{ "schemaVersion": "v1", "slug": "ashlee-chanelle", "title": "Those Foley Steps with Ashlee Chanelle (Epidemic Sound)", "kind": "interview", "listenUrl": "https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lovemusicmore/episodes/Those-Foley-Steps-with-Ashlee-Chanelle-Epidemic-Sound-e3cml89", "publishedAt": "2026-10-14", "source": { "provider": "openai", "model": "gpt-4o-transcribe-diarize", "normalizedSchema": "v1", "transcribedAt": "2026-06-09T18:27:02.509Z" }, "paragraphs": [ { "startSec": 0, "endSec": 7.500000000000001, "text": "It was really cool to be a part of a team that was building something to scale. And now just, you know, I watched the company become a billion dollar company, a unicorn.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 7.7, "endSec": 28.874, "text": "What's good, everybody? Just had a great conversation with Ashlee Chanelle. So excited for you to hear it. She walked me through everything from managing a recording studio to being a recording engineer, producer, and also working at Epidemic Sound, an incredible company that does the soundtrack to a bunch of different brands. fans.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 28.874, "endSec": 47.574, "text": "So it was really like a 360 view at all of the different ways that you could build a career in this industry. And I loved the journey. Like that's one of my favorite things about all of this is everybody in this industry is a hustler. Everybody in this industry is trying to make music the centerpiece of their life and that's such a beautiful thing.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 47.574, "endSec": 53.274, "text": "So I think it was really inspirational kind of look at what it's like to be a business person.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 53.274, "endSec": 80.678, "text": "wear a bunch of different hats and then not leave anything behind because she's producing and mixing and doing everything all at the same time just like i'm trying to do and i think that's where the magic actually lives is kind of having a i don't know a mixture of things just like you're on the mix before we get into the conversation i'd love to introduce my title sponsor distro kid distro kid makes music distribution fun and easy with unlimited uploads and artists get to keep", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 80.756, "endSec": 110.1568633093525, "text": "100% of royalties and earnings, and you can sign up today with 30% off if you go to districtkid.com slash VIP slash love music more. A million plus artists rely on District Kid to get their music onto Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, TikTok, Tidal, Instagram, and all of the major streaming services, and you can check out their mobile app today on iOS and Android app or Play Store. Enjoy the conversation.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 110.1568633093525, "endSec": 124.52799999999999, "text": "What's good everybody? Welcome back to Love Music More. I am Scoobert Doobert, and I am joined by Ashlee Chanelle. Welcome to the show.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 125.172, "endSec": 127.072, "text": "Thank you. Hi, everybody. Great", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 127.072, "endSec": 127.52199999999999, "text": "So I'm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 127.52199999999999, "endSec": 127.972, "text": "to be here.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 127.972, "endSec": 151.37199999999999, "text": "super excited to talk with you about the wild world of music licensing, library work, and kind of, I think this is the space that every musician kind of is like, that's how I can have a steady income or make money or find budget or something like that. Could you just start by telling people a little bit about what you do, what your company does, and maybe how you got into the space?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 152.084, "endSec": 178.034, "text": "Yeah, so basically, I work for a company called Epidemic Sound by day. I'm also an audio engineer, music producer, mix engineer as well. But my nine to five is at Epidemic Sound and I'm a senior enterprise account executive. So essentially what I do is I work with large brands, content agencies, production companies, retailers, anyone you could think of that could use.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 178.034, "endSec": 206.184, "text": "music or sound effects in their audio visual content whether that be paid marketing content a podcast like this one what have you I help facilitate those licensing deals so I have conversations with those folks kind of think about their creative needs how they intend to leverage music and then I put together a nice licensing option for them and yeah we just kind of find an agreement and off they go creating wonderful content using high quality", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 206.292, "endSec": 219.542, "text": "music and sound effects no day is the same it's so exciting that's the one thing I absolutely love about it I get to talk to all types of creatives or even folks that never realized they could leverage music any way shape or form", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 219.542, "endSec": 219.592, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 219.592, "endSec": 238.592, "text": "the way that I got into it it's funny I spent a decade as a studio coordinator or studio manager if you will so I was doing studio management and I was an assistant audio engineer you for many many years and you probably know that life can get very tiring", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 238.592, "endSec": 238.792, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 238.792, "endSec": 239.042, "text": "sometimes", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 239.042, "endSec": 239.192, "text": "yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 239.192, "endSec": 245.692, "text": "it gets a little tricky to pay the bills and you know you want to see if there's sunlight out if", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 245.692, "endSec": 245.792, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 245.792, "endSec": 246.142, "text": "it's snowing", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 246.142, "endSec": 246.342, "text": "yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 246.342, "endSec": 262.142, "text": "so I was yeah I was getting a bit older needing a change and I found this wonderful Swedish company called Epidemic Sound I found the company back in 2017 so I've been with the company for about eight years now and it's just been so wild to see the growth", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 262.644, "endSec": 273.422, "text": "That's so cool. And I also think that this is a conversation that's under... I don't know under said underspoken about the ways that musicians make ends meet is such", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 273.422, "endSec": 273.572, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 273.572, "endSec": 293.922, "text": "a patchwork and there's no shame in that including like a normal job like you know I've done normal jobs and that's like part of it and there's there's all of these other things that you can do beyond the typical routes like barista waiter and again no no shame in that whatsoever but like finding the entire ecosystem of music licensing sales", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 294.516, "endSec": 302.166, "text": "a studio work i think that's that's part of the conversation especially like a mix engineer artist you just kind of leave that part out yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 302.166, "endSec": 324.228, "text": "Yeah, I mean, and it's really interesting because essentially what I do is sales, right? And a lot of that is just knowing how to talk to people, just being a human, not really trying to sell anything. And the way that I was able to feel kind of confident in just getting into this licensing space because I don't come from music business. I had to learn this. come from audio school you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 324.228, "endSec": 324.528, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 324.528, "endSec": 351.37800000000004, "text": "know just talking to people from the studio just learning how to take a step back just listen to what the artist actually wants what they're going for learning to speak their language whatever that might be because as we know when you're mixing some people communicate in very odd terms so just kind of like bringing that home and and just talking to folks as humans that's step one and that's helped me a lot in this space and having that creative background of course helps when I'm talking to a video editor", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 351.444, "endSec": 373.844, "text": "year and they want to know like hey can I pull the stems from your catalog and and use them in this fashion in my doll and being able to speak that language they get really excited about that because not everybody can do that of course but that makes it really really fun for me as well like I'm on the business side of things but just knowing what the end result is going to be and also kind of having that creative background myself it's super cool", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 374.094, "endSec": 379.50800000000004, "text": "That is really cool. How have you found and I do want to talk about your. your assistant engineering days too because", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 379.50800000000004, "endSec": 379.558, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 379.558, "endSec": 394.658, "text": "those are always crazy stories but how have you found just kind of like integrating into a creative business was that interesting or like cultural fit like figuring out how to do the you know the corporate stuff but within like a creative world", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 396.084, "endSec": 410.934, "text": "Honestly, it was a super easy fit for me. I started at the company where very much a startup. So, I mean, we've been around, founded in 2008, 2009 in Stockholm, Sweden. So in the Nordics, epidemic sound is the household name.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 410.984, "endSec": 411.484, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 411.484, "endSec": 413.084, "text": "Somebody's been around for quite a while.