{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "chris-hackman", "title": "The Soul of an Artist (with Human Barbie and veronicavon — Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen)", "kind": "interview", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/The-Soul-of-an-Artist-with-Human-Barbie-and-veronicavon--Chris-Hackman-and-Xuan-Nguyen-e272gag", "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "openai", "model": "gpt-4o-transcribe-diarize", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T19:26:58.345Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 0.244, "endSec": 6.594, "text": "Music appreciation one", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 10.996, "endSec": 34.096000000000004, "text": "What's good, everybody? It's Coover Doover here for another episode of Love Music More. And I have some really awesome special guests to talk about everything from projects in tandem, growing as artists, meeting people on the Internet, the good and the bad and the ugly of the Internet. So please, special welcome to Chris and Swan. Welcome to the podcast.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 35.596000000000004, "endSec": 37.651999999999994, "text": "Hello. Bye.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 37.952, "endSec": 38.901999999999994, "text": "How are you two doing?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 40.276, "endSec": 43.976, "text": "The best ever that Excellent. I've been in my entire life. Thank you. How are you?", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 43.976, "endSec": 47.826, "text": "I'm not at that same stage, but I'm trying to get there.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 48.426, "endSec": 50.676, "text": "Really? You look amazing. Your hair is glossy.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 50.676, "endSec": 61.726000000000006, "text": "Why, thank you. It's glossy because of the hot box of heat that I'm currently in that's just radiating. By the end of this podcast, I will be glowing with sweat.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 61.726000000000006, "endSec": 63.02600000000001, "text": "Oh, I love that.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 63.02600000000001, "endSec": 84.622, "text": "San Diego summer. So I'd love to just kind of hop in and... and start talking about your projects and kind of what you're up to right now in terms of creating music, and then we'll dig into background, philosophy, and what you got coming up next. So maybe you could kind of give the overview of what you've been working on and what you're currently working on right now.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 86.22200000000001, "endSec": 117.16199999999999, "text": "Um. I've been putting out music under the name Human Barbie for a few years. I have an album out and an EP and over the course of recording and learning how to put music out intelligently and evolving and performing, I met Swan and we started kind of like... sister brother cousin project human", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 117.16199999999999, "endSec": 118.262, "text": "Cool. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 120.562, "endSec": 137.56199999999998, "text": "Barbie is all acoustic instruments all analog effects it's the first album is done to tape so it's like a like a lo-fi rock I guess I would call it and Veronica Vaughn is lo-fi pop", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 138.26, "endSec": 138.56, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 138.56, "endSec": 144.20999999999998, "text": "More upbeat, more in the box, but still kind of like that woozy vibe.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 144.60999999999999, "endSec": 166.6925223880597, "text": "Like it. I like it. So I actually think that's really interesting to kind of divide the projects from a almost production technical standpoint as well as genre, but obviously the two inform each other, but to have a tape based project and then a computer in the box like on the computer for those of you that don't know what that might mean listeners. Um, I think that's really cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 166.6925223880597, "endSec": 172.33800000000002, "text": "Laptop production, tape production. What made you gravitate towards kind of doing both?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 173.68800000000002, "endSec": 174.238, "text": "Fine.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 174.33800000000002, "endSec": 180.388, "text": "Time? I like that. Yeah, it's so much faster to do in the box. That's a good point.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 181.43800000000002, "endSec": 187.948, "text": "Massively. Although... there are many things that are faster about tape", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 187.948, "endSec": 189.298, "text": "hmm that's interesting in", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 189.298, "endSec": 191.398, "text": "as well uh right", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 191.398, "endSec": 200.648, "text": "terms of like decision making or or like because you're you're having to lay it down to tape and so there's not that endless loop of let me tweak this let me tweak that is that is that kind of what you're getting at", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 201.948, "endSec": 221.954, "text": "in working with tape uh which i did on the first human barbie album was it like a 16 track i did all my apartment um But there's no room to edit and there's no comping, so when you're done, it's just done, and then you bring it in and mix it, which I mixed it in Logic.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 222.204, "endSec": 222.604, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 224.468, "endSec": 232.66799999999998, "text": "There's no editing at all. There's no tuning. There's no fixing. There's no moving anything around. You just move the faders and make it sound cool.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 232.66799999999998, "endSec": 249.418, "text": "Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And then on the other side, you have the computer with, you know, endless comping, you're taking the little different takes like I saw, I saw a Billie Eilish production song and it was like a production breakdown. It was literally every syllable was a different vocal take. It was Oh. stunning.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 249.418, "endSec": 268.96799999999996, "text": "Oh, wow. I mean, I believe it. To get that perfect tape, that Yes. perfect sound that we hear now, I just. am not sure if we have trained enough as people to deliver that kind of sound in that amount of like vocal training that one would need to be to sound like that.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 268.96799999999996, "endSec": 281.418, "text": "i get that and also there's it's like a different sound right the sound of finding the perfect like syllable or the perfect little microsecond rather than a whole phrase the performance just sounds different it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 281.418, "endSec": 281.96799999999996, "text": "So different.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 281.96799999999996, "endSec": 286.866, "text": "yeah yeah so i don't even if you could sing it i don't know if it'd be the same because it's like i don't know yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 286.866, "endSec": 294.216, "text": "Yeah, that's the, I mean, I think that's the beauty of like live music though when you, you know, you don't have a chance to come.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 294.966, "endSec": 295.166, "text": "i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 295.166, "endSec": 301.866, "text": "So the emotion is, I don't know, and it feels so different when you're in the room, I think.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 301.866, "endSec": 303.966, "text": "agree i agree", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 303.966, "endSec": 304.966, "text": "There's beauty to both.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 305.556, "endSec": 327.256, "text": "there is there totally is what are you what do you guys uh how do you approach a vocal session i'm curious like when you're when you're when you sit down you're like okay we're gonna we're gonna record the vocal say we've written the song or whatever we're gonna record the vocal how do you approach it how do you get in the right mindset how do you you know set up the microphone what walk me through kind of the the mentality and the philosophy behind like let's record some vocals", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 328.852, "endSec": 330.452, "text": "I'm not doing tape anymore", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 330.452, "endSec": 330.652, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 330.652, "endSec": 356.708, "text": "just because it's annoying and I feel like I've learned what I needed to learn from it. I'm sure it'll come back someday. But now for human Barbie or Veronica Vaughn, recording vocals. is much more similar to how I would do it on tape than it ever was before. So if I don't like a take, I'll just undo. And sure, it's there, but I never ever go back.