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  "title": "The Peak Of The Euphonic with David Gnozzi (MixbusTv)",
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      "text": "I can give you a fork, you can eat your meal with it or stab me in the back,",
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      "text": "yeah that's right totally",
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      "text": "you know, it's always the user and how, what do you decide to do with it and, you know, yeah, that's human nature though.",
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      "text": "what's good everybody Scoobert Doobert here for love music more so excited about this conversation with david from mix bus tv he's a platinum mix and mastering engineer and producer, and he's the host and CEO of the popular YouTube channel, Mixbus TV. Mixbus TV has trained like literally hundreds of thousands of people on how to be better mix engineers, interviewed some of my all-time heroes all over the industry.",
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      "text": "It's amazing. He's an educator. He works tutoring, level up their skills in mixing and mastering. He is also working with a bunch of really great industry partners. We talked about one of which that he's helping develop.",
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      "text": "of the software for and give feedback and he's just such a kind of industry nexus point for all that is gear and mixing and mastering and telling the story and the importance of details and caring about your actual art and your craft so it's a wonderful conversation and i'm so excited to share it with you before we do i'd like to thank our title sponsor district DistroKid.",
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      "text": "Hello.",
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      "text": "David?",
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      "text": "Hello, everybody. Thank you for having me.",
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      "text": "So excited to be talking with you. I'm just, there's so much that you do, and I'm so excited to unpack just the varied career that you've created. And I think it's so illustrative for kind of like what it looks like to be a modern mix engineer, master engineer. You can't just kind of do one thing anymore.",
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      "text": "How did you end up taking on so much and kind of expanding your scope? Did it start from one place and move to the next or did you always kind of see yourself as somebody that was so multifaceted?",
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      "text": "no definitely definitely not it was a kind of a natural evolution that's how i like to see it and uh as for how i ended up doing this much is the main reason is because i can't stay still right",
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      "text": "and you know the the achieving a goal it just opened the doors for the next one for me right",
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      "text": "I this is this is on all aspects of my life you know whether it's literally everything like whether it's my training whether it's work whether it's anything like bettering yourself like I see it that way I can't you know hold still in one place so when I think at least I achieved Phase one, I'm already thinking about, you know, phase two and three and four and five.",
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      "text": "And yeah, and I think the other reason is because I have a genuine passion for music, all aspects of it. And I'm beyond blessed and I remind this to myself every day that I am beyond blessed to be able to do this for a living. You know, like working with music for a living is a dream that many, many people have. It's not easy and I really feel blessed. So that...",
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      "text": "only makes me want to work harder you know which is maybe counterproductive because a lot of people think like oh when i am at this level i can relax no",
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      "text": "actually at least if you are like me that's like let's go let's see what we can you know where we can get and uh but yeah passion is the driving element for sure some sort of uh work ethic that i built that you know i just have to keep going and moving and like a body in motion stays in motion if you stop stuff it's you know that's the end of it plus",
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      "text": "this is a very very competitive field beyond because this is a shark tank how i call it so that's also that aspect i don't really think about it that much this is more a subject that comes into falls into conversation with other engineers and other people in the industry we talk about it how hard and competitive the field is it's not something that i actively think about it but here and there you know you gather together you're like there",
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      "text": "as a musician and i was a musician i was a professional musician assigned with a record label big like big major record label and then uh i didn't i didn't really like that lifestyle it's not the only reason that where i i really was the you know the horror stories that you hear with labels fucking",
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      "text": "music as an artist right first person being on stage doing all that big issues with the labels you know it was it was such a mess like all the horror stories that you heard the corridors rumors that happened to me and uh it kind of opened my eyes when i was playing one time in this big festival in helsinki in finland and uh a band that was playing it was like mortis you know they've been doing it for forever",
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      "text": "you know what happened and and i you know i thought that was happening to me only i was young and naive so to speak and they told me oh yeah you see those guys they you know that label doing it with that see those guys that label doing it with them too i was like what the fuck",
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      "text": "now right now there's many people kind of you know exposing so to speak the bad deals and what labels do that now everybody does okay you gotta watch your back but when i signed we didn't know better you know and we side so not that we had any pulling power i call it Uh that",
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      "text": "was the contract if you want it this is it otherwise you walk there's another 10 people right so you have no pulling power because you're nobody probably if i knew i wouldn't have because the second album for example",
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      "text": "they really make it hard for you, you know, I mean, if you're a professional musician, now it doesn't happen anymore, but 20 years ago, if you're a professional musician, that's your livelihood. If they don't pay you, what are you going to do?",
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      "text": "yeah you can't you cannot do it you're like like unless you are you know you already have money to begin with but you know yeah and so from there i was kind of i already kind of had a plan b without realizing it because i already i was already producing and mixing for my band for other bands um",
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      "text": "unfortunately yes and that's why i tell people don't do it yeah",
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      "text": "i i tell people don't do it don't do it don't do your music all on your own like",
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      "text": "yeah exactly so that was absolutely brutal right",
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      "text": "so there's a whole different you know layer of difficulties for the second and besides that just the amount the sheer amount of work it's the main reason that i",
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      "text": "compelling and refreshing sorry to interrupt this very important broadcast but it's time for one more advertisement for myself for this podcast um what i what i'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars share it with your friends this is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow so if you want to do this you go into the podcast screen right you click on the dot dot dot on spotify under there it says rate show and you go and you click it five stars if you could do that for me that's the best way for the algorithms all this stuff",
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      "text": "it gives you hope something like that and if you are about to if you're pumped and you're going to the gym or about like deadlift whatever you want to be even more pumped so it's kind of you know a natural drug i want to say right",
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      "text": "so you can if it does so many things for us for human beings it heals us it makes us laugh it makes us want to dance with it makes us want to love more it reminds you it reminds us of things like how many memories we have attached to a song and",
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      "text": "hear a song we immediately go back to where we were in high school or something like that or a specific summer right there's so many of these things happen and the second thing it's because it i can't express and this is very personal and you know limited to this but i can't express my own creativity even as a mix engineer so that's also my my out for my own creativity and uh yeah but the first one i think is the most important like",
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      "text": "music really does if you if we think about it that's so many things there was this inspirational quote running around at the time of the covid and uh that was kind of a again one of those things that you know but you don't think about it and it was like imagine if we were locked down for a year and a half without music movies and books we would be all dead From Suzanne.",
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      "text": "Yes, we will be all just jumping off the window, right? So we kind of tend to believe that these things are not necessary, like it's a frivolous thing, movies and books and music. That's survival level kind of need. It's just right below air and water, those things.",
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      "text": "So that I really believe it. I think music saved so many lives one way or the other and so books and so everything that is art. That's what art does. You know, it really is what art, any form of art does.",
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      "text": "Beautifully said. So where can people get in touch with you? Where can they? Get more and hear that awesome Andrew Scheff's interview too.",
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      "text": "yeah everything so of course the the youtube channel is MixbusTV and all the social medias are on MixbusTV so it's super easy whatever platform you are that's on MixbusTV and if you want to know more get in touch with me whether for uh booking mixes masters or lessons or anything there's a website that's called MixbusTV.com so we made it super easy and that's where you can get all the information",
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      "text": "information and get in touch and all that thank",
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      "text": "Thank you so much for taking the time, David. I really enjoyed this.",
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      "text": "you for having me thank you for having me",
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      "text": "My pleasure.",
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