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 413.084, "endSec": 413.484, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 413.484, "endSec": 434.39, "text": "I just told you I've been working for the company, the US arm for eight years. So it's quite a while, but, you know, still definitely building the. the presence and the brand awareness here. I think just fitting in early when we were still very much a startup and growing made it so much more fascinating, so much more interesting. It was really cool to be a part of a team that was building something to scale.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 434.39, "endSec": 449.79, "text": "And now just, you know, I watched the company become a billion dollar company, a unicorn, all this awesome press come out, seeing the wonderful artists that we're ingesting into the catalog, being able to travel, being able to help end users and content creators have access.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 449.79, "endSec": 476.376, "text": "best to the catalog um getting in early and just kind of being there for the journey made it pretty seamless for me honestly and again having that love of music and that that musical background um it's just been a fun ride and something that I've just been so passionate about but at the same time super interesting because like I said like if you would have told me 10 years ago that I'd be working in music licensing I would have laughed at you like I never picked up my music business book what do you mean", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 478.484, "endSec": 478.484, "text": "Total", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 478.484, "endSec": 478.88399999999996, "text": "a freak", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 478.88399999999996, "endSec": 479.13399999999996, "text": "I yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 479.13399999999996, "endSec": 481.38399999999996, "text": "I have now I've done the research yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 481.38399999999996, "endSec": 497.38399999999996, "text": "Yes. I finding something interesting because I've had a few guests that have talked about a very similar journey where they came in at the ground level startup. And I think that musicians have the guts for startups. Like, like, because it's brutal, and it's risky, but it's like it's nothing compared to music.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 497.93399999999997, "endSec": 513.04, "text": "that's very true maybe that was something like subconsciously I wasn't thinking about but yeah and like the the wonderful team that I worked with then along the way new art books now it's just that common thread of even if you're not a musician just having like a love of music or", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 513.04, "endSec": 513.19, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 513.19, "endSec": 521.04, "text": "creativity or an interest in the intersection of you know content creation and business and music it goes a long way", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 521.716, "endSec": 522.366, "text": "I agree. And", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 522.366, "endSec": 522.666, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 522.666, "endSec": 540.766, "text": "it's great, too, about what you're doing for all of the musicians in that catalog and finding ways to actually, you know, generate income and place it and have people hear it. And I also think that a super underappreciated side of all of music is sound design, sound effects and how.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 541.748, "endSec": 548.648, "text": "integral all that is to like user interfaces and notifications like we are constantly bombarded by these little tiny auditory", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 548.648, "endSec": 549.048, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 549.048, "endSec": 562.998, "text": "artifacts and somebody really had to think about like the emotional response to like the sequence of frequencies that they're putting together and i i don't know i feel like those things can just fly by us and you don't even like soak it in", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 563.444, "endSec": 568.644, "text": "Totally. No, it's super cool. I mean, what I'm doing day to day, we're mostly focused on the music.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 568.694, "endSec": 569.294, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 569.444, "endSec": 584.2439999999999, "text": "We also have a catalog of sound effects. My company recently acquired another company called Soundly. Not sure if you're familiar, but they were the folks that created all the wonderful Hollywood grade sound effects that you know and love. It's probably the Soundly guys.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 584.2439999999999, "endSec": 584.5939999999999, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 584.5939999999999, "endSec": 596.226, "text": "And we have just a wide array of sound effects and how they design and the sound effects. effects and how they record them and like Foley and all that stuff all that stuff that really intrigued me in my like very minimal post-production days", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 596.226, "endSec": 596.276, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 596.276, "endSec": 596.826, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 596.826, "endSec": 596.976, "text": "totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 596.976, "endSec": 622.924, "text": "wild to see it come to life like having them kind of take those assets and then put them in a catalog that people can use in their content but knowing where that came from it's just it's super cool but it takes a totally different side of the brain creativity all of that but yeah folks do miss it I think we we really miss even musicians miss how integral music and sound design is into your like life experience yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 622.924, "endSec": 633.024, "text": "so true it's so true every little thing and it's such an interesting skill too because i don't think i have it of like you say the post-production but like that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 634.1, "endSec": 640.9, "text": "I have a foresight for, yeah, I want to make this snare drum sound like that and like, okay, I can think of the steps, right?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 641.15, "endSec": 641.2, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 641.2, "endSec": 655.6, "text": "But it's super hard to think of like, okay, I want to make like a, like, I don't know, pause synth and do my best. But some people are able to think through that, those Foley steps in such an incredible like workflow and way of thinking, a lot of respect.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 656.116, "endSec": 659.966, "text": "Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. I can't take any credit for that stuff.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 660.216, "endSec": 673.1659999999999, "text": "No, but you're part of it. You're part of it. And that's one of the things I think is cool about organizations is you can be part of this thing that's like this organism itself that empowers every other part. That's really cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 673.1659999999999, "endSec": 675.766, "text": "Yeah, for sure. It is super cool. Super cool.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 675.816, "endSec": 679.9159999999999, "text": "So I want to talk about your mixing journey and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 679.9159999999999, "endSec": 680.066, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 680.066, "endSec": 685.4200000000001, "text": "I want to zoom in on that assistant engineer studio manager day. days i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 685.4200000000001, "endSec": 685.47, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 685.47, "endSec": 702.82, "text": "know that's another job that a lot of people look at um you know they're in audio school and they go okay like i just gotta i gotta pay my dues gotta find somebody to apprentice under or be an assistant for how did you like find that opportunity what was it like and uh that was that sounds like a long tenure too yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 702.82, "endSec": 727.488, "text": "it was a long time. Um, yeah, so I went to the Institute of Audio Research, which is one of the oldest audio schools. in the world for audio engineering and production. It's no longer around, unfortunately. It's closed its doors. And that's a quick program. And I was very young, moved to New York, promised my parents like, I'm going to make it. I'm going to do this thing as we all do.