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This is the continuation of my rock and roll history segments lots of pods and lots of posts on mySubstack love music more dot substack dot com" }, { "startSec": 118.3, "endSec": 142.22, "text": "Where you get to discover the through lines and all the things that lead to the music that we have today the music that we loveWhat makes classic rock classic and what might makes punk rock punk?Let's dig into itSo before we get to the punk rock heroesI think we need to start by talking about the lingering tensions within rock and roll itself from the very beginning" }, { "startSec": 142.22, "endSec": 168.86, "text": "And I think one of the best examples is like what I was talking about in the early early podsLouie LouieBird is the word you know, there's there's this edge ofguitar driven andgarageRock sounds that's always fighting against the smoother more refined like beach boys" }, { "startSec": 170.7, "endSec": 179.34, "text": "Or even the different types of rawness that you get from like a Led Zeppelin a blues rock versus" }, { "startSec": 180.78, "endSec": 190.38, "text": "The rock of like the streets so to speak like there's there's a the rock of the rock starsAnd then there's the rock of the anti rock stars" }, { "startSec": 191.1, "endSec": 197.1, "text": "And I think that that's always attention something that's being pushed back and forth and I think it's actually happening again today" }, { "startSec": 197.98, "endSec": 222.22, "text": "Of where is the rock pendulum swinging and it usually swings hard and it usually swings fast andThere's usually a few differentIndicators before it swings and the band that I really wanted zero in on is the velvet undergroundSo velvet underground kind of opens up this DIYnew take" }, { "startSec": 222.46, "endSec": 249.6303821656051, "text": "raw real, you know, songs about heroin songs about addiction where it's it's differentThen the songs about Lord of the Rings or even the stuff that we were covering the metal pod where it's likeIt's personal. It's the songs of the artist and the artists likethatIs having toGo through something brutal." }, { "startSec": 249.6303821656051, "endSec": 260.71, "text": "It's honest And it's taboo but it's taboo in a different way, which I think is so interesting about rockRock is always pushing towards those taboos scandal is rock's fuel" }, { "startSec": 261.43, "endSec": 266.71, "text": "inner it's it's energy. It's that rebellion. That's always been part of this all the way from you know" }, { "startSec": 267.51, "endSec": 281.14278688524587, "text": "Like early days with the Beatles or before that the bad boy image of Elvis and not showing his hipsYou know, there's there's always been that inside of rocks allure." }, { "startSec": 281.14278688524587, "endSec": 308.63, "text": "It's dangerWe covered this on the metal podcast too, but the same thing goes on with punk and I think thatDIY and the push against the rock star the stadium showI think it helps define thispunk energy It's funny though because punk ends up getting big enough to be playing to stadium showsYou know like the big announcement at Coachella this year was green dayAnd the misfits and it's like okay, you know" }, { "startSec": 309.35, "endSec": 317.43, "text": "Punk punk really took over the world and continues to take over the world with things like pop punk and emo and hardcore and post-hard core" }, { "startSec": 318.31, "endSec": 347.93, "text": "That all comes from this era and I would like to think that the velvet underground with you know, Lou ReedJohn Cale andThe tutelage of Andy WarholThere's this there's a sceneThe begins and it starts to push these boundaries in a different angleYou know, it's like what Brian Eno saidOnly a few thousand people bought velvet underground's first albumBut everyone who did started a band" }, { "startSec": 349.05, "endSec": 371.93, "text": "And yes, that's the same guy that I talked about in my oblique strategiesPodcast episode with his deck of cards his deck of many things that helps to translate intoartistic and creative freedomumThis guy knows what he's talking about and so do the velvet undergroundWhere does that go though" }, { "startSec": 372.33, "endSec": 393.22156626506023, "text": "This starts to evolve this proto-punk and you get these other bands like the StoogesWho are led by Iggy Pop somebody that is still very famous todayStill has never seen been seen wearing a shirtuhAnd now there's this like aggression. There's a