.567331, "text": "yeah right I understand I also think the jazz guitar is surprisingly difficult for just tonally and in a lot of ways like I think it's really easy to end up sounding like Steely Dan not that that's a bad thing that's a great thing", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1346.699331, "endSec": 1346.849331, "text": "that's", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1346.849331, "endSec": 1347.149331, "text": "that we true, articulate", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1347.149331, "endSec": 1347.299331, "text": "yeah.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1347.299331, "endSec": 1375.073331, "text": "it all that kind of stuff but anyway um i i one of the other dawning moments for me was thinking about diminished stuff and like that's one of the things i took from jazz like tritone substitution and so for listeners we're getting way deep in here but what what that is is it's The thing that makes you want to resolve music, the push resolution, that 5-1, that song is over kind of thing.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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And I like the guitar, like you're saying, the patterns and stuff you can think in terms of shapes. And another light bulb moment for me was... I learned arpeggios, but", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1476.5233309999999, "endSec": 1481.2733309999999, "text": "Mm I-hmm. learned arpeggios distinct from chords and like two distinct from chords where", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1481.2733309999999, "endSec": 1498.923331, "text": "Right. when it really started to make sense for me was playing little mini chords, not the full on like here's a big bar chord, just like a little chunk of a chord and then playing the arpeggio around them, little chunk of a chord, playing the arpeggio around it and then connecting those little things throughout the scales. So this is probably very similar the way that you think, but like", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1498.923331, "endSec": 1518.0133309999999, "text": "Yes. that allowed me to play, interact with chord progressions, interact with rhythm. rhythm guitar and pull that into my lead guitar in a like very i just felt like natural musical open you up so you're not just thinking i'm only playing one note or i'm only playing chords it's like Whole thing. Whole buffet is open me any moment.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1518.213331, "endSec": 1528.213331, "text": "Yeah, it brings it together. Yeah, right. I remember a very similar lightbulb moment I had was when I realized that I could arpeggiate on two strings instead of three.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1528.413331, "endSec": 1536.5133309999999, "text": "Yeah, right. Yes. Yes. And the moment that clicked, Uh it was like, -huh. oh, I don't have to look at this as chords. I mean, yeah, it's a chord,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1536.5133309999999, "endSec": 1553.253331, "text": "Yeah but I'm not playing it as a chord. Right. And and it just it, you know, once you realize, OK, I can play this note here and I can play this note here so I can play that chord, but then I can stretch it out on two strings and play it there and everything, you know, it just opens up more.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1553.3533309999998, "endSec": 1557.903331, "text": "Yeah, it Like does. you said, because because you're moving vertically instead of horizontally.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1557.903331, "endSec": 1579.575331, "text": "Right. Right. That's a good way to put it because it's vertical. And then it also allows you to associate different. I guess patterns with the chord patterns that are adjacent. So like there's like a little A minor shape and I know that I've got my A minor arpeggio. I know that I got my little A minor shaped pentatonic and then I also know how to like get in and out of it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1579.575331, "endSec": 1593.7753309999998, "text": "It allows you to think like blocky and then not blocky depending on situation or what you're doing genre or feelings. Yeah, it's good. That's really cool. What did, what do you think about right hand technique?", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1593.7753309999998, "endSec": 1614.7433310000001, "text": "technique so i know we've been talking pretty much Oh exclusively the left hand of like finding the notes that are you know if you're a left-handed guitarist which this is actually something that i've always thought is weird if you're left-handed why do you play the hard stuff with your right hand why don't you just play the guitar wouldn't you be better like why don't i why don't right-handed guitarists play", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1615.777331, "endSec": 1626.327331, "text": "With the right hand, I don't understand that. Right. That is a really interesting question. And I think it just depends. It's because of the way the left and right side of the brain work.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1626.577331, "endSec": 1638.0053309999998, "text": "Really? Okay. Um, like if you notice game controllers, your Yeah. Okay. movement, you control with your left hand, which is less, less dexterous, but you just push a button with your right hand.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1638.0053309999998, "endSec": 1645.7553309999998, "text": "Yeah, Why? that's a good point. Why? Yeah. You know, it's Right. because there's some things that your left hand is just better at, even though your right hand is dominant.