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 356.708, "endSec": 357.00800000000004, "text": "Hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 357.00800000000004, "endSec": 358.00800000000004, "text": "So like,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 358.00800000000004, "endSec": 358.558, "text": "Interesting.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 358.558, "endSec": 374.742, "text": "track, undo, track, undo, you know, I'll break it up into sections. And there's not much that needs to be done really at the end of a recording session. Maybe it will pick between. like two or three versions", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 374.742, "endSec": 375.34200000000004, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 375.34200000000004, "endSec": 398.51000000000005, "text": "of it and just try and get the most natural sounding vocals almost also just to protect my time and our time now bouncing between two projects. It's a little bit of what they call content treadmill, where", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 398.51000000000005, "endSec": 398.86, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 398.86, "endSec": 410.36, "text": "anytime now that we're not working on a Veronica Vaughn album, I'm working on a human Barbie album, and then as soon as that's done, we'll switch back and forth forever, I guess.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 411.604, "endSec": 434.50399999999996, "text": "i like that yeah the forever creator uh creator journey um i'm curious for for you know on the the performer side like the vocal performer um kind of hat that you wear do you go do you go through any like routines like warm-up routines or like you drink this special tea or you have this special room or anything like that or you just kind of jump in front of the microphone you get it done you", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 434.50399999999996, "endSec": 446.86, "text": "What do you do? all warm up some um but with recording with chris i learned a lot i think before i met him i was just trying to be on key and sound pretty i'm", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 446.86, "endSec": 447.16, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 447.16, "endSec": 462.06, "text": "not sure there was really a feeling associated with it and then like listening to music of him and like him kind of guiding me when we record you know it changed a lot and i try to catch a feeling", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 463.572, "endSec": 479.972, "text": "rather than you know just always just singing on the right note so sometimes i don't know there may be a little breath that like wasn't expected or something or a sigh or a dip or something that's you know like i said not written but it works that's oh", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 479.972, "endSec": 481.672, "text": "Well, those, sorry, go ahead.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 481.672, "endSec": 485.172, "text": "no i was gonna say you were talking about like billy eilish's tongue", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 485.172, "endSec": 485.322, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 485.322, "endSec": 486.872, "text": "and", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 486.872, "endSec": 487.322, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 487.322, "endSec": 495.03, "text": "i was like that's probably how you know sometimes you can hear those sounds in certain syllables Instead of catching a whole phrase.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 495.33, "endSec": 519.88, "text": "It's so true. But I also see how the two can kind of go together where if you're not comping in that super minutiae kind of way where it's like I'm going to take this S and this A and we're going to make it saw. Instead, it's like looking at a broader phrase than having a less technical, more emotional kind of approach on the vocal performer kind of aligns with what Chris was doing on the.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 519.88, "endSec": 524.0799999999999, "text": "you know production side i can see that those things kind of they can form each other i'd say", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 525.8299999999999, "endSec": 558.794, "text": "Yeah, I love recording vocals so much because you can take. that you can take like lyrics that are kind of questionable but if you sing them right they're an absolute gut punch and you can take the most brilliantly written song you know and deliver it poorly and you're like well whatever no one cares so there's like this infinite like colors of what you can do and we're obsessed with the human voice and I think this is why to me", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 558.996, "endSec": 567.646, "text": "I mean, I'm sure obviously AI will expand and take over the world and do things that horrify and amaze us.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 568.446, "endSec": 584.196, "text": "But even the voice like emulators are so far from even scratching the surface of the like majesty and expression of what we can do with our voices.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 584.446, "endSec": 584.896, "text": "It's Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 584.896, "endSec": 596.616, "text": "just like a window into. So many shades of the self. I love trying all different ways of singing to see how, you know, it makes you feel.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 597.866, "endSec": 599.066, "text": "that's so beautiful are", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 599.066, "endSec": 599.716, "text": "That is pretty.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 599.716, "endSec": 610.304, "text": "we writing music again soon getting me all like inspired i'm so it's true That was a great way to say that.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 610.654, "endSec": 612.204, "text": "Ah, get out of town.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 612.954, "endSec": 621.7539999999999, "text": "That was beautiful. And I actually I'd love to now talk to you about that Grimes thing that we were talking about just briefly before the podcast.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 622.154, "endSec": 624.8539999999999, "text": "I'm very curious to hear what happened and how it went.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 624.8539999999999, "endSec": 646.7199999999999, "text": "So I for listeners that don't know Grimes. great musical artist does a lot of stuff in the electronic world as well and she made a basically this public statement saying you can use my voice as long as I get 50% of the royalties use it however you wish and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 646.7199999999999, "endSec": 647.37, "text": "Oh, wow.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 647.37, "endSec": 649.92, "text": "then her manager had to figure out actually how to do that so", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 649.92, "endSec": 650.8199999999999, "text": "How to do that.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 650.8199999999999, "endSec": 672.932, "text": "they made a website called elf.tech and on that website it's actually it's really well done they have all these pdfs and lore documents it's very silly it's awesome um and what you do is you upload uh up to like a minute long vocal recording and then they vocal transform your voice into her voice but they", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 672.932, "endSec": 673.182, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 673.182, "endSec": 698.182, "text": "maintain the pitch they maintain the articulation and it creeped me the hell out and so naturally I had to I had to make one and so I'm I'm basically probably 30 different vocal takes of my voice into this microphone then transformed onto the browser and then imported back into Pro Tools vocal harmonies and then I sang some stuff so it turned into this very bizarre duet where half of it sounds like wow she's saying it and half of it sounds super uncanny", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 698.036, "endSec": 708.036, "text": "canyon valley like something's a little off here but that was kind of interesting too and i wrote a song about being scared about the future and um so that's going to come out on friday but", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 708.036, "endSec": 708.736, "text": "Sick. Wow.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 708.736, "endSec": 714.1859999999999, "text": "it was a trip it was a trip and then you distribute it through her website and then they pay you in ethereum", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 714.74, "endSec": 719.14, "text": "and that Oh, type of wow. stuff yeah Okay. yeah That absolutely makes a lot of sense.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 719.14, "endSec": 730.39, "text": "yeah so that was my uh my very recent um and then i made my art through dolly the um ai art art generator um giving prompts and stuff um", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 730.39, "endSec": 731.59, "text": "oh i can't wait to see it", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 731.59, "endSec": 731.74, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 731.74, "endSec": 731.89, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 731.89, "endSec": 732.29, "text": "it's it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 732.29, "endSec": 732.49, "text": "a trip", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 732.49, "endSec": 733.09, "text": "it's a trip", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 733.09, "endSec": 735.29, "text": "I need to check in. It needs to be Friday today.