{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "bryson-barnes", "title": "Music-Podcast Overlaps and The Fun of Surprise with Bryson Barnes (Head of Audio Production at NBC News)", "kind": "interview", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/Music-Podcast-Overlaps-and-The-Fun-of-Surprise-with-Bryson-Barnes-Head-of-Audio-Production-at-NBC-News-e2olsto", "contentStartSec": 144.02, "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "openai", "model": "gpt-4o-transcribe-diarize", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T19:05:14.958Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 144.02, "endSec": 157.17000000000002, "text": "Everybody, welcome back to Love Music More. I am Scoobert Doobert and I am joined with Bryson Barnes, who has the best job in podcasting. What's up, Bryson? Thank you for joining the pod.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 157.37, "endSec": 158.97, "text": "What up school good to be here", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 159.12, "endSec": 170.92000000000002, "text": "Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about your role as head of audio production for NBC News. You're working with all of these incredible, incredible like household names and also elevating them.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 171.284, "endSec": 198.334, "text": "and pushing them into different kind of maybe some areas that it's like hey i i want to have an idea for a podcast or i want to do a special that is is made for audio and i'm so excited to think about how you um take these household names and then help them into this medium and then also just kind of what you've seen in podcasting over your career as well as your music career and i think that that's so cool like you're a musician you're recording music and then you're also recording podcasts", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 198.676, "endSec": 207.492, "text": "I think there's a lot more overlap than people realize. There's definitely a lot of ground to cover there. Yeah, I started as a musician, as a jazz trumpet player,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 207.492, "endSec": 230.792, "text": "Cool. realized after a while that, you know, for me, that wasn't really a viable path. And so I sort of transitioned into audio production and found myself making podcasts for a bunch of different shops. And right now, yeah, that's right. I'm at NBC News and we do all kinds of stuff, you know, true crime and lifestyle and deeply investigative limited series and we cover politics and, you know.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 230.792, "endSec": 258.65, "text": "the whole gamut and it's it is really gratifying to be able to work on such like a wide range of of projects and like you said the music really informs the way that I think about making podcasts just foundationally you know how sound interacts with other sound and space sort of in a linear timeline there's so much you can do it's such a and it's such a distinct format you know we can talk about why podcasts are so effective and I think at heart it's just", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 259.796, "endSec": 268.296, "text": "Um, we've created a forum where people can just listen to other people talk and tell stories and it's very fundamental to who we are as sort of human beings.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 269.146, "endSec": 278.19599999999997, "text": "But on the other hand, you can get so deep and multifaceted with the sound world that you create. And for me, music plays a big role in that.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 279.028, "endSec": 288.478, "text": "I love that. And it's so cool to hear how podcasting has evolved too over time. Like I remember the early days of where it was like on my iPod or whatever.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 288.528, "endSec": 304.428, "text": "Right. And it was very much just kind of like lower fidelity, lower production. And now the soundscapes, the intro and outro music is incredible. Like there's all of these different things that I think that has elevated the art form. And then", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 305.908, "endSec": 319.50800000000004, "text": "Kind of interacted with it to become what it is today this juggernaut this primary Kind of tool for people to discover news. I feel like that's it podcasting listening to podcast has been one of the biggest ways that I stay in touch with the world and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 319.50800000000004, "endSec": 335.06, "text": "Yeah, I like definitely. it a lot because it's more unfiltered It's I hear the person that wrote the article or read the article But then they'll be asked questions They'll speak in a natural tone and I'll I don't know I feel like I'll really be able to get the nuance from the expert opinion beyond just a written word.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 335.40999999999997, "endSec": 356.60999999999996, "text": "Well, I think it feels more human if somebody's just talking to you, especially someone's talking to you in your ear and sort of high fidelity, just the psychoacoustic effect of how your brain is processing that information, I think is a lot deeper and, you know, we'll have to fact check the studies that back this up, but then, you know, more passively ingested content and that's reflected in.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 356.60999999999996, "endSec": 372.15000000000003, "text": "um how quickly podcasts are growing and how much money advertisers are spending trying to reach audiences in podcasting obviously the conventional wisdom that podcasting can be really segmented and really targeted is another big strength of podcasts so yeah i think i", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 372.15000000000003, "endSec": 390.004, "text": "Those are really good think points. all that's correct Yeah. And I totally agree with the segmentation because we're naturally self-selecting, you know, and I listen to these podcasts that are kind of like nerdy, like China Watch kind of podcasts. I love international relations. social relations and in asia which is like not really something i talk about much on this podcast but", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 390.004, "endSec": 399.254, "text": "Mm it's hmm. fun it's fun to hear the different types of advertisers like when i listen to my lakers podcast they talk to me when i listen to my beer making podcast they talk to me this way it's kind of fun yes", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 399.254, "endSec": 415.814, "text": "Right, right. You can get kind of the utility out of it that you want, or you can really unwind and listen to a great story. But as you know, we do in my work and I have in my career, leverage that power of storytelling in long form. To tell the stories that need to be told, you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 415.814, "endSec": 426.44, "text": "Yes. know, in a way that they wouldn't resonate otherwise totally Yes. Totally. In a way that, yeah, might be. deep in the newspaper or a link after a link after a link instead", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 426.44, "endSec": 433.19, "text": "Right. you can really zoom Yeah. in yeah i'm Yeah. Bringing it to life, really letting the voices speak for themselves. I think the best way to do that.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 433.69, "endSec": 442.34, "text": "curious about your uh your take on that psycho acoustic effect yeah it can be very personal i listen to a lot of podcasts when i'm doing my long runs just", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 442.34, "endSec": 455.844, "text": "Yeah. so it feels like somebody's running along next to me telling me an incredible story um how do you in your personal life and also in your professional life kind of think of that of that psychoacoustic, maybe even parasocial kind of aspect of podcasting.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 458.494, "endSec": 481.916, "text": "When we were chatting before we got going, it made me think about the tools that go into the music that we love or the sounds that we love or the podcast that we love. And I think there's so much, it's like a black box for a lot of people. They listen to something, it has an effect on them. And I think... There's so much going on there that's affecting your perception.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 481.916, "endSec": 502.666, "text": "You know, it's how deep are you, how deeply are you listening versus just how are you sort of letting the effect wash over you. And I'm really fascinated by, well, what is it about this particular sound entering at this particular time? Why am I fading it in before we hear the sound on tape? You know, sort of like this pre...", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 502.666, "endSec": 533.666, "text": "perceptual sort of palate cleanser for something that's to come but you're not even hearing that it's happening or it might be something as simple as your dad played the guitar and it's having this really deep emotional reaction so there's just such a and then and then what do you know about the subject matter going in i mean there's just so many elements to consider whether it's like just a simple song whether it's a two-way chat podcast or whether it's like a deeply reported story that's leveraging you know journalism over the past 22 years that is like", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 533.524, "endSec": 545.274, "text": "It's like, you know, getting people out of prison. So, you Yeah. know, just the way we react to different stories and really the whole range of things that sensitize us to how we consume them, I think, is fascinating.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 545.624, "endSec": 552.116, "text": "And I love that idea too of the tools and then also the like sense memory. Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 552.116, "endSec": 558.516, "text": "You know, that's one of the things, so I love beer, which is an embarrassing thing to be talking about on a Friday morning.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 558.966, "endSec": 580.616, "text": "What's good guys, Scoobert Doobert here for the Love Music More podcast and I want to let you in on a little secret. One of my favorite new things, Minuendo lossless earplugs. So these are really, really, really cool. I've got two of them here. It comes in this awesome sweet box, but it comes with a bunch of little goodies like carrying case, tether, cleaning tools.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 580.82, "endSec": 601.5200000000001, "text": "rules that the real tech is in these little tiny lossless earplugs. My favorite thing about it is one, you can swap out any of the included tips. So depending on the size of your ear canal, we're all built different. You can get a nice comfortable fit. But there's also this little lever on these adjustable versions that can go from seven to 25 decibels of cutting.