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 727.488, "endSec": 733.87, "text": "And I was presented with a few different internship opportunities as we all. or and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 733.87, "endSec": 734.37, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 734.37, "endSec": 749.7700000000001, "text": "it was really like a turning point for me I had a post-production opportunity and I was like love film so I was really interested in that but then I had this recording studio that I reached out to in Midtown and they got back to me so now I was just like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 750.42, "endSec": 777.0699999999999, "text": "had a way these options one was a very notable post-production house we'll call it that and the other was a recording studio that's been around for quite some time you know worked with a lot of the largest hip-hop acts especially back in the 80s and 90s and I really had to make a decision like do I want to go into this film world or do I want to be where my heart and soul is which is around you know studio musicians and yeah I just went for it replied to the email and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 776.98, "endSec": 803.13, "text": "and said hey I'm really interested in this opportunity went on that internship interview and essentially got it immediately I was just so thrilled but also like they wanted people that were just eager like okay are you eager do you want to do this will you do anything if you will okay yeah it was rough for a while these people are near like they're dear to me they're a second family at this point but it was it was rough it was um you know a lot of", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 803.156, "endSec": 806.8059999999999, "text": "of like running errands getting things for being a runner essentially like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 806.8059999999999, "endSec": 807.106, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 807.106, "endSec": 829.256, "text": "old school setting up sessions staying late sleeping there a lot waking up early setting up sessions I was booking the session so I had to know how to understand the sales of it all like really needed to be trusted to run the entire business is what the studio owner wanted she wanted it so I could go in set up all of the rooms", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 832.84854875, "endSec": 833.39854875, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 833.39854875, "endSec": 851.55854875, "text": "was her goal but you know you don't see that when you're coming up you just see like oh my god gosh why are they on me about every little thing why can't I just get this right why isn't the patch bay working but that's what it takes I did that as a unpaid intern for a while that was the norm back then", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 852.31454875, "endSec": 878.71454875, "text": "and then started doing like smaller sessions paid projects built up that trust with the team and then they finally brought me on to the staff full-time and then eventually I want to say like another year or two just worked my way up to like one of the key staff members and yeah I did that for give it eight years close to 10 years close to a decade yeah and yeah I got to do some really great things along that time there was an artist out of that studio it's not a label but", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 878.81054875, "endSec": 880.36054875, "text": "you want me to call it like a production hub or", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 880.36054875, "endSec": 880.41054875, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 880.41054875, "endSec": 880.91054875, "text": "something she", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 880.91054875, "endSec": 881.66054875, "text": "Yeah. Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 881.66054875, "endSec": 890.56054875, "text": "was working out of there I became an assistant never assisted an artist before I got to learn that world running running shows booking shows things like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 890.56054875, "endSec": 890.76054875, "text": "that Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 890.76054875, "endSec": 894.56054875, "text": "just it's a lot of it is just being around which", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 894.56054875, "endSec": 894.91054875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 894.91054875, "endSec": 916.48854875, "text": "is like all the people that we know and look up to it was just being around There was no book for this, you know. That's really it. I just was around a lot and made it known that I wanted to be involved in anything or I just want to watch. It's like the biggest word of advice they give to you as an up and coming engineer is just sit there and watch and observe and absorb it all.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 916.48854875, "endSec": 937.68254875, "text": "And then one day when you have the opportunity, you can slide the chair up and know what's going on. Yeah. And then, you know, fast forward, I've done things like gone back to school at Berkeley. I've mentored under a wonderful engineer named Rachel Alina. And one of the guests you actually had on the show, Hendrick Valera,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 937.68254875, "endSec": 952.35854875, "text": "Uh friend -huh. of mine, we've been mentoring under her as Oh, well. nice. So yeah, small world. But yeah, that's been wonderful as well. And we did most of our mentorship kind of virtually. So it's just to kind of show you how the world is. in the studio world changed as well so", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 952.35854875, "endSec": 952.85854875, "text": "Oh, yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 952.85854875, "endSec": 961.75854875, "text": "it was all about being in the physical space just how I came up and then eventually you know garnered enough skills where you can do things like this virtually and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 961.75854875, "endSec": 961.9085487499999, "text": "Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 961.9085487499999, "endSec": 963.85854875, "text": "learn from one another yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 963.85854875, "endSec": 967.50854875, "text": "Totally. I'm mixing like two and a half records right now entirely virtual.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 967.50854875, "endSec": 968.75854875, "text": "exactly yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 968.75854875, "endSec": 980.94454875, "text": "It's bizarre, but it's fun. It's its own thing. I do sometimes worry though about What it looks like coming up, because there is this tactile or like osmotic experience", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 980.94454875, "endSec": 981.04454875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 981.04454875, "endSec": 983.2445487499999, "text": "of just kind of like being in the soup.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 983.86654875, "endSec": 984.76654875, "text": "Yeah, I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 984.76654875, "endSec": 985.31654875, "text": "that i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 985.31654875, "endSec": 985.41654875, "text": "agree.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 985.41654875, "endSec": 1009.41654875, "text": "can't get it from like a youtube video like i can learn some stuff but there's a there's a different level of like watching a really good engineer react to a change in a sound or a problem like the way that like watching someone troubleshoot is like so uh like you get inside their head you see like okay how do i isolate a problem how do i work backwards like check every node like the patch bay thing that you're talking about oh my god patch base", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1009.64454875, "endSec": 1009.69454875, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1009.69454875, "endSec": 1010.2445487499999, "text": "No, they're", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1010.2445487499999, "endSec": 1010.4945487499999, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1010.4945487499999, "endSec": 1011.19454875, "text": "just made to break.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1011.19454875, "endSec": 1028.24454875, "text": "really true. I was chatting with somebody about this because I think that's part that we love about being in the actual studio. Sometimes it's just feeding off of the energy. Sometimes you just sit there and listen and it's just feeding off the energy of another human. I think you can still do that virtually, but you get it in a different way.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1028.24454875, "endSec": 1038.12254875, "text": "So I would say, yeah, like watching a YouTube video or a live stream is one thing, but maybe what's even better is when you're your. part of like a live zoom like this as well", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1038.12254875, "endSec": 1038.67254875, "text": "i Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1038.67254875, "endSec": 1054.6785487500001, "text": "mean using something like audio mover so you can hear it in time with that other engineer i think that's the next best thing but yeah i do i will say there's that there's a little piece missing that you get from being in the physical studio but it's wild how much you can do virtually", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1054.6785487500001, "endSec": 1055.22854875, "text": "Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1055.22854875, "endSec": 1056.02854875, "text": "now I mean", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1056.02854875, "endSec": 1072.32854875, "text": "There are some things that are probably better virtually like audio movers is a great example of like, I was never so bold to be like right up on the shoulder of the engineer and like watching the exact changes that they're making to the plugin. But with like screen sharing and audio movers, like you're seeing to the 10th of a degree.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1072.32854875, "endSec": 1093.21454875, "text": "yeah totally those parts are really cool there's like the view as well but something about just just being in the room, even though sometimes like you can't interrupt the flow. So you're not always asking questions, but just watching is super interesting, but it's, it's intriguing. I'm curious to see like. How this world is going to change even more with like all the AI stuff and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1093.21454875, "endSec": 1093.61454875, "text": "Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1093.61454875, "endSec": 1104.91454875, "text": "audio movers and all of that. But, you know, all my recent productions and collaborations that I've put out have all been virtual. I've had access to wonderful artists that I would have never met before.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1104.91454875, "endSec": 1105.11454875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1105.11454875, "endSec": 1110.61454875, "text": "So that's great. Yeah, like yourself, I'm working on a mixtape and just working on that before this.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1110.61454875, "endSec": 1111.01454875, "text": "Sweet.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1112.25054875, "endSec": 1115.45054875, "text": "It's with one of my best friends and she does not live far from me,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1115.45054875, "endSec": 1115.9005487499999, "text": "oh yeah yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1115.9005487499999, "endSec": 1119.1005487500001, "text": "but yeah we're just kind of, you know, we're just doing it virtually.