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 735.29, "endSec": 739.84, "text": "yeah it i mean it can't be i'll just i'll just send you the file you know", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 740.66, "endSec": 742.06, "text": "Very interesting.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 742.06, "endSec": 765.06, "text": "yeah it's weird it's weird it was like it's definitely an experiment i think it could go farther but um we'll be really curious to hear your take on whether or not it preserves that humanity because it really what it is is it feels like i'm putting on her vocal cords because it keeps that articulation to a t like same vibrato same uh scooping into the notes all that kind of stuff um was replicated in her in her voice", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 765.684, "endSec": 766.2339999999999, "text": "Nice.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 766.384, "endSec": 766.9839999999999, "text": "Pretty weird.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 767.584, "endSec": 772.2339999999999, "text": "That's so crazy because I just read that book Never Let Me Go and Oh, yeah. this like applies.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 772.684, "endSec": 773.434, "text": "Tell me about that.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 779.534, "endSec": 785.4300000000001, "text": "It's I mean, I'm embarrassed to say, but it took me a minute. Should I spoil it? spoiler spoiler", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 785.4300000000001, "endSec": 791.38, "text": "Yeah, you can spoil it if you've never read Never Let Me Go and you want to read it, skip this.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 791.38, "endSec": 792.1800000000001, "text": "There you go. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 792.1800000000001, "endSec": 810.912, "text": "yeah Spoilers. spoiler spoiler it took me a minute to realize that they were clones you know i just thought that they were just you know teenagers living now anyway so it's set in the maybe not so distant future where um humans are making clones just", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 810.912, "endSec": 811.362, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 811.362, "endSec": 840.502, "text": "is explicitly for to harvest their organs but throughout the book you know you come to realize i guess it's kind of a flowery more poetic version of stephen stillberg's ai because it's like they have souls that's the you know um crutch of the book is like whether these you know clones have souls or not that's right right do", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 840.502, "endSec": 848.752, "text": "Yeah. you want to expand on that he It's so sad. It's so sad. thought it was so sad and he was like i'll never who's what's the other's name again", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 848.752, "endSec": 850.002, "text": "Kazuo Ishiguro.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 850.516, "endSec": 850.766, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 850.766, "endSec": 860.466, "text": "And he was like, I'll never read him again. And I was like, I thought it was okay. I mean, I was expecting it as much as Chris, but maybe it's because I'm a clone. I'm a robot.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 860.466, "endSec": 862.866, "text": "Oh God, I should have no, yeah. resonate less.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 863.0659999999999, "endSec": 865.866, "text": "It's your story on the page. It should resonate more.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 866.366, "endSec": 869.516, "text": "Yeah. That's why I'm like, I think it was fine. It's my day to day.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 869.516, "endSec": 889.68, "text": "Right? Totally, totally. A little boring. But that isn't interesting. That is an interesting conversation I'd say is like whether or not works created by technology or through heavy use of technology maintains that soul of the craft or whatnot. I don't know. What do you think?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 890.78, "endSec": 892.68, "text": "Maybe. Probably depends on the song.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 892.68, "endSec": 893.23, "text": "Yeah, I I think so.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 893.23, "endSec": 901.536, "text": "mean, there are many songs performed using traditional technology that have no soul. Okay.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 902.136, "endSec": 902.186, "text": "But", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 902.186, "endSec": 904.436, "text": "I said fighting words, but true.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 904.436, "endSec": 923.6834615384615, "text": "it's I mean, well, it's it goes back to what you were saying earlier about. performance and lyrics kind of being so deeply connected um like if you ever done like a songwriting workshop or songwriting class or whatever and everybody you know if you pass around the lyric sheet it creates a completely different experience of the song Mm rather than-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 923.6834615384615, "endSec": 941.332, "text": "just experiencing the song because you're reading it and now it turns into like a different medium it's it's it's still cool but it's like that's not really the what the lyrics is there for necessarily to be read as poetry they're there to be be in the context of the song so yeah kind of goes back to that point you were making okay", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 941.332, "endSec": 961.0319999999999, "text": "In particular, there's like this moment in a Beach House song that made a huge impression on me and it was the big album, I don't know, 2008 or whenever it came out, Myth, and it's the song Wishes and the line is once in your life.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 962.2671293333334, "endSec": 969.4171293333334, "text": "but the way she sings it is once in your life and she puts a breath in the middle of", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 969.4171293333334, "endSec": 969.5671293333334, "text": "it Huh.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 969.5671293333334, "endSec": 975.2171293333333, "text": "for no you're like why the hell did you breathe but the way like the way she breathes", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 975.2171293333333, "endSec": 975.5671293333334, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 975.5671293333334, "endSec": 989.0171293333334, "text": "you're like and i'm like that blew my mind like you can like breathe in in the middle of a line in a way that like makes people cry", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 989.6911293333334, "endSec": 995.1911293333334, "text": "Yes, that's cool. I get that. It's breaking like traditional rules of phrasing.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 995.6911293333334, "endSec": 999.3411293333334, "text": "yeah i was like once you know the rules you can break the fuck out of them", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1000.5411293333334, "endSec": 1014.0911293333334, "text": "Yeah, that's a good point. And I wonder if those things are aware of like, I'm curious like for that from the production side, do you think they were like, ah, whatever. And then somebody else is like, no, that's the magic. We have to keep it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1015.4511293333334, "endSec": 1018.6511293333333, "text": "i guess we'll have to get big enough to ask", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1018.6511293333333, "endSec": 1018.7011293333334, "text": "There", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1018.7011293333334, "endSec": 1019.1511293333333, "text": "them one day", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1019.1511293333333, "endSec": 1019.3511293333333, "text": "you go.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1019.3511293333333, "endSec": 1022.8011293333334, "text": "okay Right. Well, we don't have to get that big because we can ask their producer.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1023.3011293333334, "endSec": 1024.6011293333333, "text": "great sure", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1027.5511293333334, "endSec": 1028.2011293333333, "text": "That's special.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1028.6511293333333, "endSec": 1034.9511293333333, "text": "you know you never know those happy accidents really but that's the thing that a human touch would have that", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1034.9511293333333, "endSec": 1035.2511293333334, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1035.2511293333334, "endSec": 1036.1011293333333, "text": "ai can do", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1036.2011293333333, "endSec": 1040.9231293333335, "text": "That's a good point. I agree with that. because ai is by nature doing things", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1040.9231293333335, "endSec": 1041.3731293333333, "text": "It's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1041.3731293333333, "endSec": 1041.4231293333335, "text": "that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1041.4231293333335, "endSec": 1041.5231293333334, "text": "perfect.