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 601.5200000000001, "endSec": 616.1619999999999, "text": "So depending on if you're listening to new metal or jazz, you can just hit the little lever and adjust in real time. And I think that's really, really cool. You know, for the longest time I was listening in those awful foam earplugs and it makes the music sound like that. It just cuts off all of those high frequencies.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 617.212, "endSec": 634.4119999999999, "text": "And so I was always tempted to sneak them out a little bit. Oh, it's my favorite song. No earplugs. And you get hearing damage. You have tinnitus after the show and then you come back, you want to work in the studio. And guess what? Your ears aren't right. And that's why I love Minuendo because you can just pop these in and have full, full, full fidelity.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 634.4119999999999, "endSec": 649.1, "text": "with these lossless earplugs. They're two different versions. One is adjustable with the little lever and then this one is fixed at 17 decibels. So check out minnuendo.com where you can search them on Amazon and find...", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 649.524, "endSec": 651.274, "text": "Minuendo earplugs today.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 651.324, "endSec": 670.024, "text": "One of the reasons why I love it and one of the reasons I love listening to podcasts by brewers is they talk a lot about sense memory in a way that I don't think we talk about enough in audio. They talk about it in terms of smell, like aroma, flavor, and how they try to elicit these things like, oh, that is reminiscent of like gummy bears and that puts me in this happy place.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 670.024, "endSec": 680.28, "text": "And yeah, these like little things that they're playing with like the psychology of taste like a great chef would, but they're doing it in a beverage. average and in in audio we can do so much of that too um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 680.28, "endSec": 691.4799999999999, "text": "Yeah. it's especially for people like me i'm an auditory learner i For sure. was always the person that in class they didn't necessarily think i was listening because i was like looking off or drawing or something like that it's like i'm no i'm", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 691.4799999999999, "endSec": 699.3299999999999, "text": "You're i'm taking it taking in, right? it in in the way that i do you know and i think it's really powerful to be able to give those that ear candy so to speak", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 699.93, "endSec": 716.418, "text": "Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Because you think you're isolating certain factors that are having an effect and sometimes you can but there's always different ways things are interpreted and it's really fun as a creative person to sort of find ways to channel that. And every situation is different, you know, some", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 716.418, "endSec": 716.668, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 716.668, "endSec": 724.218, "text": "things require more sort of open thinking and are conducive to more creativity and sort of novelty and approach and some things you just have to sort of.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 725.108, "endSec": 731.558, "text": "You know go to work and and put the theme in and paste it out and let the voices speak for themselves, you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 731.6579999999999, "endSec": 741.558, "text": "How do you not distract? How do you kind of like thread that line if, yes, say you're doing a limited series, something that has a little bit more of like a fingerprint on it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 742.2579999999999, "endSec": 749.608, "text": "How do you thread that line in between giving excitement and adding to the pace of the show without distracting from the narrative?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 750.996, "endSec": 772.446, "text": "Um, that's one of my favorite parts of the job is sort of when, when I have a big project coming up where it's sort of like a long form concept, I like to meet with the, you know, the people who I'm going to make the story with and say, what, how do we want the sound world to?", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 772.446, "endSec": 798.6020000000001, "text": "complement the story we're trying to tell like how do we you know and and a big way is well how much archival sound are we using you know how much how many how many uh different voices are going to be are we going to have 30 interviews spread out you know interspersed is it going to be sort of you know and sort of consider how you're going to balance these sounds and these textures against one another another and then of course you think about the music package and as often as possible", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 799.956, "endSec": 822.206, "text": "I, you know, really advocate, and we do original music packages for just about all of our originals. And coming up with a package that is fits hand in glove with the editorial and sort of narrative vision of the show. And it feels kind of like alchemy, but at the end of the day, you can take your cues from a lot of different elements of the storytelling process.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 822.206, "endSec": 859.1913322500001, "text": "And I think that's super fun, you know. We did a podcast. It was a fantastic story. And I highly recommend you guys check it out, maybe drop a link. But anyway, when we are talking about what we're going to do for the music concept, we had so much archival sound going back years of journalist Dan Sleppy and investigating J.J. Velasquez, who's the subject of this story. Sound from inside the prison.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 859.1913322500001, "endSec": 865.89133225, "text": "I thought, why don't we take that sound and use that as a fundamental basis for synthesizing a lot of the actual musical elements in the score.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 866.09133225, "endSec": 883.0373322500001, "text": "Yes. So you have birds chirping, you have chains, you have doors slamming, you have hubbub and wallah and all of these sounds that originated from within the confines of where we're telling the story. You know, really putting the listener. in in the shoes of people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 883.0373322500001, "endSec": 883.93733225, "text": "Yes, right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 883.93733225, "endSec": 901.7873322500001, "text": "and so we worked with you know a really great uh music house um four elements music to take those sounds resynthesize those sounds and come up with the score that of course there are other elements of the score we had other references that we're trying to sort of match in terms of tone in terms of like you know you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 902.25733225, "endSec": 915.50733225, "text": "uh orchestration and instrumentation and those are other considerations too but just taking our cues foundationally from like the elements of the story that we really want to convey so that's that's an example of um how i approach what you're saying you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 915.8073322500001, "endSec": 921.5573322500001, "text": "And I love the term that you used, sound world. That's really, that's just a captivating, like evocative", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 921.5573322500001, "endSec": 929.1573322500001, "text": "that's that's term. what we're creating whether we like it or not you know so it's it's good to sort of think through every every possibility", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 929.74533225, "endSec": 937.99533225, "text": "yeah i mean in the same way that i i have talked um on previous podcasts about how important i feel intros and outros are um not", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 937.99533225, "endSec": 960.90533225, "text": "Yeah. necessarily like it has to be a bar intro like not like that um but in terms of giving the song like a good birth and a good death because it's like it is a linear art form it only exists for this period of time that you're playing a song um giving it like a moment to like introduce itself and a moment to get off stage uh in whatever way that is appropriate for the song it Right. can be chaotic", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 960.90533225, "endSec": 976.50533225, "text": "Yeah. it can be beautiful whatever um but just like giving that enough uh in like like interest and time and intentionality so that you're not just like faded and faded out whatever it's like no this is an important moment for the song yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 976.50533225, "endSec": 983.3553322500001, "text": "Oh, yeah. I mean, there's there's there's I mean, if I'm score if I'm scoring a podcast or trying to score any anything really.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 983.3553322500001, "endSec": 1004.55333225, "text": "you know there's there's a lot of craft to it you know I mean there's only you know there's there's there's obvious places to come in and punctuate and there's sometimes you want to play against the action and there's sometimes like I said you want to sort of preface something in a subconsciously so that by the time the moment comes this well doesn't come out of nowhere you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1004.55333225, "endSec": 1015.8833322500001, "text": "Yeah. know you're right there's a lot of ways ways to think about the ins and the outs and sometimes there's you know I've heard people that I respect a lot say categorically why you know no fade outs you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1015.8833322500001, "endSec": 1035.4333322500001, "text": "Right. know be intentional be intentional about your staying and well what if you know what if that's not what's supporting the action what if that's not what's supporting this transition that we're trying to create here you know there's so there's no hard hard set rules but I think you're right I think letting sometimes letting the VO just speak for itself you know and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1036.46533225, "endSec": 1046.01533225, "text": "letting the words sink in with with with nothing at all is the right creative call and sometimes you know but then again there's always alternative ways of approaching things and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1046.01533225, "endSec": 1051.6653322500001, "text": "Absolutely. and sort of maybe that's the fun also that Yeah, can be just as effective you know yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1051.6653322500001, "endSec": 1065.10133225, "text": "it's freeing to not have only one right outcome or one right output. Right. Yeah, there could just be some that might feel a little more right given what came before or after, but yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1065.10133225, "endSec": 1079.25133225, "text": "Yeah, I mean, that's funny because I play with that too. It's like I feel very strongly about my creative choices and if I'm in a position to sort of do what I want, which", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1079.25133225, "endSec": 1086.40133225, "text": "Yeah, is the most, yeah, but I'm still sort of thinking ahead to possible objections that I'm going to get because in a collaborative environment.