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1119.1005487500001, "endSec": 1138.6505487499999, "text": "totally and then you can do it whenever you have time you know that's that's part of the beauty too is and then that makes it cheaper for everybody too because like if somebody's like hey i need two weeks of your time right now it's like who okay that's expensive but it's like can you do this over the course of the next like six weeks nights and weekends or whenever you kind of have", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1138.61854875, "endSec": 1141.01854875, "text": "have a free time it's like okay yeah i can fit that in um", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1141.01854875, "endSec": 1143.26854875, "text": "That is, that is a bonus total.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1143.26854875, "endSec": 1143.76854875, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1143.76854875, "endSec": 1161.26854875, "text": "And I will say just going back to like the job piece, when I was in the recording studio, like day in, day out, I would get home and I'd be so drained. I never really wanted to work on my own music by that point. Having this nice balance where you don't have to worry about the day to day.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1162.71454875, "endSec": 1165.16454875, "text": "you know, I'm just kind of fulfilling that part of my life in a different way through", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1165.16454875, "endSec": 1165.56454875, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1165.56454875, "endSec": 1190.16454875, "text": "epidemic and doing more of like a business job that has unlocked the creative part of my brain and life where when I get home, I feel energized. And now I'm running everything out of my home studio because, you know, life has gotten better. I've been, was able to get the setup that I've always kind of dreamed of. And that's all a result of kind of like making those changes and lifestyle shifts.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1190.16454875, "endSec": 1198.00654875, "text": "which it's just worked for me, you know, to each their own, but I will say that that has really impacted me for the better.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1198.10654875, "endSec": 1216.30654875, "text": "I agree. I, uh, one of my mentors, she always says the longer the way up, the longer the way down. Um, just to, just to try and highlight, like be a lifer, find your way that you're interacting and making music throughout your entire life and figure out a way to preserve that and not like burn too bright and too fast and then go out.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1216.65654875, "endSec": 1226.07654875, "text": "Yeah, totally. Yeah. Totally. But yeah, that's just some of the ways that the I don't know, I got into it and how I've kind of like adapted over time with", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1226.07654875, "endSec": 1226.22654875, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1226.22654875, "endSec": 1226.47654875, "text": "the", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1226.47654875, "endSec": 1226.62654875, "text": "hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1226.62654875, "endSec": 1230.02654875, "text": "way it's all changed. Also being a millennial, I think we were bred", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1230.02654875, "endSec": 1230.52654875, "text": "Mm hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1230.52654875, "endSec": 1231.62654875, "text": "for that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1231.62654875, "endSec": 1231.67654875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1231.67654875, "endSec": 1242.62654875, "text": "Like we, you know, I remember what it's like to play outside and then the internet, like the internet was fun, but I still want to go outside. So it's nice to maintain that sort of like hybrid perspective.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1242.62654875, "endSec": 1254.84654875, "text": "Yes, I agree. I actually so my my hot take about millennials is that we are going to be. be the last generation that's going to be really good at troubleshooting because we came up with like bad technology and buggy technology", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1255.34654875, "endSec": 1255.84654875, "text": "Yes!", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1256.89654875, "endSec": 1268.21854875, "text": "i'm just saying i like eventually you're going to be going to grandpa and not being like grandpa this is how you use technology it's like grandpa my app broke i don't know what i'm doing this never happened to me before totally", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1268.21854875, "endSec": 1271.11854875, "text": "Totally. I mean, we were MySpace coding.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1271.81854875, "endSec": 1277.06854875, "text": "100 i was blowing in uh n64 control uh cartridges to get them to work you know you", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1277.06854875, "endSec": 1278.36854875, "text": "Weren't supposed to do that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1278.36854875, "endSec": 1285.29654875, "text": "weren't you weren't but they worked so like i feel that way in uh in recording very often Not supposed", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1285.29654875, "endSec": 1285.69654875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1285.69654875, "endSec": 1290.19654875, "text": "to do that. That might cut the life of that tool. It's like I'm not doing it anyway", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1290.97054875, "endSec": 1295.62054875, "text": "Yeah, totally. I mean, that was always an interesting thing for me too.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1295.62054875, "endSec": 1295.77054875, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1295.77054875, "endSec": 1296.07054875, "text": "I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1296.07054875, "endSec": 1296.22054875, "text": "hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1296.22054875, "endSec": 1301.07054875, "text": "was doing audio engineering type things before I ever knew what that was.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1301.07054875, "endSec": 1301.1705487499999, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1301.1705487499999, "endSec": 1301.9205487499999, "text": "I was very young and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1301.9205487499999, "endSec": 1302.27054875, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1302.27054875, "endSec": 1316.9909661954828, "text": "I realized that could be a job and this is the way that I'm going to convince my parents to let me go to school for it. Learning how signal flow worked or I was talking about a patch bay earlier, just learning that in school, that doesn't really exist too much anymore.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1316.9909661954828, "endSec": 1335.38654875, "text": "Everything's in the box and I'm all in the box too, but like just knowing how signal flows is just so fundamentally important to audio and music production a lot of times. Having that is great. I'll be curious to see like later generations and what this all looks like for them.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1335.93654875, "endSec": 1337.23654875, "text": "I agree. And I also,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1337.23654875, "endSec": 1337.48654875, "text": "Zeros", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1337.48654875, "endSec": 1337.88654875, "text": "yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1337.88654875, "endSec": 1338.98654875, "text": "and ones and things.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1339.5365487499998, "endSec": 1344.1585487500001, "text": "but even the plugins that are like emulating. like", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1344.1585487500001, "endSec": 1344.55854875, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1344.55854875, "endSec": 1361.9585487499999, "text": "analog gear it does they do have emulations of those like loudness curves and gain staging and things like that so understanding the way that they would work if you were just using as knobs gives you an edge when you go into the box versus just treating it like a you know series of drop down presets or something like that", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1362.39454875, "endSec": 1374.19454875, "text": "totally and wrapping my head around that too like I've been privileged enough to hear some of these wonderful pieces of hardware not all the time I don't have all of them in my in", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1374.19454875, "endSec": 1374.44454875, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1374.44454875, "endSec": 1374.74454875, "text": "my home", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1374.74454875, "endSec": 1374.89454875, "text": "uh", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1374.89454875, "endSec": 1396.22054875, "text": "studio I have the plug-in version so-huh. a lot of it is just like oh that's not a good review and my mentor loves it and swears by it but like do we ever really get to hear the real thing and is that even a sound like that one in that studio because these are you you know hardware components everything's a little different Oh, I think that's what makes it so fun and so fascinating also.