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1041.5231293333334, "endSec": 1042.8731293333333, "text": "it's trained on yeah it's yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1042.8731293333333, "endSec": 1043.6731293333332, "text": "Mimetic.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1043.6731293333332, "endSec": 1064.8331293333333, "text": "it's mimetic yeah yeah that's a good point um i'm curious like how you write your songs do you um do you approach them from like a traditional way do you have different ways that you do it song to song do you top line where you you know are writing on top of an already finished instrumental How do you prefer?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1066.6331293333333, "endSec": 1071.6831293333335, "text": "It's also two different, very different processes for the two projects.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1071.6831293333335, "endSec": 1075.8331293333333, "text": "Oh, cool. That's neat. Was that intentional or is that just how it kind of evolved?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1076.1831293333335, "endSec": 1080.1331293333333, "text": "It's like the nature of, it's built into the nature of the project.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1080.1331293333333, "endSec": 1080.2831293333334, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1080.2831293333334, "endSec": 1086.3831293333333, "text": "Because human Barbie, I write everything and then take on the responsibility of finishing everything.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1087.8831293333333, "endSec": 1089.1331293333333, "text": "I just sing a little bit.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1089.7551293333333, "endSec": 1089.8551293333335, "text": "I don't", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1089.8551293333335, "endSec": 1090.1551293333334, "text": "A little", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1090.1551293333334, "endSec": 1090.3051293333333, "text": "know.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1090.3051293333333, "endSec": 1092.2551293333333, "text": "bit of tambourine here and there.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1092.6051293333335, "endSec": 1097.1551293333334, "text": "It's no Tom Waits. We were just talking about how important that is. Don't Tom Waits.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1098.9051293333334, "endSec": 1119.1331293333333, "text": "no it's crucial that's the salt in the cayenne pepper i write with your voice in mind though i mean i have the band's voices in my mind but with human barbie i'll write basically all of the music in my head and", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1119.1331293333333, "endSec": 1119.6831293333335, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1119.6831293333335, "endSec": 1130.0331293333334, "text": "I'll know what the chords are and I'll know what the vocals are going to be and kind of what the different instruments will be and kind of the way the vocals are going to sound and then I'll write all the lyrics to", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1130.0331293333334, "endSec": 1130.3831293333333, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1131.9331293333335, "endSec": 1144.0711293333334, "text": "fit what the song would sound like and kind of interact and you know tweak things And then demo and record.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1145.0211293333334, "endSec": 1165.4211293333333, "text": "does does all that come to you at once do you kind of have an epiphany of like like you get the whole perspective of here's where all of these sonics are going to live and and the vibe that you're going for or is that iterative do you like go okay i have kind of like a vocal idea and then as i'm like developing it then i get the rest of the ideas or does it come like does it hit you like an epiphany", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1166.4911293333334, "endSec": 1175.9411293333333, "text": "It takes shape. It takes shape pretty quickly, usually. cool But once the kernel, like the nugget of", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1175.9411293333333, "endSec": 1187.9411293333333, "text": "yes the song is there, how it's going to sound musically comes very quickly. And then the lyrics take however long they take, maybe a day or maybe 18 months.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1188.0911293333334, "endSec": 1195.5411293333334, "text": "uh-huh yeah that's great that's great and then what's yeah yeah please please yeah i was gonna ask the same thing", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1196.1551293333334, "endSec": 1209.7051293333334, "text": "Veronica Hmm. Vaughn, some of it we've co-written, some of it are songs that Swan wrote completely and then we just produced together. How do you write the songs that you write solo?", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1210.5051293333333, "endSec": 1223.8551293333335, "text": "The songs that I write solo, it's usually a melody or a phrase that will start it. And then I have to be by myself and maybe be sad for like a while.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1223.8551293333335, "endSec": 1250.7211293333335, "text": "Okay. Okay. Isolation with the song sadness. I do like I really I don't know and they're not always just sad songs it's just like I um can be very extroverted but to write songs I really do need to be by myself um so I kind of have to turn away and reflect but it's so fun when I write with Chris it's just a completely different um", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1252.3151293333333, "endSec": 1258.5651293333333, "text": "when you're speaking I don't know how we create like sometimes it's like solving a puzzle is what I like to say like", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1258.5651293333333, "endSec": 1275.9651293333334, "text": "Mm-hmm. Cool. Yeah. literally like let's make this puzzle today and then we just fit in pieces I don't know they just come out of air it seems like I think they're spun out of air but sometimes it's maybe a therapy session and I'll be like this is what I want to write about", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1275.9651293333334, "endSec": 1287.8991293333333, "text": "Yeah. It's like 10% writing. 10 drinking tequila and 80 us saying i hate that no it's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1287.8991293333333, "endSec": 1293.2491293333333, "text": "yeah it's fun I love I don't know it's fun writing with you I don't know how to explain I haven't", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1293.2491293333333, "endSec": 1309.2691293333332, "text": "fun writing with you been able to do it with a lot of other people I subscribe to this concept of the third writer. When two writers are in the room, they like create this third writer. So that's why it's so hard to like write a song that would sound like together separately.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1309.8191293333334, "endSec": 1326.9931293333334, "text": "Ah, absolutely. it's a thing that's so true i don't know there's something that like you draw out in each other and like i said when i say it's fixing a puzzle when it's just me i'm maybe more like um trying to understand the feeling it's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1326.9931293333334, "endSec": 1334.9931293333334, "text": "Yeah. him it's like i don't know maybe it brings about like old things that you didn't realize that were in the pot or new things", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1334.9931293333334, "endSec": 1350.2751293333333, "text": "Okay. That's interesting. That makes sense. Well, Mm you're approaching -hmm. it too very differently, like from being, you know, a team versus being highly introspective and alone and like maybe more emotionally vulnerable place with the sadness and stuff. Like, yeah.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1350.2751293333333, "endSec": 1356.3251293333333, "text": "It's so fun. We have a record coming out and I'm curious if people will be able to tell which songs were written solo.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1356.3251293333333, "endSec": 1363.4571293333333, "text": "That'll be a fun guess. That's a good game. Yeah, for sure. Because our minds combine, I don't know, there's some vulnerable stuff in there.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1363.4571293333333, "endSec": 1372.6071293333334, "text": "Of course. Yeah. But it is, it's different. It is different. Writing together, writing separately. I'm curious on the stuff that you write on your own.