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1086.40133225, "endSec": 1105.11533225, "text": "so so it's a fun interplay between i i always think that i'm right when i when i score something or when i bring music in a certain way and then someone else has a different opinion and it's and i'm like well okay my first reaction is you're wrong but um it's like no how can we how can we come together and you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1105.11533225, "endSec": 1113.56533225, "text": "Yeah, know plead your case and that that's part of the fun right it is it is and that that's part and parcel with all things audio probably all things creative. Yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1113.56533225, "endSec": 1122.87333225, "text": "yeah I also like the perspective on it because it I think it puts it into context that people fundamentally understand more, which is visuals, where", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1122.87333225, "endSec": 1137.62333225, "text": "Mm-hmm. if you think about like fade in, fade out, dissolve cuts, like how are you wiping from one scene to the next? How are you like setting these things up and then applying those kind of ideas to audio that in a lot of times I think audio just kind of flows by people where", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1137.62333225, "endSec": 1158.07133225, "text": "Yeah. it's perceived, it's certainly emotionally impactful, but it's a little less like. easy to grasp and easy to be like i saw that thing go from that thing to that thing versus i heard the chains of the prison naturally transition into the the birds outside you know like that that's a little bit harder i think to place yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1158.07133225, "endSec": 1165.62133225, "text": "Well, I think you're right. I think people need to learn how to consume certain formats. I think we have tropes in linear TV and now even scripted.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1167.73733225, "endSec": 1175.68733225, "text": "where we kind of understand the little winks and nods and visual cues it's become a really deep lexicon that a lot of most you know a lot of people speak i", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1175.68733225, "endSec": 1193.53733225, "text": "Yeah. think audio requires a new set of tools and i think there are certain things that are maybe more out of reach because you know we only have you know 30 of people you know whatever age eligible people in the country again fact we'll fact check the stat but listen to podcasts once you know at least once a week and so", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1194.25733225, "endSec": 1201.1073322500001, "text": "Unlike television or other digital content where people kind of understand how to consume it. I think that's really exciting because...", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1201.1073322500001, "endSec": 1228.84333225, "text": "uh we can be more creative and we can be more evocative and and we can leave easter eggs in there for the people who've really learned how to listen closely and we can just let other people say i mean i've heard it all you know um how do you make it do that 3d thing you know it's like and it's like yeah that that they felt that they understood that on a certain level so i think that range of experience with with podcast and audio first content is is part of why it's an exciting frontier and in storytelling at least for me", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1229.13733225, "endSec": 1244.98733225, "text": "I agree. And I agree that, yeah, when in the absence of a hard and fast like lexicon or vocabulary, I mean, you could probably see the same thing with jazz, right? Like there's different arc of jazz that has different types of creativity, different types of bounds.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1245.5873322500001, "endSec": 1259.19133225, "text": "Oh, definitely. I mean, jazz is, you know, you've got your standards and you've got your licks and you've got all of this language that's really rich and complex. um yeah so sort of well-worn um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1259.19133225, "endSec": 1278.84133225, "text": "Yes. uh yeah and and we have the same thing in like tv and a lot of times you'll cut uh you know you'll go from the studio to the correspondent and you'll hear a whoosh you know and maybe we'll adopt the whoosh in a podcast you know and just to sort of accomplish the same thing so um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1280.46533225, "endSec": 1284.51533225, "text": "So yeah, it is fun to have this tool set and then find new ways to sort of play with them.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1284.51533225, "endSec": 1289.1653322500001, "text": "Certainly. And like video games has got its own definitely thing Right. like with that. Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1289.46533225, "endSec": 1295.21533225, "text": "Right. Which is always fun to try to sort of break the mold and play against expectations too. It's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1295.21533225, "endSec": 1304.76533225, "text": "Yeah, a careful balance. absolutely. Yeah, no, I think about that. We did some 3D music videos using a video game software called Unity.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1305.11533225, "endSec": 1322.6833322500001, "text": "Yeah, yeah. there was like just this natural conversation with mario 64 because it was just like hey that's that's kind of the backbone of this medium like everything we do is are we leaning into or pushing away from mario 64", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1323.13333225, "endSec": 1333.1833322500001, "text": "right right well it's like you know if you're making a podcast it's everyone's talking it's either cereal or the daily you know and it's like you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1333.74533225, "endSec": 1339.6453322500001, "text": "Totally. Or Dan Carlin, Hardcore History. Yeah, exactly. That's another popular one. Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1340.09533225, "endSec": 1349.79533225, "text": "That one's funny because he does these big timpani hits. Because it's so dramatic, but it literally hammers in his point with a douche.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1349.79533225, "endSec": 1355.6373322499999, "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sometimes, you know. you got to hit people over the head with a stick and that's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1355.6373322499999, "endSec": 1375.3873322499999, "text": "totally he and does it then everyone gets it yeah does it's true it's true and it's it's great i don't know it's fun listening to content that is especially stuff that you know like maybe learned in school something like that and then have it editorialized in a way that's like hey you haven't looked at it from this perspective though there's just drama inherent", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1376.11333225, "endSec": 1380.21333225, "text": "Well, right. And there's also something about just somebody telling you about it.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1380.26333225, "endSec": 1386.46333225, "text": "Yeah, you're right. The way True. in which you're receiving the information, sort of the auditory pathway is, you know,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1386.46333225, "endSec": 1412.26733225, "text": "Yeah. it's so much more complex and nuanced than say the visual pathway in terms of how these signals are getting, you know, sent to different parts of your brain and the way that you're responding on an instinctual level, you know, to auditory information. So maybe you're right. Maybe that. Maybe that makes us more conducive to sort of listening more closely, but", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1412.26733225, "endSec": 1419.4113322500002, "text": "Yeah. then also like the social element of. of what it sounds like just to have somebody be like hey have you thought about it this way you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1419.4113322500002, "endSec": 1419.6613322500002, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1419.6613322500002, "endSec": 1421.36133225, "text": "it's it's also a tone thing right", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1421.36133225, "endSec": 1426.56133225, "text": "Totally. And the charisma of the microphone is just like you did, you leaned in a little bit and got a little like, you", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1426.56133225, "endSec": 1441.5113322500001, "text": "know, it's like, ooh, that's sexy. But that's what I think is so fun with, yeah, all the tools that we have is that you can highlight those things. The microphones have a certain charisma. The hosts have a certain charisma. There's a lexicon.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1441.5113322500001, "endSec": 1454.39733225, "text": "lexicons being developed that producers are understanding different ways to interact with that and then yeah like really like if you think about it we're plugging into the oral history tradition which is older than anything like we're talking bards and stuff yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1454.39733225, "endSec": 1470.56333225, "text": "Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And that's fundamental to who we are and how we learn and how we process information. And I think I'm just thinking of this now. I mean, this podcast that we're having right now, I mean, podcast, the two-way remote podcast aesthetic has really become. um speaking of lexicon you know like", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1470.56333225, "endSec": 1496.56333225, "text": "Yeah. sort of front and center in the lexicon and people can kind of i mean imagine 10 years ago if you went to a youtube video and you saw a two shot of two people with microphones in their faces and headphones on having a conversation you'd be kind of like okay you know but now you see that you're like all right this is a podcast i wonder what they're talking about let's you know um but i wonder if the pandemic and all this virtual you know um teleconferencing and not being in person you know sort of", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1497.07333225, "endSec": 1510.2213322500002, "text": "help to foster that in a way. It's kind of interesting. Certainly. And the microphones are part of what ends up legitimizing it, where it's like, I've done this, but I didn't do it with that. And I didn't do it with sound panels and lighting,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1510.2213322500002, "endSec": 1525.27133225, "text": "right you know, it's like, exactly oh, okay, these people are legit. i know yeah talking again very specific language and lexicon and you know and credibility is such an important part in in this whole conversation i mean where does it come from you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1525.27133225, "endSec": 1552.65933225, "text": "I know, right? know I mean, I that's something I candidly I struggle with and I am working on because I do every other podcast is a solo podcast so I'll do guests and then I'll do some sort of topic and that's that's been a really difficult and challenging but also very very fun kind of way to like evolve the podcast and see how do I share something that I'm working on in my music production world that hopefully will legitimize when I return the next week for a conversation.