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1396.3705487500001, "endSec": 1397.1205487500001, "text": "i agree i", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1397.1205487500001, "endSec": 1397.52054875, "text": "It's that", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1397.52054875, "endSec": 1410.22054875, "text": "hope like, that that's that's something we can get with ai or whatever is like more detail like like let me toggle through 10 different 1176s like i guess i already do that but the same model different whatever yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1410.22054875, "endSec": 1413.57054875, "text": "Yeah, yeah. I guess that is the way you do it now,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1413.57054875, "endSec": 1413.6705487499999, "text": "yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1413.6705487499999, "endSec": 1416.4205487499999, "text": "right? Same little different plugin manufacturing makes", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1416.4205487499999, "endSec": 1416.6205487500001, "text": "exactly", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1416.6205487500001, "endSec": 1435.98854875, "text": "the best. But yeah, no, that's all been super fascinating as well. Even Even in a sync licensing space, you know, like I'm watching that world change and be adapted. We roll out a lot of tools at Epidemic to make content creation and workflow more streamlined and to allow people to stop searching for music and spending hours doing that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1435.98854875, "endSec": 1454.7068323320893, "text": "Let's help you find exactly what you need so you can stay creative and we don't, you know, interrupt the flow. That's super fun. But like when I was getting into music and even some of the post-production, it was very manual. Music tracks, sound effects were delivered very manually. You're creating something yourself, which people still do that, just a very manual process.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1454.7068323320893, "endSec": 1474.10454875, "text": "And even the way that you, the software you were using at the time, you know, it was Adobe Premiere, but there's so many others now. Seeing how folks are editing and using different AI powered tools and things with my company, other companies to streamline that workflow is super fascinating. But that world alone has changed, you know.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1474.10454875, "endSec": 1476.85454875, "text": "Big time and the changes just have just begun", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1477.4985487499998, "endSec": 1496.34854875, "text": "yeah totally it's it's just gonna get faster and yeah yeah i don't know i think that finding the excitement in it is super important to stay relevant with the tools because it's really easy to go down like the darker paths or like think creativity is going to get eliminated but the more i use these tools the less i'm convinced of that of", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1496.34854875, "endSec": 1521.55254875, "text": "yeah i agree i mean i think like just looking at because i was like super super terrified as well i of a lot of it and some of it not engaging with that i don't like it to each their own but i think for a lot of music creators if we can look at them as tools that's where you win they're not replacements for your ears you know it's just a tool and the ai doesn't always get it right so", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1521.55254875, "endSec": 1528.3425487499999, "text": "No. as long as we remember that and we trust ourselves and our ears i think that That's all you can do,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1528.3425487499999, "endSec": 1546.0925487499999, "text": "Yeah, really. viewing them as tools, not replacements and trying to make them such, I think is very important. But it is scary. I mean, like I told my parents, hey, you know, I've got several thousand hours of me talking into a microphone in high quality. It would be very easy for you to get a phone call that sounds like me.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1547.32254875, "endSec": 1558.47254875, "text": "This is true. This is true. So, Yeah. you know, it's the world. Same thing with, you know, video podcasts. Maybe if I change my colored lights enough, it'll confuse the AI.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1558.5225487500002, "endSec": 1564.2725487500002, "text": "Yeah. It's scary. I mean, you have to second guess everything that's happening now.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1564.2725487500002, "endSec": 1589.23654875, "text": "Yeah, and that's too bad. Yeah, it is too bad. Well, something actually was happening in my neighborhood here in Brooklyn and I got word of it. through social media and then I started reading the comments and there were a lot of comments like nope that's AI that's AI and I'm like it wasn't AI this actually happened in my neighborhood it was a like some flooding and no no that wasn't this is real this is a real thing but", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1589.23654875, "endSec": 1589.73654875, "text": "Was that the", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1589.73654875, "endSec": 1589.7865487499998, "text": "it's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1589.7865487499998, "endSec": 1589.93654875, "text": "video", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1589.93654875, "endSec": 1590.0365487499998, "text": "like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1590.0365487499998, "endSec": 1590.68654875, "text": "in the subway?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1592.09054875, "endSec": 1616.10054875, "text": "um It might not have been a probably different day. but Okay. probably the same same flooding a couple weeks ago but no my block was underwater I was just sitting there and I got home at a time where like there were no remnants of that but I was just like oh no somebody just created this AI video of my neighborhood no they they didn't but like you know how convinced people were in the comments so It's interesting.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1616.7505487499998, "endSec": 1642.05054875, "text": "It is. It really is. I'm following some of these accounts that try to tell if something is AI and they try to vindicate some of these people because it looks like it's AI, but it's not actually AI. It's a funny blurred line and we're at the front of it with music because music's even easier to do than audio and especially your company. I mean, I'm curious, how has your leadership talked about that or thought about?", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1642.05054875, "endSec": 1658.82854875, "text": "About that, given like I've seen a lot of AI licensing companies for music licensing popping up because they're seeing that as like an area to disrupt. How's your leadership viewed it, pulled it in, built new tools, kept it away? What's that like?", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1659.3850975, "endSec": 1670.3850975, "text": "Yeah, so I mean, we have a lot, there's a lot out there in the news and press releases and interviews that my company, the leadership team or CEO has done. I think that's that's read and heard in his own words.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1670.3850975, "endSec": 1670.4350975, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1670.4350975, "endSec": 1686.2290975, "text": "I think he speaks good. We have never wanted to remove the human element. You know, these are real musicians that that are creating the high quality music tracks that you hear. Many of these musicians like I've learned to know very well and we become friends. become friends and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1686.2290975, "endSec": 1686.3290975, "text": "Oh,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1686.3290975, "endSec": 1689.1790975, "text": "so like when I'm telling you like these are real people like I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1689.1790975, "endSec": 1689.3290975, "text": "yeah,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1689.3290975, "endSec": 1690.8790975, "text": "I love these people", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1690.8790975, "endSec": 1690.9290975, "text": "no.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1690.9290975, "endSec": 1715.7790975, "text": "so these are real musicians and obviously I just want to continue to see them empowered and I think the company does as well so we we do have tools that are AI powered one of our features is voices where we we work with real voiceover artists but essentially you can type in some text and prompt it and it will spit out like a voiceover using one of those real voiceover actors voices um", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1715.7790975, "endSec": 1716.3290975, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1716.3290975, "endSec": 1733.2290975, "text": "so done things like that and they they opt in to this they get compensated very generously which is lovely and um some of the the music focused tools we have something um you can read about this it's called adapt where the artists opt into this but essentially you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1733.2410975, "endSec": 1744.2410975, "text": "how you can take a track that's in our catalog and maybe maybe it's like an EDM or more of like a like a house dancey track and for whatever reason you want it to sound a bit more orchestral or you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1744.2410975, "endSec": 1744.5910975, "text": "Mm", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1744.5910975, "endSec": 1744.6910975, "text": "just", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1744.6910975, "endSec": 1744.9910975, "text": "-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1744.9910975, "endSec": 1746.5410975, "text": "want to rearrange parts you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1746.5410975, "endSec": 1746.8910975, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1746.8910975, "endSec": 1758.5610975, "text": "can use ai essentially to adapt the track a bit so we can add we can write in there say like hey i want this to be a bit more orchestral i want some strings um", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1758.5610975, "endSec": 1758.9610975, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1758.9610975, "endSec": 1769.9110974999999, "text": "and it will do that but you're not replacing the artist who created that original track and you know that the artist opted in for you to do this", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1769.9110974999999, "endSec": 1770.0110975, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1770.0110975, "endSec": 1772.4610975, "text": "so they want to they they want to hear it too um", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1772.4610975, "endSec": 1772.8610975, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1772.8610975, "endSec": 1778.8350974999998, "text": "which is great but yeah it's not um It's not AI generated music,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1778.8350974999998, "endSec": 1779.4350975, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1779.4350975, "endSec": 1789.4850975, "text": "just like an AI powered tool to adapt the music or to adapt like a voiceover that you might want to roll out or something for an ad.