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1372.6071293333334, "endSec": 1394.2151293333334, "text": "do you like set the stage in any way is there like a certain type of room or certain type of setup or like incense or tea or whatever that like helps you kind of get to that place um just i'm always super curious about like rituals and like if there are or aren't to kind of like put your head in the right place", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1396.1551293333334, "endSec": 1402.4051293333334, "text": "for me there's not although I will say I usually am like crouching on the ground when", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1402.4051293333334, "endSec": 1424.6751293333334, "text": "That's it. That's one for sure. we started but not like in like a fetal position it's just like I don't know it's just how I can sit comfortably I'm selfing as Asian we're very like grouchy people very squatting people when I started Dream Girl I think I was literally cooking breakfast There's a song, a new song.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1424.6751293333334, "endSec": 1435.7751293333333, "text": "It's the first single coming out of the album and the first line it's got a shelf life when you're just a girl and I literally just thought of that as I was thinking.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1437.0251293333333, "endSec": 1445.7751293333333, "text": "Love it totally Boom. They just come. They come. They're spawned out of air. I don't know any other way to describe it.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1446.7251293333334, "endSec": 1452.8611293333333, "text": "You collaborate frequently. How do you find it, because we're just writing with each other,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1452.8611293333333, "endSec": 1473.2611293333334, "text": "Mm how hmm. do you find it working with different musicians kind of serially? It's it's very bizarre. Like my my biggest thing is I just have to approach it with like the right mindset of we're we're going to make something. We're going to release it. Like I have to almost give up a certain sense of no.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1473.2611293333334, "endSec": 1491.1331293333333, "text": "entirely to do it so frequently because it's like and it usually ends up being really cool but i almost have to be like i don't even know what adventure we're about to walk into because it may be one collaboration with that other person on the other side of the world we'll do like one or two zoom calls and then make a make a song", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1491.8671293333332, "endSec": 1509.0171293333333, "text": "you know in that and then remotely um and it's never going to be anything i would have made on my own um usually never what i expected even based on their catalog but it usually ends up being dope just in part because i think i give up uh the sense of like", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1509.6911293333333, "endSec": 1518.7911293333334, "text": "it it needs to be this certain way or needs to be this certain sound then we just kind of shape it as we go but the cross-cultural stuff is also super interesting to me like yeah", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1518.7911293333334, "endSec": 1537.8411293333334, "text": "Oh, yeah. that that is always an interesting curveball and I'm excited to you know do more of it I really want to work with some artists in Africa just because I absolutely love the music that's coming out right now and I just I don't know I'm super super excited to work with more people around the world and", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1538.3951293333334, "endSec": 1557.9451293333332, "text": "learn from them because you i don't know i feel like after every song after every album you change as a person um and that's why i like making so many of them because it's like i don't know like like you guys are doing that content treadmill um if you're on a treadmill all day every day you get pretty freaking strong and it's part of the idea of flexing", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1557.9451293333332, "endSec": 1565.8451293333333, "text": "Yeah, creative muscle it's that's Yeah. tiring it's so cool. fun it's really fun it's tiring though", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1567.5791293333334, "endSec": 1576.0791293333334, "text": "I can definitely sense that. Do you feel like you get a fresh burst of like, okay, finishing an album is.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1576.5791293333334, "endSec": 1583.6831293333335, "text": "Yeah. feels like dying Yes, almost just it does. it's so massive it takes so much out", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1583.6831293333335, "endSec": 1600.2751293333333, "text": "Yes. really actually get it done always takes way like longer than you thought it would does working with like different collaborators serially give you a boost to push through or does it still have that feeling of like Oh my god, I finally made", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1600.2751293333333, "endSec": 1612.8751293333335, "text": "It's it to the finish line. awesome. Yeah, it's both. It's both. I think what ends up like when I end up feeling exhausted is when I like zoom out and kind of like take stock of everything or when I finish an album. I'm about to finish an album right now. So I'm feeling", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1612.8751293333335, "endSec": 1635.4811293333332, "text": "Nice. I'm feeling it right now. Love it. that's my yeah it's it's that that is the like you're right it feels like dying because you put so much into it it's also like kind of a similar feeling when you finish like watching a show that's like five seasons long or like reading a really long book and you get to the end and you're like i don't even know if i want to finish because then it's over like", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1635.4811293333332, "endSec": 1641.5311293333334, "text": "Yeah. i'll never see them again it's like kind of feels like that with albums collaborations feel a little lighter because they're usually singles", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1641.8191293333334, "endSec": 1669.4691293333333, "text": "tools um but there's a pace to it and i think that the thing that keeps me going is like the energy inherent in the idea itself like you were talking about those little nuggets like you water them they grow it's like the potential energy of the thing that you that i stumbled on or you guys stumble on is what ends up like making me do the next one um because in absence of that little bit that we snag out of the air i don't know how we do it again", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1669.6271293333334, "endSec": 1679.3771293333334, "text": "because they're just so creatively exhausting but the ideas i think power themselves to extent yeah yeah yeah", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1679.3771293333334, "endSec": 1689.5591293333332, "text": "yeah huh break legs it's break gonna be great Oh, Nice. on the album. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I'm excited. Actually, yeah,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1689.6091293333334, "endSec": 1711.2591293333335, "text": "I feel like what I'm trying to do right now, so for a long time, I covered my face, did a masked project and all that kind of stuff. And what I'm trying to do right now is I took off my mask for my promo shots and whatever, but now I'm trying to do it more musically. We're like going deeper and being a little bit more recursive and connecting with my life story and all of its ups and downs and also.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1711.2591293333335, "endSec": 1723.4731293333334, "text": "So it's imperfections in the way that I tell it to myself and trying to examine that and put that into music now. So that's my current album cycle. We'll see.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1723.4731293333334, "endSec": 1731.5731293333333, "text": "Cool. Incredible. Thanks. Well, I mean, listen to it first. Before you Making judge.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1731.5731293333333, "endSec": 1755.4691293333333, "text": "music is good. I'm excited to listen to it Thanks. Appreciate that. Yeah. So we've talked about kind of what you're doing now. I would love to talk about your background, kind of how you ended up growing as a musician, what attracted you to music. I'd love to ask kind of both of you in turn, just take that wherever you'd like. Would just love to hear a little bit of your story, how you got into this and skilled.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1757.0691293333334, "endSec": 1774.4971293333333, "text": "Man, we have kind of different paths, but... I feel like we're, it's not karmic, but it's, you're awesome. You're like, yeah, it's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1774.4971293333333, "endSec": 1781.1971293333334, "text": "Oh, thank you. like, we met at the perfect time. At the right time, the time that we were supposed to meet, I definitely agree.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1781.1971293333334, "endSec": 1790.7151293333334, "text": "Yeah. I've been grinding for years, like so long. I don't want to say the number because then you'll know I'm in my 80s. Man,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1790.7151293333334, "endSec": 1800.8151293333335, "text": "Very fresh. and just so many projects, just project after project, learning and then also the music industry over that time is like transformed radically", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1800.8151293333335, "endSec": 1818.8851293333332, "text": "Yes. and then accepting slowly letting go of things that I thought needed to be a certain way and in the past many years really accepting more like I have to learn marketing. I want to learn marketing.