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1553.55333225, "endSec": 1563.75333225, "text": "I like that. That's cool. I mean, again, it's just all these little markers of legitimacy, but ultimately you just got to do your thing and believe in yourself and get", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1563.75333225, "endSec": 1580.7213322500002, "text": "self-confidence up every day and, you know, don't stop doing it. but that's the dirty little secret is like it doesn't really matter what you're doing and music is kind of the ultimate of this you're not going to get good in a day you're also not going to get good by just like hanging out with good people that's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1580.7213322500002, "endSec": 1601.02133225, "text": "Right. part of it you're not going to get good just by going to school you're going to get good at it in the aggregate over years like it's it's like learning a language you just you can't do all the flash cards in a day and be better tomorrow you're going to be like not even marginally better you're going to be imperceptibly better tomorrow but compounding you're going to end up getting great", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1601.71333225, "endSec": 1603.01333225, "text": "well and you got to do it you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1603.01333225, "endSec": 1603.21333225, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1603.21333225, "endSec": 1603.56333225, "text": "know ultimately", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1603.56333225, "endSec": 1604.11333225, "text": "you have", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1604.11333225, "endSec": 1604.1633322500002, "text": "you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1604.1633322500002, "endSec": 1604.31333225, "text": "to.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1604.31333225, "endSec": 1610.76333225, "text": "got to put yourself in the room and clear out the distractions and do it you know and it's like you know you hear people hating on other people's music and you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1610.76333225, "endSec": 1610.86333225, "text": "Right,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1610.86333225, "endSec": 1613.51333225, "text": "say well go sit in a room and make a record you know you guys", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1613.51333225, "endSec": 1613.86333225, "text": "exactly.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1613.86333225, "endSec": 1615.06333225, "text": "out there doing it right", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1615.06333225, "endSec": 1616.6633322500002, "text": "Yeah, join the conversation.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1616.6633322500002, "endSec": 1617.9133322500002, "text": "exactly", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1618.06333225, "endSec": 1639.13333225, "text": "I've got some big news, everybody. My vinyl record is out. We didn't make a ton of these, so these guys are going to sell out, and I'd love for you to get your hands on one of them because they're so dope. Nope. They're so dope. And it comes with a whole bunch of like liner notes and pictures and special stuff, the things that really went into making this record. And I want you to get your hands on it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1639.13333225, "endSec": 1654.53333225, "text": "So go to scoobertdoobert.pizza or check out my Instagram for a link or click the link in the show notes or the bio or wherever you're watching this to pick up your copy. You know, they're going to sell out. We really did not make very many of these and I want Yeah. you to have it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1654.51333225, "endSec": 1663.11333225, "text": "But it's like a collector's item. So thank you. Thank you for supporting my music. And I can't wait for you to hear it actually on physical vinyl. Enjoy the rest of the episode.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1664.0786645, "endSec": 1681.8786645, "text": "i think even if like the conversation that you're putting out is not making better music you're at least making the music that more aligns with your vision and that's really what a lot of people are saying in those value statements of like this is good or bad is a lot of it is like i don't think music should sound like that that's really a call to arms yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1681.8786645, "endSec": 1696.8266645, "text": "Right. I mean, so going to music school and studying jazz and composition and later audio engineering, you know, there's so many. These rote structures that were meant to sort of internalize, you know.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1696.8266645, "endSec": 1714.6806645000001, "text": "but really and so you're sort of always at odds with well how does my creativity fit within this am I doing something that sounds too much like you know 60s era train am I doing something that sounds too much like you know Nefertiti Miles already did this or you know well how am I trying to build on this you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1714.6806645000001, "endSec": 1715.2306645, "text": "Good examples,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1715.2306645, "endSec": 1715.5306645, "text": "know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1715.5306645, "endSec": 1717.0306645, "text": "by the way, because that's a lot of people.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1717.0306645, "endSec": 1725.9306645000001, "text": "well sure but then you get you look at like Dave Holland and then you look at Jason Moran and you look at the way jazz and Robert Glasper has sort of like evolved over the years you're like well where do I fit in this am I a jazz", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1725.7986645, "endSec": 1725.7986645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1725.7986645, "endSec": 1739.2486645000001, "text": "a jazz musician but but really it's like all along just trust your gut and tune that tune that stuff out you know like like i write songs as a hobby and i'll write something and i'll be like i don't know if that's pop enough that's like but i can feel something in in my", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1740.0386645, "endSec": 1763.4886645000001, "text": "you know in my creative voice that's just like no do this dude this is this is what you want to do this little vocal flourish because it feels good you know and i've been learning to lean into that because honestly what am i doing this for you know it's like oh i'm trying to calibrate the perfect song and have a get a sync and have a breakout hit and it's like this is all ego get out of your head man you're like you've set time aside to make music and and what i find is that when i lean into those", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1764.3586645, "endSec": 1778.2586645000001, "text": "sort of creative voices and tune those other things out that are trying to contextualize self-contextualize a product that I'm making you know when I lean into the creative experience it's always better the product is always better maybe", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1778.2586645000001, "endSec": 1778.7086645000002, "text": "Hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1778.7086645000002, "endSec": 1778.8086645, "text": "that's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1778.8086645, "endSec": 1779.1586645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1779.1586645, "endSec": 1779.5586645, "text": "because I", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1779.5586645, "endSec": 1779.7086645000002, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1779.7086645000002, "endSec": 1791.0366645000001, "text": "did what I wanted and I like it more but that's maybe that's the point you know and you hear a lot of artists talk like this you know they're like Just just do you and you're", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1791.0366645000001, "endSec": 1791.5866645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1791.5866645, "endSec": 1795.4866645000002, "text": "like all that's so trite them easy for you to say it's like no that's the sauce", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1795.8366645, "endSec": 1809.4526645, "text": "Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think that there are other ways to say that that might, like, land with people. The way that you were prefacing it is exactly one way. Like, because distilling it down to just do you is like, I don't know who I am.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1809.7026645, "endSec": 1809.9026645000001, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1809.9026645000001, "endSec": 1811.6526645000001, "text": "You know, it's like you'll, but the opposite,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1811.6526645000001, "endSec": 1812.1526645000001, "text": "That's true.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1812.1526645000001, "endSec": 1817.3026645, "text": "the part of it, the corollary is you're going to discover it as you go. Like, just keep saying yes to yourself.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1817.3026645, "endSec": 1817.5026645, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1817.5026645, "endSec": 1818.9026645000001, "text": "Follow yourself down the cracks.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1818.9026645000001, "endSec": 1819.1026645000002, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1819.1026645000002, "endSec": 1819.3026645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1819.3026645, "endSec": 1825.4026645000001, "text": "And the process is so important. You know, it's, it's, you could, you know, I could, I could program something.