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1789.6850975, "endSec": 1803.0850974999998, "text": "Sorry to interrupt this very important broadcast. What I'm asking for is for you to rate it five stars, share it with your friends. This is like the most important thing for this podcast to grow. So if you want to do this, you go into the podcast screen, right? You click on the dot dot dot on Spotify.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1803.0850974999998, "endSec": 1831.7630975, "text": "under there it says rate show and you go and you click it five stars if you could do that for me that's the best way for the algorithms all this stuff to share it out with the world i know that it's a lot to ask but if you could please please please just please just hit those three dots and a five star would really help us out and helps us you know get the get the word out and spread the love of music so thank you if you're listening on youtube you know what to do like subscribe all that good stuff thank you so much and here's the rest of the episode like one of the one of the best use cases that i've seen for ai is", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1831.7690975, "endSec": 1836.2190974999999, "text": "is you can add frames at the beginning or the end of a video file so", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1836.2190974999999, "endSec": 1836.8190975, "text": "Mm-hmm", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1836.8190975, "endSec": 1841.2950974999999, "text": "like say your videographer like didn't get something or they shake it or the battery died and", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1841.2950974999999, "endSec": 1841.3450975, "text": "Yeah,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1841.3450975, "endSec": 1845.2450975, "text": "i can fill in a little bit of the blank so that you can have like a nice crossfade", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1845.2450975, "endSec": 1846.0950975, "text": "that's cool.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1846.0950975, "endSec": 1864.7950974999999, "text": "yeah it's cool but it was like one of those like hey you didn't generate the whole video it just kind of took what somebody was doing in the same way that like melodyn or autotune can be used to like make it so the vocalist doesn't have to do 100 takes they can do 20 and we can like balance out a few rough notes in the best as best possible use cases like that i in my", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1864.7290975, "endSec": 1892.0290975, "text": "In my opinion. yeah totally and for me the thing that i've compared it to in my day-to-day my creative life is i took one of my favorite uh epidemic artist tracks and i try to make it more orchestral and i didn't do a good job of that and that's fine um it's like when i throw like a um you ever use ozone you can run it through the the ai whatever it does and it listen to your track and it'll say oh the e you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1891.8010975, "endSec": 1893.2010975, "text": "the q curve should be like this", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1893.2010975, "endSec": 1893.3010975, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1893.3010975, "endSec": 1898.8510975, "text": "okay that's up to your ears Yep. because it might be right but it's probably not exactly right", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1898.8510975, "endSec": 1899.1010975, "text": "Totally.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 1899.1010975, "endSec": 1906.7890975, "text": "and then you make those adjustments so I would compare it to something like that at least for me I guess Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1906.7890975, "endSec": 1926.9390975, "text": "Totally. And I like that. I like that idea too. It was funny for a while. I was like, why couldn't AI take away some of the like mundane stuff that I do? Like, you know, I guess vocal tuning would be a good example. But the more that I've been thinking about it, the more that I'm like, no, actually, I need to be the one making these decisions. These are really important decisions. They're just annoying decisions.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1927.8010975, "endSec": 1937.0510975, "text": "Totally. The other day I was clip gaining breaths up Yes. and down. Yes. And there's like a lot of ways that you can do that in a very streamlined fashion.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1937.0510975, "endSec": 1945.9510974999998, "text": "Definitely. I like doing that. Yep. It's very therapeutic to me Yep. to like go through and make it sound natural and like, no, maybe that breath is cool there.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1945.9510974999998, "endSec": 1951.6030974999999, "text": "Agreed. You know, like a plug-in is not going to get it exactly right. No. Nope.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1951.6030974999999, "endSec": 1960.7530975, "text": "So. And breaths are a perfect thing because it's like the album that I'm working on, the artists breathe a lot. They just breathe really heavy.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1961.5530975, "endSec": 1966.8530974999999, "text": "It's like super close to the microphone. And so I have to decide what breaths do I clip out?", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1967.6410975, "endSec": 1979.3910975, "text": "Yeah. what breath do i leave in how loud should they be is this musical is this and is this breath in time like should i nudge it a little bit just like to create that pocket like michael jackson is like the best breaths", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1980.2410975, "endSec": 1986.8910975, "text": "Yeah, totally. No, it's exactly that. And I've actually done the whole like, oh, that breath is far too loud.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1986.8910975, "endSec": 1990.7910975, "text": "yes It shouldn't be there. Let's cut it entirely. And the artist is like, what did you do with my breath?", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1990.7910975, "endSec": 1996.9290975, "text": "yes i know i know totally Yeah, and a plugin would never know that oh or yeah yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 1996.9290975, "endSec": 2008.6290975, "text": "an AI powered plugin would never get to talk to that artist and say, yeah oh, they want that breath there. That was very intentional. That was to add a bit of emotion. So yeah, this is something that's just never going to be able to do.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2008.6290975, "endSec": 2022.3290975, "text": "totally and that's that's a good thing and i also think it's like part of it's up to us to not cede too much control out of convenience like there's a line and it's it's good to add more convenience and i i really do like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2022.1690975, "endSec": 2030.5690975, "text": "I do like using these tools. I use them all the time. I always have to like keep my brain on because it's so easy for them to BS you or to lead you down a path that you really didn't want to go down.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2030.9690974999999, "endSec": 2039.3190975, "text": "Yeah, And you almost have to be more vigilant and more locked into the details because the details that these things do can be really fuzzy,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2039.3690975, "endSec": 2047.3610975, "text": "yeah. which is sort of unfortunate. Like it's like I thought I'd be able to relax and kick back and be on a beach and have my AI robots like do all my work. I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2047.3610975, "endSec": 2051.7110975, "text": "you don't think so. know it's like no i spend more time like telling the robots what to do", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2051.7110975, "endSec": 2060.8110975, "text": "Exactly. Oh no, now I'm a boss to like 40 robots. managing robots now i don't understand now i need a robot to manage my robots yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2060.8110975, "endSec": 2068.2610975, "text": "Exactly. I need a personal robot assistant to help me manage all my robots and then it's robots all the way down. Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2068.2610975, "endSec": 2073.8110975, "text": "no but you're absolutely right i mean it was it happens without ai like Yeah, right.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2073.8110975, "endSec": 2086.8650975, "text": "i mean i swear by there by this plugin you've got to use Yes. it turn on everything it'll sound great and you're like this is making everything sound awful that's like if the thing is not used in the way it's intended to be used none of that matters", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2087.3150975, "endSec": 2107.0690974999998, "text": "Totally. And some things like might sound so one that I've been really torn on, I don't really like God Particle. A lot of people love God Particle. I don't like it. I don't know what it does to my stuff or the way that I workflow into it just doesn't work for me. And all of my friends are like, what are you doing? You don't put God Particle on everything. go on every single master is like no it just i", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2107.0690974999998, "endSec": 2113.1690975, "text": "Yeah. don't know just not for me yeah I've tested it out. I love Jason Joshua. of course yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2113.1690975, "endSec": 2119.8190974999998, "text": "It's not part of my workflow personally. okay i feel like it's part of like so many people's workflows yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2119.8190974999998, "endSec": 2125.2690975, "text": "Yeah. And well, also a lot of my friends, like when it came out and they just love Jason Joshua, they're", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2125.2690975, "endSec": 2135.6890975, "text": "yeah yeah like, oh, yeah that's my workflow now. And I'm like, cool, but I tried that too. It's not working for me. um i just i think i have to spend sit down for a few hours and spend a lot of time with it or like go", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2135.6890975, "endSec": 2154.9890975, "text": "i'm there sure i'm sure yeah or find somebody yeah yeah it's just i don't know it not everything has to be for everybody and assigning like in the same way that you could go i've seen this i did some of this too where you go in the plug plug in and you go to the presets and you go and you find your favorite bass engineer in the presets you go that one", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2156.0250975, "endSec": 2166.6250975, "text": "Yeah, see yeah totally yeah what they were doing, exactly but yeah, like if you never make any adjustments, that's not going to sound right.