simplicity." }, { "startSec": 393.22156626506023, "endSec": 418.84, "text": "There's thisAgain honest DDIY in your face thing that is justIt has the same Theatrix in a way where it's like very engaging and rebellious and pushing against the crowdBut it's not that theatrix necessarily of likepyrotechnics or double-necked guitars orfantasy lyricsAnd then let's talk about the venue" }, { "startSec": 419.08, "endSec": 424.84, "text": "Because every musical scene needs a venue today. Maybe that's different. Maybe that's like the internet" }, { "startSec": 425.64, "endSec": 452.76059553349876, "text": "I don't know if that's 100% real though. I do think that if you're going to build a scene like something thatDozens of bands that are going to become world famousoriginate from i do think you need a venue or a series of venues that are like the proving ground the meeting whole the watering holeyeah of amusical way of thinking andThat was CBGB." }, { "startSec": 452.76059553349876, "endSec": 474.2, "text": "So CBGBSo it's CBGB and OMFUG everybody just calls it CBGB It stands for country bluegrass blues and other music for uplifting gormandizersWhat is a gourmandizer is someone that eats greedily or too muchSo like a pig somebody that eats someone out of house and home" }, { "startSec": 475.4, "endSec": 494.76, "text": "So this this is a funny venue because it's so it's set up by this guy named hilly Hilly Kristal in1973 and as the name suggests it is going for country bluegrass bluesIt's not really like a rock clubBut this is New York City in the 70s. It's not the nicest place in the world" }, { "startSec": 495.56, "endSec": 502.12, "text": "There's like an economic downturn happening in the city. There's this flight to the suburbs. It is leaving" }, { "startSec": 503.08, "endSec": 510.92, "text": "The city close to bankruptcy the services are running thin and the rents are super low" }, { "startSec": 511.72, "endSec": 520.52, "text": "So this is one of the things that is very fascinating about the modern day and the ability to start a music scene inside of a city the rents are too damn high" }, { "startSec": 522.36, "endSec": 531.08, "text": "That's that's like a really big impediment towards creating artistic growth and something that bucks the system and" }, { "startSec": 532.28, "endSec": 540.2791857506361, "text": "Rebirths a new system. That's part of the reason why I like Tokyo's rock scene because the rents aren't very highI swear to god." }, { "startSec": 540.2791857506361, "endSec": 564.68, "text": "There's a big part of what makes this punk thing even possibleSo CBGB it's not in the nicest part of townIt's not in the nicest time of New York City and in part because of that it allows art to flourishAnd because hilly is cool with his club getting graffitied up Getting run down and becoming the home for a new scene a new energy because he wants to get rich, right?You know like that's what he's trying to do" }, { "startSec": 564.76, "endSec": 571.72, "text": "That's why he started this and he's really there's he's realizing there's a market opportunity here and he doesn't change the name" }, { "startSec": 573, "endSec": 595.56, "text": "But instead it just has the letters up top so people just go. Yeah, let's go CBGB andOne other thing that he did was heAsked the bands to only play original musicSo the reason for this was just cost savings the cover bands were like a big dealAnd that was like a big way that you know people got people into their bars same thing today people go to their" }, { "startSec": 596.36, "endSec": 619.72, "text": "Town park or whatever during summer and watch the cover bands play and have a great timeBut cover bands they're playing recorded works famous worksThat are subject to copyright lawAnd because of that ASCAP BMI SESAC like these differentOrganizations that are called performing rights organizations want a little cut because they want to pay you know" }, { "startSec": 619.72, "endSec": 630.44, "text": "Led Zeppelin or whatever for writing the song stairway to heaven they want a little bit of green becausetheyMade that thing and you're not allowed to play it without paying them" }, { "startSec": 631.72, "endSec": 650.76, "text": "So hilly realized hey, why don't I just have these random musicians that live in my neighborhood play their original musicAnd then I don't have to pay anybody anythingThat's not actually the way the law works, thoughEverybody just didn't realize thatHe's actually still was supposed to sign up for these performing rights