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1826.1826645, "endSec": 1831.8826645000001, "text": "I can sit there and listen to it. I can play with the piano roll for an hour. It's like, no, man, you already missed the point. You", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1831.8826645000001, "endSec": 1831.9826645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1831.9826645, "endSec": 1833.5326645, "text": "know, it will reveal itself.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1833.5326645, "endSec": 1834.0826645000002, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1834.3326645000002, "endSec": 1835.2326645, "text": "Just keep going.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1836.5506645, "endSec": 1841.7006645000001, "text": "exactly and and understand that there are there are different hats to wear different parts of the process especially", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1841.7006645000001, "endSec": 1842.2006645000001, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1842.2006645000001, "endSec": 1843.1506645000002, "text": "as you're laying stuff down", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1843.1506645000002, "endSec": 1843.8506645000002, "text": "That's a good point.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1844.1006645000002, "endSec": 1849.8006645, "text": "i always like to i don't follow the path of least resistance i follow the path of most excitement which", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1849.8006645, "endSec": 1850.5006645, "text": "I like that.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1850.5006645, "endSec": 1850.7506645, "text": "is possible", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1850.7506645, "endSec": 1850.8506645000002, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1850.8506645000002, "endSec": 1852.3006645, "text": "yeah yeah because", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1852.3006645, "endSec": 1852.6006645000002, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1852.6006645000002, "endSec": 1859.5006645, "text": "like sometimes the excitement leads you down to like shit that's going to take six hours but i'm gonna you know i'm gonna do it now because it's exciting", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1859.5006645, "endSec": 1867.1026645000002, "text": "And you're bringing, and I like that you're bringing it back around to sort of craft. craft um and and having a production plan because yeah it's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1867.1026645000002, "endSec": 1867.2026645, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1867.2026645, "endSec": 1869.9026645000001, "text": "it's one thing to like start a demo and have 70 of them you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1869.9026645000001, "endSec": 1870.0026645, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1870.0026645, "endSec": 1889.2526645, "text": "know in your in your demo folder and it's like a verse and a chorus and you move on to the next one right get your butt in the chair and being like all right i'm writing i'm writing a second verse i'm writing a bridge i'm just i'm going to get this done i'm going to get this done by eight o'clock i'm going to you know and and then what am i going to do i'm going to mix it you know and then i'm going to have a", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1889.3826645000001, "endSec": 1891.4326645, "text": "a release plan or whatever that is you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1891.4326645, "endSec": 1891.5326645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1891.5326645, "endSec": 1909.8826645000001, "text": "know it's always seeing seeing a few steps ahead and and i think that i mean to bring it all the way back around that's one of the things that i love about making podcasts is because personally i get to do sort of music i get to do audio engineering i get to weigh in on editorial and i get to think about like the whole portfolio um and and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1911.0466645000001, "endSec": 1930.2466645, "text": "there's one thing i like or will and want to be able to bring more to my music when i actually have time to do it which is like a holistic sort of all right pre-production these are the demos it's going to be an ep i'm going to go and i'm going to record it in burlington the third week of august i'm going to try to release it you know whatever whatever the plan is you know and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1930.2466645, "endSec": 1930.6466645, "text": "I love", "speaker": "Luke F. 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Walton" }, { "startSec": 1970.9726645, "endSec": 1971.2226645, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1971.2226645, "endSec": 1977.5726645, "text": "if you just never wrote the verse even if it is the worst thing you've ever made um that is better than doing nothing Yeah. yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1977.5726645, "endSec": 1978.7726645, "text": "Small achievable goals.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 1978.7726645, "endSec": 1994.0226645, "text": "totally and like you yeah check it off and then you can add it back to the to-do list like that's okay um but it is the it is the the progression of production creates its own positive momentum", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1994.8866645, "endSec": 2000.6926645, "text": "Yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean... It's tough to stay motivated sometimes,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2000.9426645, "endSec": 2000.9926645, "text": "absolutely", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2000.9926645, "endSec": 2001.5426645, "text": "you know?", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2001.5426645, "endSec": 2026.4426645, "text": "that the whole world is pushing against motivation and it i so much of life is just trying to get caught in positive feedback loops everything from exercise diet you know like i was just talking about beer at 8 a.m like you know this is probably not the most positive feedback loop but whatever um you know there there's all of these things that yeah if you if you pour stuff into it things will get better and it'll get easier but you got to do it every day", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2026.8226645, "endSec": 2027.4726645, "text": "um and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2027.4726645, "endSec": 2028.0226645, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2028.0226645, "endSec": 2043.3726645000002, "text": "it you're not always going to stay you know focused you're not always going to be creative but it's just like setting that intentionality setting those frameworks pouring energy into it and then it will generate its own energy if you put enough energy into it the muses do respond i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2043.3726645000002, "endSec": 2051.1226645, "text": "Yeah. Yeah. And also valuing yourself enough to do sort of what you know you need to do. I like that.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2051.8726645, "endSec": 2052.1226645, "text": "like that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2052.9026645, "endSec": 2055.2026645, "text": "Yeah, yeah because when it's easy it's easy I", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2055.2026645, "endSec": 2066.2026645, "text": "Yeah, totally. And you're just you're always kind of chasing that high. And I like to think a lot of the easiness comes from doing right by the muses. Like that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2066.2026645, "endSec": 2067.0526645, "text": "like that yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2069.3026645, "endSec": 2080.9026645, "text": "is that is what you're being called to do when you're when you hear an unconventional idea, but you do it and then you feel passionate about it. Now you have more momentum. It's like you did the right thing and now you're being rewarded for it.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2081.5426645000002, "endSec": 2091.2926645000002, "text": "Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, making bold choices is, it feels risky sometimes, but you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2091.2926645000002, "endSec": 2091.5926645, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2091.5926645, "endSec": 2092.5926645, "text": "got to get that idea out there.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2092.5926645, "endSec": 2094.5926645, "text": "but by doing it, it's self-inspiring.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2094.8926645, "endSec": 2095.3426645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2095.4926645, "endSec": 2095.6926645, "text": "And", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2095.6926645, "endSec": 2095.9426645, "text": "No,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2095.9426645, "endSec": 2096.1426645, "text": "when", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2096.1426645, "endSec": 2096.3426645, "text": "it's true.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2096.3426645, "endSec": 2108.0426645000002, "text": "you cut that off, then you mess with the, you know, not to get hippy-dippy, but it's like the chakra kind of thing. I like that there's a usefulness in some of the...", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2108.0426645000002, "endSec": 2130.0706645, "text": "more mystical ways of looking at audio production because i think that it helps even if it's not real even if it's whatever it just helps to put it into a box of like i need to let this thing flow if i don't let this thing flow things get bottled up it's like you need some acupuncture to free it up even if it's not you know actual acupuncture yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2130.2706645000003, "endSec": 2138.4206645, "text": "I think you're right, and I think it's not hippy-dippy at all to consider that if you are in a...", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2139.2066645, "endSec": 2150.2566645, "text": "creative state if you are feeling fulfilled if you are sort of creating music and art in in the moment from", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2153.8626645, "endSec": 2161.5626645, "text": "yeah an uncluttered perspective you will take deeper breaths you will oxygenate your blood you will relax unclench your jaw you know you will", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2161.5626645, "endSec": 2162.0626645, "text": "Yeah, yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2162.0626645, "endSec": 2173.8126645, "text": "start to align your lymphatic system and your chakras i mean which is you know relies on you know an ancient you know system of physiology and psychology which is you know there's nothing hippy-dippy about it so", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2173.8126645, "endSec": 2173.9126645, "text": "right,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2173.9126645, "endSec": 2188.2746645, "text": "so i think they're definitely you know and you're you know so if you get that creative state right if you get that balance right if you get that positive feedback loop right definitely has a psychological and physiological you know feedback too i", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2188.2746645, "endSec": 2188.4746645, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2188.4746645, "endSec": 2189.2746645, "text": "think it's very useful", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2189.5246645, "endSec": 2193.1746645000003, "text": "And in all things, the end goal should be flow state.