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2166.7750975, "endSec": 2183.4750974999997, "text": "no and it's so funny it's funny too it's like a haircut like i i've had some bad haircuts and it's usually been because i was trying to do a haircut that doesn't match my face um and sometimes you know the song does not match the preset", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2183.8250975, "endSec": 2192.8370975, "text": "There you go. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's funny just thinking back to like not using the latest and greatest things or anything around AI.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2192.9870975, "endSec": 2208.7010975, "text": "Mm-hmm. if he was on mix with the masters telling the truth of these various like live streams he does jason joshua uses like ozone six or something on the ozone drive you know and i think that he used some of that to inform the god particle", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2208.7010975, "endSec": 2222.2010975, "text": "Okay, or whatever okay. he's doing on his on his uh stereo bus but um like see the top mixing engineers are not using the latest ai will all mix your whole song for you plugin", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2222.4570974999997, "endSec": 2250.6070975, "text": "no they there's think that doesn't work in pro tools anymore yeah exactly you have to like not turn on your internet for your computer for like these plugins to still work um yeah the amount of people that still use the like waves early i mean i still do use a lot of that stuff too but like cla vocals cla guitars all of those like early ones they're they're they're still everywhere and you would think by now it'd be like no it's like no this pros use this pros uses all the time it's really like the gear", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2250.7130975, "endSec": 2259.7130975, "text": "there is only this much of the equation it helps but right like a it's really good mix engineer could just use the stock plugins and be better than most of us yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2259.7130975, "endSec": 2284.3990975, "text": "you yeah i you're making the decisions was just gonna say those plugins are great like i like the other day i was like i have i have a ton of stuff like surely i can just use a different compressor like no this one works This is doing the job like let's just stick with what you know because I do that a lot too I'll search through like lists and lists of plugins and I'm like no this was always the one that was going to do the job yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2284.3990975, "endSec": 2296.9690975, "text": "exactly it's just like i love the ssl bus compressors put that on everything just sounds great i don't know i know the i know the way it works i know how to like get what I want out of it so", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2296.9690975, "endSec": 2308.7190975, "text": "Mm I -hmm. use it all the time it's that same workflow kind of thinking or just like if you this is kind of how AI works too which is kind of interesting you know where it's at you know where you want to go and you have like an intuitive sense of how to get there you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2308.7190975, "endSec": 2316.6890975, "text": "Yeah. can plug in a lot of different tools along that kind of jagged path to the end state that you're able to visualize and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2316.6890975, "endSec": 2322.5390975, "text": "Totally. that's what i feel like i'm getting better and better at with audio and i'm so excited hopefully that continues because", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2322.5390975, "endSec": 2336.9390975, "text": "Yeah. it's so fun to be able to be like i know what to do or like oh that you know like tiny frequency or something about it or the way that things are playing together and like think several steps ahead i hope i can keep adding more steps ahead that i'm able", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2336.9390975, "endSec": 2342.1730975, "text": "to Yeah. think we'll see Yeah. No, it is. It's really cool when you just know because", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2342.1730975, "endSec": 2347.4730975, "text": "Yeah. of your ears, Yeah. not because of your eyes. Great. Exactly. Oh my God. That's such good advice.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2347.6230975, "endSec": 2352.6410975, "text": "Yeah. Sometimes because of AI stuff, but you know, usually Some plugins are pretty.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2352.7410975000003, "endSec": 2362.0910975, "text": "Very true. Yeah. Metering has helped though. Like Pro Yeah. Q3 with the visualizer behind the EQ curve.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2362.1910975, "endSec": 2370.1410975, "text": "Yeah. Have you used ProQ4? I haven't. Is it out? Yeah, it's been out for a bit. Oh man, I'm so out of touch.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2370.1410975, "endSec": 2377.2230975, "text": "I still haven't been. you can get a bit more surgical. I still haven't, I'm just on three,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2377.2730975, "endSec": 2383.3230974999997, "text": "Yeah, like three totally. works. Of course. Sounds good. But yeah, I got to get up to speed on some of the newer stuff.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2383.3230974999997, "endSec": 2399.2790975, "text": "Cool. Yeah, I guess I do too. I didn't even know it was there. Pop my bubble. But I do love when you have a certain EQ thing, like a problem that you're trying to solve or something, there is different levels of like granularity and visualization that you can access by choosing that tool. and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2399.2790975, "endSec": 2406.4290975, "text": "Mm it's -hmm. not always the tool that i want because sometimes it is too visual if that makes sense like i look too much at the peaks totally", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2406.4290975, "endSec": 2425.2290975, "text": "Yeah, totally. Totally. That's where like I'll go, depending on the application, of course, but, you know, doing some more of those broad changes on like a pull tech or something, or something like that, just using your ears rather than that visual, but I love the visual. I just try to.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2425.2290975, "endSec": 2432.7490975, "text": "yeah Try to remind myself, just don't don't look too much. Exactly. Exactly. You have too much out all the time.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2432.9990975, "endSec": 2446.6690975, "text": "Right. But no, I mean, that plays. I think amazing. yeah totally there's a plug-in that i really like called tilt shift by good hurts and it is literally just a brighter or darker like it's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2446.6690975, "endSec": 2458.3330975, "text": "Oh, that's it. just lighter and It's i like a tone knob. love it it's like a tone knob like on a guitar it sounds really good it's very like linear um but that that was like it literally just does this and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2458.3330975, "endSec": 2466.8330975, "text": "I it's love that. great i it's simplified so much for me because like sometimes i don't need to like really think about the frequencies it's just like brighter darker", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2466.8330975, "endSec": 2476.0330974999997, "text": "Yeah, no, exactly that. Or sometimes I find that's beneficial when you're maybe you're working with an artist who doesn't have the you know the vocabulary and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2476.0330974999997, "endSec": 2482.7830974999997, "text": "Mm hmm. they might just be speaking in those very broad term like make it brighter make it darker make it blue you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2482.7830974999997, "endSec": 2489.0830975, "text": "Yeah. know you could use things like that but Yeah, is exactly. this for me or do I have to get more surgical yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2489.0830975, "endSec": 2490.9830975, "text": "Oh, good point. yeah Really good point.