organizations and pay them" }, { "startSec": 651.88, "endSec": 672.2873619631902, "text": "And then pay those local musicians but because those local musicians didn't have representation or anything like thatThey're not getting that money, but I digress you know, this is just the way it has always beenBut for the musicians musicians out there know your rightsGet paidSo the scene is set. There's a venue." }, { "startSec": 672.2873619631902, "endSec": 686.52, "text": "There is a Lot of young people that are looking for entertainment that have a little bit of money because their rents are not too highAnd there are local bands that are devoting themselvesTo writing original music so they can play this venue and" }, { "startSec": 687.32, "endSec": 710.2, "text": "They attract all of their other friends they attract all of these rebels these scenesters these revolutionaries akapunksSo let's talk about the first punk bandsI had a great conversation with Andy Shernoff of the dictators, which is a previous episodeI recommend you go check that outHonestly, like maybe you can just pause this episode go listen to that one and then come back to this one becauseAndy" }, { "startSec": 710.2, "endSec": 731.48, "text": "Lays it out better than I ever could because he was thereHe was one of the first if not the first punk band playing at CBGB'sAnd he inspired Joey Ramone and the RamonesYou know they came to see him and go went oh yeah, I want to make music like thatHe's he recounts hearing Blondie for the first time and saying how much they sucked which is just so cool" }, { "startSec": 731.8, "endSec": 739.9511111111111, "text": "And then obviously Blondie is becoming amazing and again saw her it's not her it's not the whole band at CoachellaCouple years ago." }, { "startSec": 739.9511111111111, "endSec": 770.6, "text": "So it's just funnyYou know these things start in little CBGB, but then they become global sensationsThat's how it goes when the music is honest and real and has time and space to flourishBut yeah, Andy he lays it out where he's like hey, this is a time of drug sex and rock and roll He's like there were no STDsYou know in his in his vision of that pastit was a place of chaos and freedom andlowcost" }, { "startSec": 770.6, "endSec": 792.84, "text": "And so check out the dictators check out the Ramones and have that in your head of like this is the kind of music that's being playedAlso other acts like Patti Smith and Blondie they areTaking to the stage and they're not the acts that they end up becoming you know like they're like Blondie in particularBecomes this kind of like disco tinge that's that's the way that the music kind of goes out in the world" }, { "startSec": 792.92, "endSec": 805.2502506963788, "text": "That is not where it starts it starts punk rock like hard heavy honest rawSometimes not even the most musically developed like unintentionally. It's trying to be more honest." }, { "startSec": 805.2502506963788, "endSec": 832.76, "text": "There's a quoteBy another CBGBalum and somebody that I'll talk about quite a bit in a little bitDavid Byrne and he talks about howThere's the better the singer the less honest they seem Where I'm paraphrasing, but basically the idea of if you sing like crapBut you're singing really passionate lyrics like things that are super honest to who you areThat is going to come across almost more than if you're this really" }, { "startSec": 833.4, "endSec": 850.6, "text": "Incredible Mariah Carey type singer whereIt's just going to sound so good that if it's like this painful whatever it might be harder to sellI don't know if I 100% believe that but there is a little bit of honesty to that especially within the punk worldAnd this extends to like emo and" }, { "startSec": 851.48, "endSec": 875.08, "text": "Post-hard core and all like all of this kind of music that comes out of punk there's this element ofYou're more honest if you are lessTechnically sound you are like creating the the space betweenHaving some facility on the instrument and going out there on stage and narrowing that gap so thatYou're not in your own way your head's not in your own way" }, { "startSec": 875.08, "endSec": 892.92, "text": "You're not taking a new league guitar solo to try and show off to other musiciansInstead you're getting out there and you're just bearing your heart and trying to fight with the audience and pull something out of themAnd I feel like all those thingsWrap around and help create and define this very loose genre because it's easy to you