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1818.8851293333332, "endSec": 1847.0631293333333, "text": "Yeah, yeah. to do to do what I want to do there are all these micro skills that I had neglected for years and years and that also means letting go of things that are unnecessary so I started I used to gig a lot on bass I'm like a jazz bassist I went to school for bass um and then like playing around in a lot of different kinds of bands and that has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk and and my focus is really", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1848.4431293333332, "endSec": 1857.5431293333334, "text": "isolated and finishing songs and promoting them on spotify to grow in that way as", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1857.5431293333334, "endSec": 1882.1551293333334, "text": "Yeah. in as direct and quick of a way as possible um and that has brought that has brought back opportunities um so for example we just went on we were very very fortunate to be asked to open for a band called palace on their u.s tour we", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1882.1551293333334, "endSec": 1909.9391293333333, "text": "Congratulations. were out it was amazing we were out for a month like playing the biggest shows i've ever played huge audiences passionate fans we made so many new connections and so many new fans and i didn't that didn't happen because of a traditional hustle I wasn't out there booking. I wasn't playing like local shows. We play like twice or three times a year, maybe.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1909.9391293333333, "endSec": 1924.2891293333332, "text": "Yeah. It came because of just focusing on that one kernel of art and then sharing it with the world and then getting really lucky.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1924.8762586666667, "endSec": 1928.0262586666668, "text": "Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I like that, though.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1928.0262586666668, "endSec": 1929.7262586666668, "text": "also it's the culmination of", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1929.7262586666668, "endSec": 1929.7762586666668, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1929.7762586666668, "endSec": 1937.3382586666667, "text": "of years years and years of of trial and error and learning and recording How'd you get here?", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1937.5382586666667, "endSec": 1961.1882586666668, "text": "I forget our stories are so different my Christmas is you know classically trained musician like how does masters in performance and I went like a different route I mean I had I was always in the fine arts um but I hadn't really thought about making music until", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1962.4582586666668, "endSec": 1976.1582586666668, "text": "I started dating this Irish songwriter and he was just mine was a more romanticized point of view he he we were together and he didn't think that we could realistically be together", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1976.1582586666668, "endSec": 1976.2582586666667, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1976.2582586666667, "endSec": 1976.6082586666666, "text": "and", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1976.6082586666666, "endSec": 1976.7582586666667, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1976.7582586666667, "endSec": 1985.2582586666667, "text": "I didn't know anything about music and I'm like oh my god we'll both be songwriters and we can just like travel together and like that's how we make our living and he's like that it's nonsense", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1986.2342586666666, "endSec": 1993.3342586666668, "text": "and I don't know maybe it's because he said it couldn't be done I went out and wanted to do it but", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 1993.3342586666668, "endSec": 1993.5342586666668, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1993.5342586666668, "endSec": 2022.4673012198582, "text": "it always been something that I wanted but I had no relationship to it like nobody in my family does anything in the arts um it really felt so far away until I just genuinely met somebody that like does music and even kind of for fun but it became something that I I really wanted And I just went about it, you know, it was kind of a funny like a movie, I guess.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2022.4673012198582, "endSec": 2029.0362586666668, "text": "I'm like, oh, I'm just going to write songs and I'm going to play an open mic and somebody will discover me. And that's like literally what fucking happened.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2029.0362586666668, "endSec": 2029.4862586666668, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2031.5362586666668, "endSec": 2039.5362586666668, "text": "Yeah, I, you know, got on a really label that I don't think is any longer a label in Dallas.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2039.5362586666668, "endSec": 2067.2642586666666, "text": "but their A&R guy was in LA and they were they were in their own band and they were really hitting their scene and wanted to make connections and they found Chris and they like played music and they're like oh yeah this guy's in LA like he'll want to do your stuff and I was like yeah this guy's fucking awesome um but you can't really go about it like that I don't know like I said we met kind of on the internet we went to a Cherry Glazer show together", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2067.3642586666665, "endSec": 2081.138258666667, "text": "Hmm. Um, What a smash. quarantine happened and we were like, what are you doing? And we're like, nothing. They're like, you want to maybe just like hang out and like write music. And that's how Veronica Vaughn was born.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2082.9382586666666, "endSec": 2088.4882586666668, "text": "it's really different yeah it's really different but i i believe i believe very strongly in like serendipity", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2089.0502586666667, "endSec": 2112.9002586666666, "text": "and you've got to put it out there and then there will be these moments where you you can walk away from them you know there's it's not a guaranteed like you have to be together you have to work together or whatever but when you put it out there stuff like that happens where hey now we have a project or like we i was just talking before the call about how i got sam my record label random internet", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2113.9782586666665, "endSec": 2120.1282586666666, "text": "you know put something out there said you know it would be nice to make this project real and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2120.1282586666666, "endSec": 2120.428258666667, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2120.428258666667, "endSec": 2127.328258666667, "text": "then a few things happen in the universe so then the project becomes more real but it's like that intention that if you", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2128.0902586666666, "endSec": 2149.8402586666666, "text": "kind of knock on the door sometimes it opens and in unexpected ways and not in like a now you're assigned to Taylor Swift's record label or so you know it's like it's not like that but Right. instead it's like you meet the right person and then you you can go a lot farther because you're you have something that somebody that believes in what you're doing and you believe what they're doing and that's enough", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2151.1902586666665, "endSec": 2160.7462586666666, "text": "Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. man you've grown also so much since i first became aware of you so", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2160.7462586666666, "endSec": 2160.946258666667, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2160.946258666667, "endSec": 2184.786258666667, "text": "yeah it's really beautiful to watch it's like when you get into the fast part of the stream like you really get in the flow of it and then it it carries you obviously there's clearly so much work going into it as well but that that work when you're like in the right Part of the flow that work propels you so much further.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2184.8362586666667, "endSec": 2193.4362586666666, "text": "Yes, totally. And I think you bring like a learning mindset to that and then it, you know, the pace picks up and.