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2194.8746645, "endSec": 2195.0246645, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2195.0246645, "endSec": 2203.2746645, "text": "All these metaphors and stuff are just trying to get towards that. And when you find flow state, that is the like...", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2203.8466645, "endSec": 2209.8966645, "text": "um there's a greek word i don't remember right now but like basically the idea of like being possessed by the muses where", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2209.8966645, "endSec": 2222.8966645, "text": "Yeah. you are not you are now just like a vessel for this thing and it's going to come out and it's funny because sometimes it's not even the best thing but like just hitting that point uh you got months of inspiration you're just gonna keep chasing it", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2223.6226645, "endSec": 2228.6226645, "text": "I mean, I love the way, and then the Greek theory of, you know, how the different modes would", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2228.6226645, "endSec": 2234.2726645000002, "text": "Yeah. evoke different emotional states, you know, and you don't want to play Phrygian for your kids or whatever, they're going to fight", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2234.2726645000002, "endSec": 2234.3726645, "text": "Right,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2234.3726645, "endSec": 2234.6726645, "text": "each other.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2234.6726645, "endSec": 2236.1726645, "text": "right, right. Yeah, totally, totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2236.7726645000002, "endSec": 2239.1226645, "text": "No, it's a cool way of thinking about it.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2239.3226645, "endSec": 2242.4726645, "text": "Yeah. And I like, I don't know, I think it's fun.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2243.5906645, "endSec": 2247.8406645, "text": "to think about the mystical because it is thinking about the things that you cannot control and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2247.8406645, "endSec": 2264.0526645, "text": "Yeah, in audio there are plenty of things that we can control i think we can lure ourselves into thinking like i am the god of this mix or whatever um and then a lot of times the coolest thing in the mix you're like i don't know why that stuff routed into that compressor is doing this now but i'm not going to touch it it's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2264.0526645, "endSec": 2268.2526645, "text": "Right, right, like the ghost in the machine sometimes is the better mix engineer sometimes the best", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2268.2526645, "endSec": 2278.1526645000004, "text": "right, melody is the one that like you dreamt of or you know these weird little things are like you're it's 3 a.m and you're kind of noodling on your guitar and like you come up with a little line and you're like oh that's the hook those", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2278.1526645000004, "endSec": 2294.2826645, "text": "yeah, right. those uh dashes of the illogical are um are valuable and probably even more valuable than the stuff that you're saying, the frameworks and the traditions that you're trying to quote and you're trying to be inside of.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2294.2826645, "endSec": 2300.8826645, "text": "Right. That's all helpful and that gives you like a foundation, but the best stuff comes out of who knows where.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2301.1326645, "endSec": 2307.0826645, "text": "Well, it's interesting. It's like context is everything and I'm always baffled like I'll like be.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2307.0826645, "endSec": 2334.4106645, "text": "synthesizing some synth patch and i'll be like i hate this and then i'll be you know then i'll listen to something in a pop song and it's like that sounds a lot like what i made but i really love this you know it's like you know i was listening to this song and i and i've been listening to it a lot and and and i all of a sudden realize that there's like this electric guitar sample that's pretty prominent in the mix it just sounds awful and i'm like super works though like if i was going through samples i'd be like no nope", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2334.4706645, "endSec": 2345.1706645000004, "text": "Nope, nope, you know, so Right. it's fun to be surprised, you It know, right, is. And that's one of the reasons why it's great to audition things in context as much as possible and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2345.1706645000004, "endSec": 2358.0206645, "text": "right, why I have this ship is totally sailed. I am now like kind of mixing as I go, which so many people told me never to do. But the reason why I do it, even though it creates sometimes more work down on the other end is I know what I'm fitting into.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2358.6706645000004, "endSec": 2366.5366645000004, "text": "right. I like to mix as I go when I'm doing original music because i know how much headroom i have Yes, i know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2366.5366645000004, "endSec": 2374.4366645, "text": "exactly. how much space i have um and i'm auditioning like the raw elements against the finished product like especially the the voice you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2374.4366645, "endSec": 2395.6446645, "text": "Especially know the voice. I agree. you know so if i i'll do i don't know about you but like tons of takes and i'll be like no this sucks no this sucks and it's not so much because i want a better take it's because i think i'm you know you're refining as you go and you're making it better and then and then you have that but but But how can you know if it really works unless you have your signal chain how", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2395.6446645, "endSec": 2396.1446645, "text": "Yep,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2396.1446645, "endSec": 2398.3446645000004, "text": "you want it, if you have your gain where you want it,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2398.3446645000004, "endSec": 2398.3946645, "text": "yep", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2398.3946645, "endSec": 2406.9346645, "text": "maybe one day if somebody's paying me a million bucks to go into a studio and do whatever I want if I take it makes it I don't care you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2406.9346645, "endSec": 2413.4346645, "text": "Yeah, know but yeah. when you're when you're a one-man band and you're self-producing uh oh yeah I'm right there with you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2413.6846645, "endSec": 2430.2346645000002, "text": "Yeah, sorry to interrupt this very important broadcast, but it's time for one more advertisement for myself for this podcast. What I'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars, share it with your friends. This is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow. So if you want to do this, you go into the podcast screen, right?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2430.2346645000002, "endSec": 2449.0926645, "text": "You click on the dot dot dot on Spotify under there It says rate show and you go and you click it five stars if you do that for me That's the best way for the algorithms all this stuff to share it out with the world I know that it's a lot to ask but if you could please please please just please just hit those three dots on a five star It really help us out and helps us,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2449.1426645, "endSec": 2458.1426645, "text": "you know get the get the word out and spread the love of music So thank you if you're listening on YouTube, you know what to do like subscribe all that good stuff Thank you so much and here's the rest of the episode", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2458.3746645, "endSec": 2479.4626645, "text": "I remember... i don't know how old i was but i was watching some documentary about bruce springsteen writing lyrics in the studio and i thought like oh my gosh that's so ridiculous like it costs so much to be in the studio and and now i'm doing it all the time but it's i love it i and i get why he was doing it because there's a certain energy of like you're in the studio you just lay down that track and now you need you need lyrics", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2480.0626645, "endSec": 2497.3666645000003, "text": "well it's funny because i've heard a story about him and he'll write a hundred songs for a record and then you know only pick 10 or 12 of them it's like you know but then you get in this you get in the studio and the spirit moves and you're like no maybe it's well it's like you said you're in that flow state it's a constant it's a constant um it's a work in progress you know make", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2497.3666645000003, "endSec": 2512.06599675, "text": "yeah yeah and something when you're make something else yeah you're doing it alone too like this is one of the things that i think is tough when i've when i work with collaborators is and it's a good and a bad thing right um we usually lock in the lyrics we get to a point where we've negotiated we feel", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2512.06599675, "endSec": 2532.4659967499997, "text": "Yeah. good about it go execute it but sometimes when you're in the the vocal vibe you're like actually no i don't like this lyric or actually no i should sing it this way or should substitute that word having the freedom to do that sometimes can result in like like you're saying like let's write that verse let's write that bridge you get it done and then it's vocal recording time like i don't like it anymore that's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2532.4659967499997, "endSec": 2538.74999675, "text": "Right. No, it's informative, okay yeah you know. iterative Yeah. I think that's a great word for this.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2539.19999675, "endSec": 2544.49999675, "text": "I'm curious in terms of, because I know pre-production quite well for music production.