know" }, { "startSec": 893.16, "endSec": 911.9797183098591, "text": "Try and make punk into something that it isn't really and I'll talk about some of the other bands that push it becauseLike even like I'm saying blondieShe is she is the band. It's so easy to say she because like the blondieLike the the female vocals who's blood." }, { "startSec": 911.9797183098591, "endSec": 923.32, "text": "It's the bandBut they They are a good example of how it changes. Ramones are a good example of how punk can like evolve and how songwriting can evolve within that and then others like the clash" }, { "startSec": 924.04, "endSec": 951.4, "text": "Huge evolution. So what is punk a lot of people say it's a mindset and of that mindsetI want to talk about DIY do it yourself and the alternative media that is zinesSo short for a magazine or a fan zine a zine self-published small circulation booklet magazineA lot of these are printed at home on flyer paper stapled up andlike" }, { "startSec": 951.4, "endSec": 966.36, "text": "They reflect that same ethos that we're seeing at CBGB and it comes out of like communist manifestosAnd then the Beatniks with their self-published poetry. It's all of that kind of energybut then it starts to swirl and" }, { "startSec": 967.32, "endSec": 974.36, "text": "Push into like a more commercially rejecting and anarchy facing media something that is" }, { "startSec": 975.16, "endSec": 1003.56, "text": "Intentionally trying to supplant the current order but not in such a lofty way as like communismnecessarily in more of the like just burn it down kind of energy ofRebel without a cause a little bit more kind of energy andthatattaches to the music soyou are looking for these bands and these moments like CBGB's toConnect your identity to" }, { "startSec": 1004.36, "endSec": 1025.24, "text": "And you are sharing the secret of that band and of this zine with people that were cool that with people thatShould be in the know that should be in that scene and trying to like gate keep out the normal people the quote-unquoteYou know that you don't want in that doorAnd you're trying to create music and venues like the graffiti and the stickers and all that kind of stuff that are" }, { "startSec": 1025.96, "endSec": 1035.59, "text": "Intentionally abrasive and unappealing to the people that you don't want thereAnd that extends to like record stores" }, { "startSec": 1036.39, "endSec": 1046.55, "text": "And that's part of the reason why you get this like us versus them thing within the genreI talked to Andy from the dictators about that about like" }, { "startSec": 1047.51, "endSec": 1066.55, "text": "Punx versus other people and this episode that I'm going to have next week with Jay Jay French fromTwisted sisterWho has this like gnarly you know kill the disco people kind of energy to their showsIt extends thatWe are this they are that" }, { "startSec": 1068.07, "endSec": 1075.75, "text": "Sense of what the music even means and again, I feel like this is that same undercurrent of rock the entire time of like" }, { "startSec": 1077.11, "endSec": 1097.43, "text": "What is rock who are the posers in that fight between commercialism and packaging andYou know the prog rockIt's like another kind of angle of likevirtuosity and technical skill in jazz and then the gritty the raw the rebellious the dangerous" }, { "startSec": 1097.99, "endSec": 1124.23, "text": "That is now manifesting and like I was talking about with black Sabbath in metal it's manifesting in punk and it is pushing against whatHard rock blues rock and then eventually like disco and stuffstarts toKind of go down that streamAnd soNew York City right that's what we're looking at we got these zines but LondonLondon is really where punk goes global" }, { "startSec": 1125.43, "endSec": 1144.2690049751245, "text": "So there's a there's a really important guy to talk about in the history of this and that's Malcolm McLaren Malcolm isManaging a band called the New York dolls New York dolls are important because they are connected to the glam rock sceneSo I think David Bowie and then Twisted Sister." }, { "startSec": 1144.2690049751245, "endSec": 1154.1638087341073, "text": "They're in that worldBut by being in that kind of proto punk glam rock worldMalcolm sees CBGB and he goes oh my god This is the next big thing." }, { "startSec": 1154.1638087341073, "endSec": 1185.43, "text": "I need to go back to London his place his hometownAnd trying I think that's where he's fromI don't care and try to say I'm not a real historian and then he's