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2194.234258666667, "endSec": 2200.4342586666667, "text": "like the thing that leveled me up the most was i got a production gig for a japanese band called chai and that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2200.4342586666667, "endSec": 2200.634258666667, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2200.634258666667, "endSec": 2200.8342586666668, "text": "was", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2200.8342586666668, "endSec": 2200.884258666667, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2200.884258666667, "endSec": 2201.234258666667, "text": "totally", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2201.234258666667, "endSec": 2202.2842586666666, "text": "Love them.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2202.2842586666666, "endSec": 2222.1442586666667, "text": "random because i i got a song that had no business being in new music friday on spotify and then it got in there and then they heard it posted on their story i wrote them in japanese in their messages they replied and then i remixed and then i started producing for them but that was my ultimate like okay i gotta get better now like they're", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2222.1442586666667, "endSec": 2222.694258666667, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2222.694258666667, "endSec": 2249.794258666667, "text": "a band that i actually really like their music i don't want to screw that up so i'm gonna have to like really level up at mixing and all this kind of stuff and um those you meeting those moments i think end up yeah helping you get into the faster channels of the stream um and being like like i'm i feel like i have so much more to learn and so much more to do so i'm i feel like that helps too it's like recognizing i'm not a world-class mixing engineer but damn it i want to be", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2250.6822586666667, "endSec": 2274.5322586666666, "text": "mm-hmm So working on it every day. That's so wonderful. yeah i feel like you're in i i have this i have a what you're saying reminds me of a very similar conversation i'm having in my head also all the time with my own mixing but at the end of the day if it's on a playlist and people are hearing it it's like you're a pro you're", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2274.5322586666666, "endSec": 2280.8582586666666, "text": "Yeah, a pro yeah, that right. is a mix that Is mixing meaningful mixing for other people.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2280.8582586666666, "endSec": 2285.6082586666666, "text": "especially though because there's like a million different ways you can go and they're all valid and", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2285.6082586666666, "endSec": 2303.6082586666666, "text": "Mm-hmm. so i think that's one of the ways that mixing engineers end up getting in their own heads myself included of like well i could have made that choice and somebody else would have made this choice and they're you know better paid than i am and so maybe i went the wrong choice but it's like there's not really a wrong choice it's like the breath in between the the phrase you know there's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2304.634258666667, "endSec": 2312.634258666667, "text": "there are infinite choices and sometimes the one less explored is the actual right choice for that that moment you know it's", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2312.634258666667, "endSec": 2322.1842586666667, "text": "do you also yeah feel like we yeah go for it sorry we need like finish a song or like write a song like do you have that feeling where you just know it's right yeah", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2323.134258666667, "endSec": 2330.1842586666667, "text": "uh yeah yeah i think so um i think so it's like and it's it's funny because that moment", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2330.8742586666667, "endSec": 2345.542258666667, "text": "is in the moment like sometimes i'll go back and i'll listen to something later but i'll be like the moment's changed and if i made that now it'd be different but that doesn't mean that it wasn't right then where like the I don't know it's not just musical taste it's like everything um", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2345.542258666667, "endSec": 2366.192258666667, "text": "Right. preference and growth and all those kind of things don't aren't necessarily like I'm better at everything now so if I just remixed all of my old music it would be better it's like no it just would fit now rather than when it fit then it was right I don't know if I'm explaining that very well but like I feel like music is very much um present", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2367.2582586666667, "endSec": 2392.8582586666666, "text": "yeah i i just feel like to expand that further it Please. feels like that in like every aspect of the musical process but also like our lives like especially working with chris i'm like everything just feels right like yes disagree sometimes but there's never anything that ever it's like we're we're grinding to get to the next thing or to finish something or like it's painful like", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2393.946258666667, "endSec": 2396.7962586666667, "text": "you know everything is just so lovely you", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2396.7962586666667, "endSec": 2397.5962586666665, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2397.8462586666665, "endSec": 2398.5462586666667, "text": "Uh...", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2398.5462586666667, "endSec": 2399.2462586666666, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2399.4962586666666, "endSec": 2422.696258666667, "text": "know like oh we met each other the right time and like this song like when we're like we're trying to finish this project and we have to write it in this amount of time like everything just happens kind of naturally there's not a lot of fighting I think it's kind of cool about you know and where you are now like you're like oh my god I just dropped in dude you're fucking she would try is so sick and it just came in at like the right time like it was the time", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2423.1622586666667, "endSec": 2423.7622586666666, "text": "It's so cool.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2423.7622586666666, "endSec": 2446.6802586666668, "text": "yeah it was the time and it and i like that i like you know there's there it's not to say that they'll like never have friction or not to do like hard things but there's like a certain effortlessness that comes with other things that it makes you feel like no that's kind of the path you're supposed to be on i agree with that you know all things i agree with that yeah Um,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2446.7802586666667, "endSec": 2462.5302586666667, "text": "let's see what what let's let's basically like maybe one or two more questions. Let's talk about future. Like what are goals? Where do you want to grow? You know, maybe professionally as a musician, but also like personally, where do you want to be like as a creator as a creative?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2463.1802586666668, "endSec": 2470.0302586666667, "text": "Are there new skills that you want to pick up? Are there new things that you want to explore? I'm just going to laugh that over to you and see if any of that lands.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2471.330258666667, "endSec": 2484.9122586666667, "text": "You know, I... The way the palace tour happened this year Yes. is that I learned so much. Oh my gosh. Okay, so to back up last year,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2484.9122586666667, "endSec": 2492.2122586666665, "text": "Yeah. we were shooting a music video for a song called Everything I Never Wanted.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2492.2122586666665, "endSec": 2519.7242586666666, "text": "Mm-hmm. And we were dressed up as vampires and we're in this little cabin in the middle of the woods staying up all night. And a dear friend texted me. And said, hey, do you want to go on a tour playing bass? It's an indie band. It would be at minimum a week, but as long as a month. It was just that question and it was like in three days the first", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2519.7242586666666, "endSec": 2548.160258666667, "text": "Yeah, and you have three days to learn 90 minutes of music. Oh, I my knew God. I knew like I have to text back I have like probably minutes to text back if I if I want this to happen and obviously it was a yes even though I didn't know what the band was until they sent the music and It was insane. I learned 90 minutes of music and got on a plane and I'm like listening through", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2548.160258666667, "endSec": 2556.160258666667, "text": "Oh my god, and try yes. have it like on the Uber to the first to the like day of soundcheck slash rehearsal.