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1647.712662, "endSec": 1659.6286619999998, "text": "that's so interesting yeah because i i get like yeah this this hand's doing a lot and i i switch positions and stuff during when i pick uh depending on what i'm doing but like it's not as much as the work i got", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1659.6286619999998, "endSec": 1659.728662, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1659.728662, "endSec": 1660.028662, "text": "going on", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Sometimes I've almost wondered if maybe because it's less dominant, you're How do I put this like like your brain allows it to do more like", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1687.116662, "endSec": 1689.9166619999999, "text": "okay it's like more of a blank canvas kind of it's yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1689.9166619999999, "endSec": 1696.516662, "text": "more of a blank canvas and so your your brain kind of goes Okay, well, I don't know how to use this thing. So I'll just let it do what it does where", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1696.516662, "endSec": 1696.616662, "text": "cool", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1696.616662, "endSec": 1703.566662, "text": "your right hand is very your brain knows what to do with this hand And so it makes it more more stagnant", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1704.134662, "endSec": 1716.0346619999998, "text": "yeah yeah that's interesting and like maybe yeah maybe it is like a fine tooth thing too like like throwing feels so much more natural with my right hand like the big motion like a football or a baseball", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1716.0346619999998, "endSec": 1716.7846619999998, "text": "Right, right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1718.886662, "endSec": 1723.786662, "text": "Right. But yeah, I guess writing, I don't know. It's an interesting question. I think about it a lot. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1884.904662, "endSec": 1887.404662, "text": "And that winds up being some of your coolest moments, right?", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1887.404662, "endSec": 1908.2046619999999, "text": "totally or if you're just you accidentally shifted the thing you were going to play like up or down slightly it's like some of the coolest jazz stuff is literally just that of like you take a normal idea and you put it in the wrong place it's that's cool and that creates its own dissonance too is that um like", "speaker": "Luke F. 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And you realize they probably didn't, you know, but", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1939.892662, "endSec": 1940.4926619999999, "text": "-huh yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1940.4926619999999, "endSec": 1954.392662, "text": "they did it. They did it. You know, it's, it's, it's where you, you, you know, to me in a lot of ways, music is like trying to contact your subconscious, trying to move things over to your subconscious so that your conscious brain isn't making those decisions.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1955.942662, "endSec": 1955.942662, "text": "That's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1955.942662, "endSec": 1956.192662, "text": "But", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1956.192662, "endSec": 1956.3926619999997, "text": "a cool", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1956.3926619999997, "endSec": 1956.442662, "text": "you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1956.442662, "endSec": 1956.5426619999998, "text": "idea.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1956.5426619999998, "endSec": 1959.692662, "text": "have to build enough foundation that you can do that.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 1960.192662, "endSec": 1977.0926619999998, "text": "Yeah, right. I mean, I think it's very similar to language where being able to gather the next words that you want to say and string together things, it's a combination of understanding the vocabulary, the idioms, the shared cultural context, and then yeah, just", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1978.054662, "endSec": 2004.7546619999998, "text": "knowing how people speak but when you talk to somebody who's learning english or if you're speaking a different language the pitfalls of oh crap how do i put this or what's that vocab word those can cut off your ability to really communicate what you're trying to go for and the best language learners are the ones that just plow through they're like i don't understand i don't remember this word but it's kind of like this it's the opposite of that and it goes like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2004.5826619999998, "endSec": 2015.3326619999998, "text": "goes like this and they just like keep going um that's a really powerful thing and and then they'll then they'll gather that fundamental knowledge but yeah i like that that communing with your subconscious is a really cool way to put it", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2015.982662, "endSec": 2029.682662, "text": "Yeah, and I think that's an interesting way to put it too, because I think, you know, both music and language are both, they're kind of the two ways that we as humans translate emotion and meaning into sound.