gonna try and kickstart the British punk sceneAnd to do that he realizes that the aesthetic is Just as important as the music and this is a really interesting concept and one thatI don't know I'mThinking about a lot about like how do you get there and again my" }, { "startSec": 1185.99, "endSec": 1203.67, "text": "My friends in Tokyo kind of have this a little bitThey're like certain thrift shops they go to certain hairstylists. It's likeThere's a aesthetic of scene that I'm seeing manifest within these certain venuesThese certain rave warehouses these things that are connecting in very much the same way that" }, { "startSec": 1204.63, "endSec": 1243.91, "text": "The Seattle scene with grunge which follows this New York and now London scene of punkSo Malcolm starts a clothing store with Vivienne WestwoodI don't know Vivienne and they name it sex boutique all capsSEX and this place is likeEven to a modern I I think that this place would be like whoaIt has bondageLike like clothing it has a bunch ofSafety pin clothing like think of like what punks still wear" }, { "startSec": 1244.39, "endSec": 1272.87, "text": "That was what they were going for of like defining that scene defining what people wear on stageThe leather the provocative slogans the connection with like BDSM and it ends up becoming this hub the shopforThe punk community in London and so Malcolm he starts sharing these punk recordings and zines with local musiciansBecause he's trying to start a band he's trying to start a band as a manager" }, { "startSec": 1273.27, "endSec": 1291.157311827957, "text": "So like in a lot of ways, this is kind of like how boy bands start, but this is again the anti-boy bandThat's that's what punk is trying to be is just the anti andThey're the the the dark side of the light side kind of identity of like what they're shooting for and you knowThey do it. It's cool." }, { "startSec": 1291.157311827957, "endSec": 1314.47, "text": "The bandstarts with Glenn on bass who's a former worker at the sex boutique Steve on guitar Paul on drums and then Johnny aka Johnny rotten on vocalsThese guys were scouted Malcolm actually scouted Johnny rotten and was like hey come in audition for this bandAnd he's saying I'm Eighteen by Alice Cooper" }, { "startSec": 1314.55, "endSec": 1344.55, "text": "But apparently did it in this like weird like provocative quote-unquote anti frontman is how they described itType of way and that's how he got the gig laterSid vicious who had a very tragic lifeTook over for Glenn on bass and that was historySo how do they get attention?It isn't initially just from playing shows which they do it is throughLike tabloid events" }, { "startSec": 1345.19, "endSec": 1362.4746489104116, "text": "Again, they're going for the anti and by doing the anti now you have something you can push off onIf you think about okay, what are the Beatles and how can we be the inverse of the Beatles or what are the beach boys?And how can we be the inverse of the beach boys?" }, { "startSec": 1362.4746489104116, "endSec": 1387.11, "text": "SoMalcolm gets the band onThe Grundy show which I think is likeThey're like today's show kind of thingAnd he which is this crazy name — Britain, whatever — They're filling in for Queen because Freddie Mercury gets a toothacheBecause he gets a toothache the band goes on to interview on this very big showpistolsJump on this show and then they are interviewing the sex pistols on BBC" }, { "startSec": 1387.59, "endSec": 1411.7091437308868, "text": "And they start to fight with the host verbally and they start to dropF-bombs and swearingThis is like the first time that swearing has been on national live television and of courseThe tabloids go crazyBoom the sex pistols are a household name the punk ethos and attitude front and centerSo what do you do next?" }, { "startSec": 1411.7091437308868, "endSec": 1436.4812974006118, "text": "You do it again The Queen is celebrating her silver silver Jubilee. How do how do British people speak?The 25th year of ruleSo the Queen I should just do the rest like thatThe Queen is is having her celebration of25 years of ruling over the peasants. I'm sorry the the British. I'm American." }, { "startSec": 1436.4812974006118, "endSec": 1461.03, "text": "I don't like the monarchyAnd Then Malcolm as a good good person that has spent some time in the United States has decidedYou know what screw the monarchy we're gonna ruin the celebrationSo he rents a barge so like a large boatAnd then like not really even a boat like a floating platformAnd