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2556.160258666667, "endSec": 2571.2842586666666, "text": "Cool. But Cramming for the test. it was it was a moment where it felt like. a that's magic you", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2571.2842586666666, "endSec": 2583.3342586666668, "text": "Yeah, can't yeah, make it happen um I was just like subbing but I got the craziest voyeuristic like inside outside view of palace I", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2583.3342586666668, "endSec": 2595.254258666667, "text": "yeah. feel like it was one of if it wasn't their first headline U.S. tour it was one of the first and certainly one where they were really starting to blow up and I got to see like the", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2595.254258666667, "endSec": 2600.1542586666665, "text": "Cool. amazement and wonder of their eyes like Yeah. oh my god this is really happening", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2601.254258666667, "endSec": 2617.6042586666667, "text": "Wow. and it was also obvious that it wasn't happening because of some traditional grind of like posting three times a day on TikTok and like here are the best practices of marketing your music although do those know about them and learn them", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2618.2022586666667, "endSec": 2655.3542586666667, "text": "But it's because they were just taking a leap of faith and writing music that is from the heart and it reached so many people and then there were gatekeepers that helped them and really took care of things that you just can't do alone. And I, it really hit me like. I'm not gonna hustle my way to where I'm trying to go. I just need to put the music out, dive in, whatever happens happens.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2655.3542586666667, "endSec": 2660.404258666667, "text": "If magic strikes, if lightning strikes, awesome. If not, also awesome. I went for it.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2660.404258666667, "endSec": 2668.4542586666666, "text": "Mm-hmm. Yes. And that's, I don't know, that's where I am. Yeah. As far as your question of what's next,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2668.4542586666666, "endSec": 2673.7042586666666, "text": "Yeah. just finish the album Cool. and finish the next album, Great. throw them out.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2674.714258666667, "endSec": 2684.1642586666667, "text": "market them and share them as best as we can and if lightning strikes sweet long", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2684.1642586666667, "endSec": 2693.3642586666665, "text": "Mm hmm. Yeah, be ready for it. Yeah. answer you No, it was good. I'm captivated. I don't even want to answer now.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2693.6142586666665, "endSec": 2700.314258666667, "text": "have to Okay. I feel like future plans take a bath with Yes. my keys. It's too hot for a bath.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2700.986258666667, "endSec": 2710.486258666667, "text": "I did take a bath the other day like I was like I don't give a fuck I know it's hot but I want to sit in some steamy ass water I", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2712.2862586666665, "endSec": 2712.6362586666664, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2712.6362586666664, "endSec": 2718.1862586666666, "text": "don't know I liked it it was weird it was switched to cold though there'll be cold baths have you taken a cold bath", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2719.4502586666667, "endSec": 2725.5502586666667, "text": "no not i've like iced myself like done an ice bath but i haven't done like a pleasurable cold bath yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2725.5502586666667, "endSec": 2728.600258666667, "text": "like a pleasurable like not freezing but", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2728.600258666667, "endSec": 2728.750258666667, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2728.750258666667, "endSec": 2730.9502586666667, "text": "just you know if it's really hot just", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2730.9502586666667, "endSec": 2732.100258666667, "text": "i'll", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2732.100258666667, "endSec": 2733.600258666667, "text": "like some slightly", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2733.600258666667, "endSec": 2734.850258666667, "text": "do it i'll do it yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2734.850258666667, "endSec": 2737.500258666667, "text": "cooler than room temperature is kind of really nice it", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2737.500258666667, "endSec": 2739.1502586666666, "text": "it's pretty nice i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2739.1502586666666, "endSec": 2740.4502586666667, "text": "cools you down yes", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2740.4502586666667, "endSec": 2741.8002586666667, "text": "can and then i can use my bath bombs", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2745.082258666667, "endSec": 2748.232258666667, "text": "I love it. Only if you make that sound when you put it in.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2748.232258666667, "endSec": 2748.6322586666665, "text": "Totally", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2750.1822586666667, "endSec": 2751.3822586666665, "text": "Bam, bam, bam, bam.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2752.982258666667, "endSec": 2754.582258666667, "text": "I am a bad fan though.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2754.6822586666667, "endSec": 2760.2822586666666, "text": "That's our future. We want to release an album where every song ends with bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2760.2822586666666, "endSec": 2760.3822586666665, "text": "I", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2760.3822586666665, "endSec": 2760.4322586666667, "text": "bam.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2760.4322586666667, "endSec": 2760.8822586666665, "text": "love", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2760.8822586666665, "endSec": 2761.332258666667, "text": "He", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2761.332258666667, "endSec": 2761.4322586666667, "text": "it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2761.4322586666667, "endSec": 2763.4322586666667, "text": "doesn't know that that's our future, but I do.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2764.4322586666667, "endSec": 2766.6822586666667, "text": "I'm just barreling towards that future.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2767.832258666667, "endSec": 2768.982258666667, "text": "Wow, now I know.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2770.9722586666667, "endSec": 2776.0722586666666, "text": "So everybody keep on the lookout. You'll know it when you hear it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2776.0722586666666, "endSec": 2777.022258666667, "text": "Definitely.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2777.9722586666667, "endSec": 2780.1222586666668, "text": "That's awesome. I'm really excited to hear the record.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2782.2662586666665, "endSec": 2802.7662586666665, "text": "Please, please let me know. I'll be following. I encourage all the listeners to follow along as well. I'll put your guys' links in the bio, on the post and all that good stuff so people can hear the music. For those following along at home, my music is at scoobertdoobert.pizza. That's where you can find", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2802.7662586666665, "endSec": 2803.3162586666667, "text": "it. My links.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2804.116258666667, "endSec": 2811.5902586666666, "text": "What are you guys' handles? Where can people find more? I'll link it up. Say it just in case people are driving and they don't have a chance.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2812.140258666667, "endSec": 2823.390258666667, "text": "Sure. Find us at the real human Barbie and at VV so hot. And if you find either one of those, you'll", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2823.390258666667, "endSec": 2827.140258666667, "text": "You'll find the other find one the other. of us. Good points, very good points. We're brother, sister, cousins.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2828.3402586666666, "endSec": 2837.3622586666665, "text": "All of the above. Mother, daughter, father, son. That's us. We are our own father.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2838.7622586666666, "endSec": 2846.7122586666665, "text": "time travel arc well thank you both so much for joining is there anything else you want to leave the listeners on any parting wisdom favorite quote", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2850.312258666667, "endSec": 2859.7622586666666, "text": "Just remember that you really rock and you kick major butt. So just keep doing that and that's dope.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2861.178258666667, "endSec": 2866.5782586666664, "text": "I needed to hear that. Thank you. You are so lovely. Thanks for having us. Thank", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2866.5782586666664, "endSec": 2874.428258666667, "text": "This you both so much. is a treat. I really appreciate it. Until next time. We'll have to do another one after you drop the record. We can talk about everything that went into it.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" }, { "startSec": 2875.1282586666666, "endSec": 2880.6282586666666, "text": "Sick. See you guys. Bye. Thanks so much. Peace. Be well.", "speaker": "Chris Hackman and Xuan Nguyen" } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "scubertdubert-url", "count": 1, "note": "Outro URL ASR typo" } ] }