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2031.750662, "endSec": 2031.750662, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2031.750662, "endSec": 2049.000662, "text": "And, and of course music is really, especially singing music, which I don't do, I can't sing for anything. But something cool about that is that you are using both, you're using language and you're using sound in order to, to, to translate emotion, to, you know, transfer meaning into somebody else.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2049.2006619999997, "endSec": 2054.400662, "text": "Right. Right. And try and capture the things that are like out in the air. Like what, that's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2054.400662, "endSec": 2054.800662, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2054.800662, "endSec": 2062.386662, "text": "one of the reasons why I think that. There's a lot going on right now of catalog music. There's a lot of investment going into old", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2062.386662, "endSec": 2063.036662, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2063.036662, "endSec": 2065.936662, "text": "music, which is perfectly reasonable. It's a proven", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2065.936662, "endSec": 2066.236662, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2066.236662, "endSec": 2073.3366619999997, "text": "thing. And I understand that hedge funds and whatnot, they want to get their money in, so they're going to buy the Bob Dylan catalog and they're going to milk it for all it's worth.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2073.536662, "endSec": 2073.636662, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2073.636662, "endSec": 2084.148662, "text": "That's understandable and that's fine. But nobody really understands how valuable it is to distill this current moment. Everything about it. into sound be it", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2084.148662, "endSec": 2084.398662, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2084.398662, "endSec": 2092.748662, "text": "instrumental or vocal whatever and it's not about a protest song it's not about any of that it's about like what does it feel like to be alive in 2024", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2094.2986619999997, "endSec": 2102.398662, "text": "there are going to be similarities there are going to be nostalgic effects of the past and all that kind of stuff but these those channels the subconscious subconscious", "speaker": "Luke F. 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This is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow. So if you want to do this, you go into the podcast screen, right? You click on the dot dot dot on Spotify.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2183.438662, "endSec": 2192.2302457104074, "text": "Under there, it says rate show and you go and you click it. Five stars. If you could do that for me, that's the best way for the algorithms and all this stuff to share it out with the world.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2192.2302457104074, "endSec": 2208.714662, "text": "I know that it's a lot to ask, but if you could please, please, please just please just hit those three dots and then a five star would really help us out and helps us, you know, get the get the word out and spread the love of music. So thank you. If you're listening on YouTube, you know what to do, like, subscribe, all that good stuff. Thank you so much. And here's the rest of the episode.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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I mean, I love the way you can look at any bit of music now and see all the influences, all the people from all the countries that have all come together and maybe not together physically, but together in the music.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2261.478662, "endSec": 2261.478662, "text": "Definitely.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2261.478662, "endSec": 2265.578662, "text": "you know we because we're all influenced by everything we hear and", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2265.578662, "endSec": 2265.678662, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2265.678662, "endSec": 2270.178662, "text": "we and and we somehow pack that together and create something new out of it which is just cool you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2270.178662, "endSec": 2270.478662, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Well,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2592.619993, "endSec": 2592.9699929999997, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2593.2199929999997, "endSec": 2603.2199929999997, "text": "and I've got a few students now who have told me, you know, they have, you know, because I have a few videos laying the boxes and the cage over chairs", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2603.2199929999997, "endSec": 2603.769993, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2603.769993, "endSec": 2605.619993, "text": "and they use it all.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2605.619993, "endSec": 2606.669993, "text": "Cool. Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2606.669993, "endSec": 2611.669993, "text": "And I think, wow, they must really, I mean, I wish I could see it in that many different ways.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2611.669993, "endSec": 2612.269993, "text": "Right. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 2643.7379929999997, "endSec": 2643.8379929999996, "text": "you mean.