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2545.19999675, "endSec": 2564.27599675, "text": "I do some for this podcast, but I'm curious on the larger scale when you're working with corporate collaborators, stars, deep, rich libraries, and maybe like you're saying, hundreds of interviews. How do you go about just like starting the process? How do you start sorting it? How do you start sketching it out.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2564.47599675, "endSec": 2567.12599675, "text": "well like you said it depends on the show you Yeah, know if for sure, it depends", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2567.12599675, "endSec": 2590.6759967499997, "text": "for sure. on the format it depends on you know like if you have a podcast with two remote guests um like you and i are chatting here you know that's a pretty typical format um i mean getting good tape coming in is is key you know deciding if this format you know because this format is like are we doing a video pod are we not doing a video pod um how do you how do you want the audio files you want me to send you my mix pre backup after we're done or is this going to be fine", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2590.77999675, "endSec": 2605.37999675, "text": "You know, getting good tape coming in because the highest possible quality is great, you know, and that goes for if you have guests who are remote, you know, are you in a position where you can send them a mic and headphones,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2605.42999675, "endSec": 2615.27999675, "text": "Yeah, they can have yeah, one, are you in a position where you can hire someone to go and stick a mic in their face and record them, you know, and always sort of fighting for resources to get the best tape from every possible source that you can.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2615.92999675, "endSec": 2625.5979967499998, "text": "yeah. And that might mean a reporter in the field needs like a shotgun mic and a portable mixer or, you know, like", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2625.5979967499998, "endSec": 2629.54799675, "text": "Right. just sort of getting ahead of any potential problems, file management, you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2629.54799675, "endSec": 2640.94799675, "text": "Yeah, yeah. know, you might, you know, so for like a really a ton of reporting and a ton of archival project might have five or six hundred pieces of tape, you know, making sure those are.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2642.20399675, "endSec": 2653.85399675, "text": "filed and tagged and you know where to get them. Just having all of your, it's like mise en place, everything is like laid out, you know, as you sort of develop your story outline and your editorial vision and of course the music package we're talking about", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2653.85399675, "endSec": 2666.70399675, "text": "Yeah. and these other ideas about how we're going to put this piece together, making sure that all the tape you have is being gathered in a systematic way and cataloged and transcribed in a systematic way so that when you go to put the pieces together you're working with the best ingredients that you can.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2666.70399675, "endSec": 2688.14199675, "text": "And then, you know, that's, that's pre-production. And sometimes if you have archival tape that sounds like crap, you know, there's different tools you can use to help clean it up or make it more intelligible while still maintaining that, you know, sort of lustrous beauty that is old, you know, low fidelity, you know, archival recording, you know, you don't, you don't want to make it too anemic.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2688.14199675, "endSec": 2693.4859967499997, "text": "yeah just making sure you have good tape and then you know where that's to a great", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2693.4859967499997, "endSec": 2698.93599675, "text": "find it know where to find it yeah get the it's like cooking get the good ingredients and chop them up and get them", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2698.93599675, "endSec": 2702.93599675, "text": "right all sous make chef and sure yeah make sure the person who's recording it knows what they're doing you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2702.93599675, "endSec": 2709.33599675, "text": "yeah yeah right know i mean just basic stuff you know But yeah, it's hard to swim upstream against that.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2709.78599675, "endSec": 2720.38293552551, "text": "Yeah, yeah. And then of course, I mean, I say all that, but that's just from like a technical, I mean, the music and the sound design concept is a little bit more creative, a little bit more editorial.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2720.38293552551, "endSec": 2747.23999675, "text": "But, you know, there are shows that are great and riveting and gripping that, you know, have that are just full of bad tape and bad mixes and mediocre music but you can have such a compelling story that relies on just brave journalism and you know that also deserves to be recognized so you know my job and my ethos is to make sure things sound great um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2747.23999675, "endSec": 2760.38199675, "text": "Yes, yeah. but i know that that's not always possible given every scenario or every person's respective resources doesn't mean they can't make something riveting you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2760.38199675, "endSec": 2760.83199675, "text": "Yeah. and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2760.83199675, "endSec": 2760.88199675, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2760.88199675, "endSec": 2768.41199675, "text": "contribute yeah I agree. And same thing with music, right? Like it's great. You want to have the highest fidelity. You want to have. pro", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2768.41199675, "endSec": 2773.21199675, "text": "Right. quality gear but there's there's a lot of music out there that is not recorded super well but", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2773.21199675, "endSec": 2776.66199675, "text": "Yeah. it's compelling enough Yeah. you Yeah. know yeah I listen to it all the time, you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2776.66199675, "endSec": 2782.96199675, "text": "and know? there's a charm to it too you know like you're saying the preserving some of the low fidelity I", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2782.96199675, "endSec": 2789.86199675, "text": "Right. think about that all the time is like how do I how do I sometimes make it not seem like everything is recorded digital in 2024 yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2789.86199675, "endSec": 2795.16199675, "text": "Right. Right. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta step on it, you know? right It's good. The answer is decapitator.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2795.13199675, "endSec": 2802.3319967499997, "text": "have you heard of sketch cassette that is a good answer too look No, I'm going to check", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2802.3319967499997, "endSec": 2812.53199675, "text": "look it out. that I'm going to remember one up that. that's All right. a good that's a good lo-fi it's like a cassette tape emulator and it does a good job of making stuff sound bad in", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2812.53199675, "endSec": 2816.28199675, "text": "Yeah, a good Sketch way yeah Cassette. Yeah, I think the last one I used is probably isotope vinyl,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2816.28199675, "endSec": 2839.50599675, "text": "yeah nice that's a good one too that's I'm going to check that out. yeah I highly recommend it yeah no it's it's rad uh in terms of the like foley and field recording um i'm always always super fascinated by this because i'm trying to do more of that in my music i just got like a little zoom recorder and then i bought a like i don't know 180 dollar binaural microphone it's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2839.50599675, "endSec": 2843.60599675, "text": "sick that's great hell that i yeah got like it's like kind of sticks in my ears in a weird way", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2843.60599675, "endSec": 2852.81799675, "text": "oh uh yeah that's fun that's cool it's really fun um so i put that i did a song called golden state of mind that i released somewhat recently definitely um that's going to close my next record that's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2852.81799675, "endSec": 2861.51799675, "text": "Yeah. coming out very soon and uh i i have a bunch of little folly that i recorded when i was camping with my friends and just like rain on a tent and just these like nice little california", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2861.51799675, "endSec": 2884.28399675, "text": "That's awesome. things I love that. and it really puts me in a great headspace um but i'm i'm i'm just starting with my kind of folly adventure i love it um but i'm curious what you know what do the pros do what are what are some of the um the things maybe i could look out for maybe gear that you think is is is cool and foley or how's it done is it boom mic is it is it zoom recorders like what what", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2884.28399675, "endSec": 2895.14399675, "text": "Yeah. are we using out there sure I mean, it depends. I mean, I think what you're doing is really exciting. I mean, like, man, I was listening to my friend was like hey check out my friend's record she", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2895.14399675, "endSec": 2899.7939967499997, "text": "Huh? recorded all the drum mics on her all the drums on her cell phone Cool. you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2899.7939967499997, "endSec": 2915.19199675, "text": "Yeah. know so Yeah, right. like really I guess it comes back to what we were just saying like from a technical perspective it doesn't really matter if you can achieve the creative effect that you're going for and what I've realized a lot of the time is like you don't have to overthink it um", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2915.19199675, "endSec": 2930.34199675, "text": "Mm i -hmm. mean but then again like let me see like i don't know if you can see my little mix pre-3 in my hand like this thing is you know the sound devices products are pretty industry standard for going out in the field the zoom stuff is fine too you know it works great", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2930.34199675, "endSec": 2943.18399675, "text": "No, but that's good. um this thing is indestructible we Sweet. usually with the new stuff we don't we don't fake anything um you know it's it's um we're giving you what we reported