they start rolling it down the river Thames and" }, { "startSec": 1461.99, "endSec": 1469.91, "text": "Right by the celebration so the the river the Thames is a river that goes right throughBasically central London is connected by the London bridge and" }, { "startSec": 1470.63, "endSec": 1490.79, "text": "Right down there the band sets up on the barge and starts playing their new songGod Save the Queen which is an anti-monarchist anthem andOf course the police stormed the boat clashing with the crewResting the band and sending the single to number two" }, { "startSec": 1491.83, "endSec": 1500.79, "text": "There's a there's a theory that it was not allowed to be number one by the the monarchyBut it worked the sex pistols were huge" }, { "startSec": 1502.63, "endSec": 1530.15, "text": "And after the band broke up Malcolm said the pit the pistols weren't meant to last they were meant to explodeTheAnti-bandSo coming out of this punk scene and this chaos you also have the clash who have this lasting legacy in part because they takePunk and again, this is always what happens in rock like literally always always always you have this burst of energy" }, { "startSec": 1530.39, "endSec": 1536.39, "text": "This chaos this rawness this danger that burns itself out like a lot of times the band dies" }, { "startSec": 1537.27, "endSec": 1562.95, "text": "Gets into a terrible scandal like something just crazy bad happens and it's very tragicSo that's the core of usually each of these subgenres and then from that subgenre another band comes like soon afterMaybe like two or three years after the initial burst and that band takes the music and then puts some other stuff in itKind of refines it and that's that's the clash the clash they take the grit" }, { "startSec": 1563.03, "endSec": 1590.79, "text": "They take the urgency they take the substance and the like fighting with the audience kind of rebellious thingBut then they add a little bit of reggae a little bit of ska a little bit of rockabillyYou know they they take punk and reveal its potential for subgenre and thisThey they start to attach these things and that giveslike additionalMusicality and listenability and then expands that audience" }, { "startSec": 1590.79, "endSec": 1606.47, "text": "You know if you're only doing one thing the audience is much more limited than if you start to expand your wings a little bitAnd that's what you see with bands like the police that go further in that kind ofreggae ska kind of leaning but they are like a punk band at their core" }, { "startSec": 1607.43, "endSec": 1626.71, "text": "That or like you know green day who's like a punk band at their core, but they go more and more popAnd they they take on the anthemic stuff in that much the same way that Blondie didClash do the same thingSo like should I stay or should I go you know absolutely massive stadium hitBut at its core it is a punk song" }, { "startSec": 1628.31, "endSec": 1651.91, "text": "It's taking that brash beginning and sending off some of the edges and adding a little bit more of like universal themesAnd speaking of that let's go back to CBGB so punk is taken over the worldAnd a lot of the torch was passed from New York City back over to LondonIt gets passed back and forthBut and there are a lot of really great bands that come out and I'm only focusing on really really big ones big ones" }, { "startSec": 1652.23, "endSec": 1670.55, "text": "But let's go to post punk nowSo post punk is kind of like that next arc where the clash are taking you one direction post punk starts to take it and yet anotherSo let's talk about David Byrne and the talking headsSo talking heads is another band that comes out of CBGB and they give this like" }, { "startSec": 1671.19, "endSec": 1686.31, "text": "Kind of like think about what I was talking about with velvet underground kind of that data is that Andy Warhol that art school thingAnd you add in the urgency and rawness and like a mediacy of punk" }, { "startSec": 1687.59, "endSec": 1707.51, "text": "And sprinkle little neuroticism with who David Byrne is and kind of his weird singing style and just how he is as a personWhich I love I'm very muchSomebody an influencyA disciple I guess I don't know if I go that farBut somebody that very much likes David Byrne" }, { "startSec": 1708.55, "endSec": 1719.91, "text": "Talking heads is that next step into post punk and the next big step into alternative rock because theyThey add like a different sense of" }, { "startSec": 1720.87, "endSec": 