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2643.8379929999996, "endSec": 2654.8379929999996, "text": "to practice so much to be able to do it and it's cool it's like it's cool it's not enough for me to be like i must you know like when i first heard funk music i was like i must right", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2654.8379929999996, "endSec": 2655.387993, "text": "Yes, yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2655.387993, "endSec": 2656.5879929999996, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2656.5879929999996, "endSec": 2660.937993, "text": "Well, you know, that's something you can sink into. You", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2660.937993, "endSec": 2661.787993, "text": "yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 2680.897993, "endSec": 2683.0479929999997, "text": "love watching it I mean I watch it like yes", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2683.0479929999997, "endSec": 2705.247993, "text": "totally no it's awesome it's awesome i don't know it feels kind of like uh like a phd degree like a you know like a phd they they are not generalists they are specialists by definition like they extend out that bubble of human understanding this much and they are experts in this little thing they wrote their thesis on and they're gonna go down that rabbit hole forever um that kind of music feels like uh the guitar stuff like phd guitar", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2705.2599929999997, "endSec": 2705.6599929999998, "text": "sorry which", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2705.6599929999998, "endSec": 2705.809993, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2705.809993, "endSec": 2706.309993, "text": "is cool and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2706.309993, "endSec": 2706.4099929999998, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2706.4099929999998, "endSec": 2707.6599929999998, "text": "i'm glad it exists yeah but", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2707.6599929999998, "endSec": 2707.859993, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2707.859993, "endSec": 2708.1599929999998, "text": "yeah it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2708.1599929999998, "endSec": 2708.4099929999998, "text": "yeah. No,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2708.4099929999998, "endSec": 2708.5099929999997, "text": "not", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2708.5099929999997, "endSec": 2708.559993, "text": "I mean,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2708.559993, "endSec": 2708.709993, "text": "for me", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2708.709993, "endSec": 2713.209993, "text": "I can't wait for these young guys to get a hold of the chair system and do that kind of stuff.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2713.209993, "endSec": 2713.609993, "text": "yeah heck", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2713.609993, "endSec": 2713.809993, "text": "And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2713.809993, "endSec": 2713.9099929999998, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2713.9099929999998, "endSec": 2732.367993, "text": "I'll watch it and I'll go, wow, that's cool. I, you know, because there's stuff you can do with the system that I can't, there's a lot you can do with the system I can't do it because it makes it so easy to. It makes it easy to change key. It makes it easy to just jump between arpeggios.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2732.4679929999998, "endSec": 2732.9679929999998, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2733.7179929999998, "endSec": 2741.767993, "text": "It there's so many. I mean, that's one of the weirdest things for me was figuring out how much I could do on it that I can't do.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2742.347993, "endSec": 2743.497993, "text": "Cool. I like that. I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2743.497993, "endSec": 2743.647993, "text": "And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2743.647993, "endSec": 2743.997993, "text": "like that.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2743.997993, "endSec": 2747.397993, "text": "just like, Yeah. I'm like, well, someone's going to have fun with this,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2747.397993, "endSec": 2747.647993, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2747.647993, "endSec": 2747.997993, "text": "you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2747.997993, "endSec": 2749.097993, "text": "right. Right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2749.647993, "endSec": 2749.847993, "text": "know.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2749.847993, "endSec": 2762.747993, "text": "Totally. Yeah, it's interesting. That reminds me of this one guitar solo that I did. It's still one of my favorites. It's really short. But what I basically did is I stacked all of I was practicing all of the different pentatonic shapes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2763.627993, "endSec": 2769.2779929999997, "text": "um like the cage system pentatonic shapes all in one hand position so Mm-hmm. it was it was a", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2769.2779929999997, "endSec": 2777.477993, "text": "Yes. bunch of different keys it's a bunch of different keys but it was all the different shapes um and i was able to play super fast because they were all like super familiar pentatonic shapes and", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2777.477993, "endSec": 2790.327993, "text": "Right. so i just went it's like that was so cool um it was so shreddy but um yeah i don't know like doses right like i i just couldn't make a i couldn't make it be my thing", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2791.211993, "endSec": 2807.861993, "text": "Yeah, yeah. I have a lot of stuff. Like I remember this one time I figured out a way that, you know, part of the way I use the chair, especially when I extend it to the throne, is that I use it to be the circle of fifths. Because", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2807.861993, "endSec": 2815.1619929999997, "text": "Mm-hmm. if you put a throne on the low E string, you can automatically know all the chords associated with that throne. So", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2815.1619929999997, "endSec": 2835.477993, "text": "Got it. in other words, all the thrones associated with that key. And. Okay. So what I figured out was I have a shape that I use to play the first, second, third, lower fifth and higher fifth of every key associated with that key.