and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2943.18399675, "endSec": 2964.09399675, "text": "Love so somebody's in the field recording field sound um and they do they'll go on a reporting trip specifically to record field sound i remember this show american radical that we did and preet the varathan the producer you know i sent her into the field very well equipped with like two shotguns and a mix pre and she went around you know following an interview as it's taking place getting", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2964.09399675, "endSec": 2969.39399675, "text": "cool are that getting that sound you know what i mean i you doing like xy or something with these shotguns like how are you capturing", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2969.39399675, "endSec": 2989.0439967499997, "text": "think stereo i feel think that particular well i think she had a zoom and she was using the stereo uh pair on on the little zoom itself and then holding an mke 600 sennheiser which is also pretty standard and i think we probably i don't know i mean we throw all the stuff in the mix and decide like what sounds good stereo image off that little zoom i think worked really nicely as a bed and then", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 2989.62799675, "endSec": 3008.12799675, "text": "can't remember how much of the shotgun we mixed in um Cool but yeah like like for the new stuff we we gotta you know we we gotta capture it in the field and like i said i mean you set your gain right get as close to the source as you can um and then", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3009.21199675, "endSec": 3024.76199675, "text": "you know there's like denoise or de-bird or de-whatever you know like you can modify things so that there's certain elements that are really distracting you know you can clean it up but you're you're using the sound to help tell the story which sounds like what you're doing on your record you know so", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3024.76199675, "endSec": 3036.55199675, "text": "Thanks, yeah, if your sound is helping tell the story if the ear is picking it up and it's not distracting and it's having you know the appropriate sort of emotional impact you know", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3036.55199675, "endSec": 3048.8519967499997, "text": "Yeah. i think i think that's successful you Yeah. I'm always just curious about the, you know, tool strategies. I also think that podcasting is so interesting with stereo field because so much podcasting is straight down the middle, like", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3048.8519967499997, "endSec": 3052.1019967499997, "text": "oh basically mono. yeah there's some big shops that still just release everything in mono yeah", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3052.1019967499997, "endSec": 3064.84599675, "text": "Cool. no i mean i'm a big believer in a wider stereo field than a podcast and if you've listened to any of my podcasts um i mean i i like panning a two-way a little bit left and right Like we're sitting there or if there's a round table, you know if", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3064.84599675, "endSec": 3070.87599675, "text": "Yeah. there's like five people, you know petting them you know so Yeah. that it sounds like you're in the room you", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3070.87599675, "endSec": 3094.87599675, "text": "Right. know I Greetings from Separation. mean you can you can get messed up sometimes if people are literally in a room in the mic you know with phasing and you know there's ways you can you can ameliorate that I mean obviously if if two people or more people are in a really noisy environment and you're on a tight turnaround and everything just sounds like a hash an easy way to make it sound better is put it in mono so you know I do I do commiserate", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3094.84399675, "endSec": 3101.84399675, "text": "Right. yeah no and it's cool too like if you have a like mono voice of god type narrator and", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3101.84399675, "endSec": 3107.39399675, "text": "Yep. then the stereo bed kind of comes Oh, in and sets yeah. that's such like a chill raising kind of kind", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3107.39399675, "endSec": 3113.2939967499997, "text": "Yeah, of definitely. like yeah I mean, you always try to spread the music or if there's sound effects or ambi, you know, a little bit wider to", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3113.2939967499997, "endSec": 3127.0439967499997, "text": "yeah yeah situate the voice closer to the middle. I mean, a lot of people are really excited about spatial audio in podcasts and in music. And I think that that could be an interesting frontier too, just to your point.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3127.1939967499998, "endSec": 3147.99399675, "text": "I agree. I think it'd be more interesting though, like you're saying with a lot of voices, because we did one. There's this guy, Martin Regler, who does spatial audio and we did a like a 360 and spatial audio version, which is kind of cool. You know, you can listeners can check that out. They haven't heard that one. But yeah, when there's only two voices, you know, it's cool.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3147.99399675, "endSec": 3160.56799675, "text": "It's cool. But I don't think it quite has the effect that. Yeah, if you were maybe capturing ambisonic fully and or having a large panel or having some sort of purpose to like, why is someone behind me?", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3160.56799675, "endSec": 3166.1179967499997, "text": "yeah Like some like the agreed yeah narrative reason to do right that rather than just like the technology exists.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3166.1179967499997, "endSec": 3176.01799675, "text": "i think you're totally right yeah makes And sometimes a lot of sense it's hard to find. Like it's like technology in search of a problem. Like where's my killer app kind", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3176.01799675, "endSec": 3184.1599967499997, "text": "that's of idea? an interesting point yeah Right. Um, and you don't know basically right what you're listening on how it's going to fold down and right.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3184.1599967499997, "endSec": 3190.0599967499998, "text": "Totally. What's the point? Uh, it's, I tend to agree for most kinds of content. It's, it's", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3190.0599967499998, "endSec": 3197.70999675, "text": "It's still not really fun solving to, fun a problem. Yeah. to engage with and it's fun to like have in the head just in case you hit a moment you're like, there it is. I need to use this.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3197.70999675, "endSec": 3201.3099967499998, "text": "Well, right. Because you can get, you can get pretty interesting effects with binaural audio alone,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3201.3099967499998, "endSec": 3208.07599675, "text": "Yeah, you know? yeah. I agree. I mean, and it's even just the contrast like Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3208.07599675, "endSec": 3215.7759967499996, "text": "creates so much of the effect of like, it's 3D and it's like, yeah, it's just stereo, but it's like the contrast between the other thing was big.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3215.7759967499996, "endSec": 3217.57599675, "text": "Right. There's a lot you can do. Yeah.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3217.7759967499996, "endSec": 3235.61199675, "text": "So I want to ask you one last question. This is the question I always ask my guests. So the show is called Love Music More. This segment is called Love Music Why? And it's just a moment to reflect on why do you love music? Why do you love audio? what makes you passionate about staying in this and waking up the next morning and doing it again it's", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3237.96199675, "endSec": 3241.51199675, "text": "Hmm. a hard question i know and it's open-ended you can take that wherever you want to go", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3241.51199675, "endSec": 3254.76199675, "text": "Yeah. I mean, I can go from the top down and say that I love telling stories and I love, you know.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3259.3879967499997, "endSec": 3265.23799675, "text": "I love using a skill set that I have to do something that I feel like is meaningful and adding to the world.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3265.23799675, "endSec": 3271.58799675, "text": "Yes. But from the bottom up, it just feels good, you know. I love that. I love It", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3271.58799675, "endSec": 3299.43999675, "text": "that. feels good to sort of vibrate and it's just a way that I can just like be me in the moment. And like you said, when you hit that flow state, even if I'm scoring a podcast or if I'm working on a deeply personal project that might never see the light of day outside these four walls of my bedroom studio, there's just something about it that feels right and clears all the other smoke away.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3299.43999675, "endSec": 3307.83799675, "text": "And that sort of intuitive sense of alignment with this moment is just a really good feeling to have.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3307.98799675, "endSec": 3310.69, "text": "Love that. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Bryson.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3310.69, "endSec": 3310.99, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3310.99, "endSec": 3311.44, "text": "Where can", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3311.44, "endSec": 3312.08799675, "text": "thanks for having me.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3312.08799675, "endSec": 3313.98799675, "text": "people get in touch? Where can they follow up with you?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3315.6379967499997, "endSec": 3322.08799675, "text": "Let's see, it sounds like Bry on Instagram, so I'll give you that, sounds like Bry, B-R-Y.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3322.33799675, "endSec": 3322.6379967499997, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3322.73799675, "endSec": 3323.74, "text": "I'll link that in the bio too.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3323.74, "endSec": 3325.23799675, "text": "All Awesome. right, thanks. Thank you so much,", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" }, { "startSec": 3325.23799675, "endSec": 3326.19, "text": "Great Bryson. Appreciate chatting with you. you.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3326.19, "endSec": 3327.98799675, "text": "Great chatting. See Take ya. care. See ya.", "speaker": "Bryson Barnes" } ], "correctionsApplied": [] }