1727.19, "text": "Funk I guess and like rhythm like Afro beat thing that they do in their music that" }, { "startSec": 1728.31, "endSec": 1735.19, "text": "Like it's so much of it is that recurring bassline. So instead of like a moving punk like super fast" }, { "startSec": 1737.75, "endSec": 1742.23, "text": "Like they they'll they'll instead put you more into like a groove like psycho killer" }, { "startSec": 1743.35, "endSec": 1752.63, "text": "It's it's got that energy that I'm trying to bring a little bit to my voice right now that um that isIs easier to route back to the blues I guess" }, { "startSec": 1754.31, "endSec": 1772.15, "text": "At the same time you have Blondie who is taken off and adding in that disco and then you also have back in ManchesterJoy Division. So speaking of alternative rock. Joy Division help birth that sound into existenceAnd I highly recommend you listen to all of this because it's like" }, { "startSec": 1773.11, "endSec": 1793.43, "text": "Again, it's what's the what's the saying talking about music is like dancing about architectureThat is very much how I feel right nowBut I like to give the historical context because then maybe when you revisit some of thoseSongs you can think about it and like how each one flows to the next it's so fascinating to think about the chain" }, { "startSec": 1794.31, "endSec": 1816.5233333333333, "text": "The chain of fools um and then you have the cure like the cure are another example of like nowWe're pushing in the late 70s into the early 80s. It's raw. It's minimalistBut then it starts to get dark and gothic for then it also ends up having some pop bops likeBops pop bops like friday." }, { "startSec": 1816.5233333333333, "endSec": 1840.55, "text": "I'm in lovethere's a justmassive turn ofsubgenre and push and thattendency of raw explosion that leads itself right back to stadium rock and then it goes then the stadium rock it's too big and glitzy andoverindulgent as we're about to see with hair metal in the next episodethat then you get boom grunge" }, { "startSec": 1841.27, "endSec": 1864.5022994652406, "text": "So that is yet another chapter in the excessive pop and then the grunge punk garage rock revivalthat rock always keeps going in between and that's what keeps it freshThat's what keeps it churning and that is myPlace that I want to leave you with is think about where rock is right nowWhat it has become?I like it." }, { "startSec": 1864.5022994652406, "endSec": 1897.51, "text": "I doBut I also think it's ready for rebirth like the phoenix It it is pushed itself into an area of corporate commodification that is still catchy and funLike I did a podcast on Coldplay andTheir their newest music and how it is like to the tea made for a nicecommercial about shoesJust pleasantGood sounds niceAnd how strange it is that that's rock" }, { "startSec": 1898.31, "endSec": 1932.81, "text": "Same thing with Imagine Dragons starts much more raw and gritty and big and expansiveBut then you know it takes on a little bit more of the hip hop a little bit more of the pop and then yada yada yadaAnd now it's so it's on likeGrocery store radioWhat's next?Does rock die or does it go through another cycle just like this one?If you're a musicianYou get to decideThanks for listening if you enjoyed it" }, { "startSec": 1932.81, "endSec": 1946.81, "text": "I invite you to check out my sub stack at lovemusicmore.substack.comTo read this article and all of the others catch up on your rock history and make your imprint upon itIf you're a rock musician and if you're not" }, { "startSec": 1948.09, "endSec": 1971.53, "text": "You are really you just don't know it. You're just playing a sub genre. You don't realize I'm just kiddingUm, look it's sort ofUh, and if you want to hear my music, which is like decidedly not not really like rockBut some of it kind of is and I've definitely come out of this CBGBTree of lifeEven though it might not be readily apparentBut you can check that out at scoobertdoobert.pizza" }, { "startSec": 1971.61, "endSec": 1990.97, "text": "I would also like to invite you to five star rate this sucker and share it with your friends so that this podcast can growI love to get the word out and that help supportNot just me, but all the people that are helping work on this podcast all the collaboratorsIt is growing a community and we really appreciate you being a part of itThank you so much for listening. I'll see you next week" } ], "correctionsApplied": [ { "id": "scoobert-url", "count": 1, "note": "Outro URL ASR typo" } ] }