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2835.627993, "endSec": 2846.7579929999997, "text": "Okay. So, you know, if I'm moving from chord to chord, I know all the notes I can play, but I just move around the chair shape instead of. instead", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2846.7579929999997, "endSec": 2872.657993, "text": "Yeah, of switching positions exactly. and and so I learned how to really compact like you were saying how I could play first second third fifth of all the different chords associated with that key just in this one little area and I was like well that's cool I don't know what I'll do with it but cool you know and I let them have it I do a video on it and I'm like okay enjoy this you know do whatever you want", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2873.227993, "endSec": 2889.427993, "text": "I love that. I love that. No, and that's like, that's part of the way that I think guitar gets moved forward. I was talking with my guitar teacher when I was, you know, 15 or 16, and I learned a part and I didn't realize that it was delay.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2889.995993, "endSec": 2915.745993, "text": "i just learned how to play it and he's like dude that was super fast like that's crazy and i'm like yeah it was like learning the part he's like no he just has a delay pedal he's playing like every fourth note and he just decided to play all of them i'm like oh but like that's the way i feel like that's part of the way that you know some of these like newer shredders kind of get there is that effects and digital editing unlocks a different part of the instrument and somebody learns how to actually play it", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2916.523993, "endSec": 2939.273993, "text": "Yeah. And I think that's cool. I mean, Yeah. some people are, you know, they kind of denounce all the people who, all the players who are basically sitting in their studio. They don't have a whole lot to do with other musicians. They just sit there and they play and they get better and better and better. And I'm like, well, you know what? They're figuring out stuff nobody else does.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2939.273993, "endSec": 2954.187993, "text": "Totally. Exactly. Right. It's cool. I Exactly. mean, I'm and let's face it for a lot of introverts like myself who don't have a whole lot of energy to hang out with other people. You know, it's how we do stuff and", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2954.187993, "endSec": 2959.587993, "text": "Yeah, we go yeah. down weird rabbit holes, Yeah, but, right. you know, it just expands music.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2959.587993, "endSec": 2968.4879929999997, "text": "Exactly. And that's a beautiful thing. Music deserves to be expanded and it deserves to be shared. And I appreciate that. That", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2968.4879929999997, "endSec": 2972.2379929999997, "text": "And too. now we can share it, Exactly. which is what's so cool, Now we have the you tools to share it. Yes.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2972.2379929999997, "endSec": 2973.337993, "text": "know. Yeah.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2975.3399929999996, "endSec": 2989.7399929999997, "text": "So I have one final question that I ask all of my guests. But before I do, is there anything else you'd like to talk about with the chair system, these thrones or anything else like digging any deeper? Or should we turn the page onto our last question? It's a biggie.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2989.7399929999997, "endSec": 2991.539993, "text": "Oh, gosh, I could probably take half an hour,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2991.539993, "endSec": 2991.5899929999996, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2991.5899929999996, "endSec": 2991.939993, "text": "but,", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2991.939993, "endSec": 2991.9899929999997, "text": "right", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2991.9899929999997, "endSec": 2992.0899929999996, "text": "you", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 2992.0899929999996, "endSec": 2992.289993, "text": "on.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2992.289993, "endSec": 3009.599993, "text": "know, fortunately or unfortunately, I could talk about it forever. I don't know. If anyone is interested in that, please, you know, check out Musical Chair System on YouTube and Instagram and TikTok or just go to my website, musicalchairsystem.com.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3011.399993, "endSec": 3022.849993, "text": "And, you know, if whatever method you're presently using for guitar isn't working for you, it might. I'm not saying it will, but it might. And", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3022.849993, "endSec": 3027.1999929999997, "text": "Gotcha. it will allow you to do weird things on guitar that you probably couldn't do otherwise.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3028.811993, "endSec": 3029.511993, "text": "Now I'm sold.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3029.761993, "endSec": 3034.461993, "text": "Okay. And on with your question.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3035.461993, "endSec": 3055.461993, "text": "So the final question that I like to ask every guest of this show is called Love Music More. This final question is love music why. Why do you love music? What animates you so much about it? What makes you passionate to dedicate so much of your life with all those guitars in the background, making the website, making the system, what animates you to just keep at it for so long? What brought you back to it?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3055.787993, "endSec": 3083.4879929999997, "text": "And what keeps you waking up the next morning doing it again? You know, because ever since I was probably four or five years old and my mother probably first taught me how to put a record into a phonograph and on my father, you know, he was teaching me all about bread beetles, bee gees, Gordon Lightfoot, all that kind of stuff.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3083.4879929999997, "endSec": 3109.711993, "text": "And on my mother's side, it was more the classical and folk of the 60s, that kind of stuff. And, you know, I could listen to those songs over and over and over again. And I still don't think anything has ever affected me more powerfully than, you know, Gordon Lightfoot's If You Could Read My Mind.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3109.811993, "endSec": 3124.677993, "text": "Yeah. You know, what music does, what it's capable of, what it does to me, and the ability to do it is just, it's godlike.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3125.877993, "endSec": 3142.2999929999996, "text": "You know, growing up, the idea of actually being able to play my own stuff was unrealistic. I mean, I didn't think it was possible. It probably wasn't until I was 19 or 20 that I even convinced myself that I could really do it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3142.2999929999996, "endSec": 3164.099993, "text": "Because I thought that people that created music just had something I didn't, you know, and maybe they did, but I think it's something that we all actually have. I think we're all actually capable of. And the idea of being able to make something like that, make something that affects people.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3164.099993, "endSec": 3170.953993, "text": "emotionally is just there's there's there's nothing more incredible it just isn't yeah", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3171.5539929999995, "endSec": 3190.903993, "text": "I love that. I wholeheartedly agree. The act of making music is readily accessible actually to all. It is a steep learning curve to get the fundamentals. But it's just like with music production, a good chunk of it is just learning how the program works.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3191.979993, "endSec": 3199.5299929999996, "text": "Yeah. Just like when you had to learn how to use Microsoft Word or Excel. And I will say another shameless plug, but", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3199.5299929999996, "endSec": 3208.229993, "text": "Please. something that a lot of people have said about my system is that because it's more intuitive, it does get you playing a lot faster.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3208.229993, "endSec": 3230.425993, "text": "Love that. And That's that really special. was what Yes. I found for myself. It's like, okay, before I even massively got into the music theory, which I have. But with that or not, if you just understand the structure, it's amazing how much of the music is just in that structure and you can just do it. It's not as hard as you think.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3231.975993, "endSec": 3246.5259929999997, "text": "So true. That's so true. And you're actually getting playing is the hardest. Yeah. Yeah, because I, you know, when I when they were first trying to teach me piano when I was a kid, the worst thing about it to me was they taught me everything about it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3247.211993, "endSec": 3254.461993, "text": "Hmm. But they didn't teach me how to play. Mm-hmm. And if you don't play first, you don't connect with it.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3255.011993, "endSec": 3266.461993, "text": "Yes. A bunch of rules and concepts that are going to be useful later, they're great, but they don't get you playing, they don't get you connected, and you don't feel the music. And if you don't feel the music, you can't play.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3268.427993, "endSec": 3279.2279929999995, "text": "On that job, thank you so much for joining the show. MusicalChairSystem.com, check it out and I really appreciated this conversation. It's great to geek out a little bit on guitar stuff.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3279.627993, "endSec": 3282.2279929999995, "text": "Well, man, thank you so much for having me. It's been a blast.", "speaker": "Jeb Sherrill" }, { "startSec": 3282.2279929999995, "endSec": 3284.127993, "text": "My pleasure. Thank you.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" } ], "correctionsApplied": [] }