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2491.96164625, "endSec": 2497.96164625, "text": "and sometimes it's nice to like because i'm a guitarist and so i've i've always been in the like three knobs make", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2497.96164625, "endSec": 2498.4116462499996, "text": "Yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2498.4116462499996, "endSec": 2518.27164625, "text": "you make your sound i like sometimes starting there of like what is the problem with the sound how does it relate to the other sounds does it need to poke out more does it need to tuck in more and then like do more intensive stuff but like almost almost like how gain gain staging working is like kind of thinking of like eq staging and like the broad strokes to the surgical sometimes sometimes", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2518.27164625, "endSec": 2518.32164625, "text": "right", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2518.32164625, "endSec": 2518.67164625, "text": "opposite", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2518.67164625, "endSec": 2518.97164625, "text": "that's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2518.97164625, "endSec": 2519.97164625, "text": "but like yeah", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2519.97164625, "endSec": 2547.02164625, "text": "a great i mean that's a wonderful approach especially as a mixer or whoever you'd be sending it to for mixing because obviously you want to fix it in the recording rather than in the mix but yeah like i think that's like that's the best approach i think it's easy to sit down and even though you shouldn't know what you're going to do before you listen like we all have our templates and our i know what i'm going to do how i'm going to set up my stereo bus", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2547.9276462499997, "endSec": 2575.32764625, "text": "I just remind myself can actually just sit down and listen just listen to Yeah. the raw stems as is don't pull for any plugins just blank slate like what is sticking out to you because we like you totally could just skip that very crucial step of just listening with no distractions you know I love that's why I still love just doing like a real-time bounce in Pro Tools like like print like a print track because", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2576.05564625, "endSec": 2580.95564625, "text": "You got to be hands off and have to listen and that's when you know like oh that's poking out I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2580.95564625, "endSec": 2581.30564625, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2581.30564625, "endSec": 2589.36164625, "text": "got to go back fix my routing edit because when you're just listening like in the mix it's just you're kind of constantly changing", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2589.36164625, "endSec": 2596.4116462499996, "text": "totally so true such a good point yeah you you'd like need to turn off all the controls and yeah right", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2596.4116462499996, "endSec": 2601.21164625, "text": "yeah yeah or like i can't interrupt the balance you know so i have to", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2601.8116462499997, "endSec": 2608.01164625, "text": "it's good it's really that's really why there is sometimes that paralysis of choice and control that um", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2608.6956462499998, "endSec": 2620.99564625, "text": "I've never mixed on a board, but yeah that seems fun to be able to, I hope I get to at some point because it would be really fun to do the exact opposite of, especially if it was just a board only mix. I would like to do that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2620.99564625, "endSec": 2626.39564625, "text": "yeah same I haven't done that since school because Cool. like didn't need to you're", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2626.39564625, "endSec": 2636.4116462499996, "text": "Right. No, like exactly like, why would you? and you're not you're gonna use two channels on whatever it's to monitor and that was exactly what I was doing for most of my sessions like nobody's", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2636.4116462499996, "endSec": 2649.4116462499996, "text": "right really using the board you're all very totally but yeah yeah having like the theater being very tactile not looking at a screen like only using your ears it's huge yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2649.4116462499996, "endSec": 2661.36164625, "text": "that sounds fun sounds fun i don't know if it would sound better it probably wouldn't but at least it would it would unlock some other part of part of my brain to be able to reference that more um i have been getting more and more into just like writing", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2662.6796462499997, "endSec": 2675.72964625, "text": "writing the volume faders like just yeah for so long i would reach for like another bit of compression or something more dynamic that's just like you know that just needs to be a half db louder yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2675.72964625, "endSec": 2696.97764625, "text": "I was doing that too for a while and now it's just like clicking or automation I don't use any physical like faders or anything but when I'm like really feeling ambitious for the day I'll map one of my faders on my MIDI keyboard just Do that. But yeah, it goes such a long way. I have a friend that has just like the transport with one fader.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2696.97764625, "endSec": 2704.72764625, "text": "yeah yep And that's what she uses to do exactly what you're saying. It's just the volume, right? Volume automation.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2705.0276462499996, "endSec": 2710.82764625, "text": "yeah And she doesn't use that fader for anything else. It's just to feel that feeling of riding the volume.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2711.12764625, "endSec": 2719.12764625, "text": "totally especially some singers like not not all singers need it and not all recordings need it for some people that is super dynamic it's just like", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2720.34364625, "endSec": 2726.6436462499996, "text": "the problem isn't necessarily the tone or the gear the problem is just it's loud here and it's quiet there yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2726.6436462499996, "endSec": 2743.44364625, "text": "yeah are you doing it all with like mouse or do you have i yeah i am but i should totally i i have one of those i just haven't really played with it very much i should do it though this is it's like the perfect use case so you're inspiring me to just like set it up and try it because this is this is what it's made for is this kind of record", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2743.44364625, "endSec": 2748.62764625, "text": "it really it's just like You know, when you turn a knob on a piece of gear,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2748.6776462499997, "endSec": 2748.7776462499996, "text": "Uh", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2748.7776462499996, "endSec": 2749.12764625, "text": "even", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2749.12764625, "endSec": 2749.2776462499996, "text": "-huh.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2749.2776462499996, "endSec": 2752.7776462499996, "text": "I'm dabbling or getting back into dabbling in DJing, you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2752.7776462499996, "endSec": 2752.97764625, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2752.97764625, "endSec": 2757.97764625, "text": "know, like it's a constant, but there's like doing the slightest EQs here and there.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2757.97764625, "endSec": 2758.12764625, "text": "Right,", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2758.12764625, "endSec": 2758.37764625, "text": "And obviously", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2758.37764625, "endSec": 2758.5276462499996, "text": "right.", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 2758.5276462499996, "endSec": 2782.0836462499997, "text": "like, what did you do? What did you even do? But like you're so fine-tuned. you can't you could do that on a knob on a compressor but like we're using a mouse I'm not gonna get as precise of a turn on my knob as much as I would in the real world and who knows what that how that would sound or if it if I would even adjust enough to really", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2782.0836462499997, "endSec": 2786.03364625, "text": "Yeah. hear something but think about like these broad strokes you make with a mouse just", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2786.03364625, "endSec": 2794.95564625, "text": "Right. to hear thing I don't know it's just really interesting it's something I've been thinking about lately like how would I use this differently if I could Like literally touch it.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2795.30564625, "endSec": 2802.90564625, "text": "Yeah, I stopped I stopped using a mouse in 2018 and I went trackpad only Oh wow, nice.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2802.90564625, "endSec": 2811.95564625, "text": "Because I think I get better I love that. I don't know why people think I'm crazy. They're like, where's your mouse? And like if they're collaborating with you, they're like, I have to do this", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2813.27164625, "endSec": 2817.07164625, "text": "Yeah, I mean, I don't think we can never swap yeah seats. we can't our cats love seats", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2818.32164625, "endSec": 2822.3716462499997, "text": "But that's awesome if it works for it you. I think works for me i don't know i just got used to it i", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2822.3716462499997, "endSec": 2827.07164625, "text": "personally. know i do i i do it's so it's probably not good for me that's what i'm doing", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2828.08764625, "endSec": 2832.6376462499998, "text": "But hey, that's cool if it works for yeah you. for now until my wrists fall off but yeah exactly", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2832.6376462499998, "endSec": 2837.58764625, "text": "But by then, we probably won't need any of this stuff. i'll just tell the ai louder ride", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2837.58764625, "endSec": 2847.03764625, "text": "Tell it. ride the volume automation Yeah. Have you explored with anything like the slate headphones or some of these like emulation", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2847.03764625, "endSec": 2852.83764625, "text": "yeah yeah and some things? i've played with some of the uh headphone emulations i i know my can so well that i", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2853.68764625, "endSec": 2859.58764625, "text": "Hmm. It hurts me, Yeah. but I understand that if I started there, it probably would have helped me.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2859.93764625, "endSec": 2868.9856462499997, "text": "Got it. I also, there's like, there's a vocal writing plugin by waves that I use sometimes. It's a little weird.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2869.43564625, "endSec": 2873.43564625, "text": "Gotcha. I am vocal writer, I think Yeah. is that I think you Yeah. might be wave. Yeah.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2873.43564625, "endSec": 2880.78564625, "text": "Yeah. I haven't used it in a long time. But yeah, I started exploring with the BSS headphones as", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2880.78564625, "endSec": 2890.9076462499997, "text": "Okay. I was like traveling a lot Ooh, and yeah. I just can't can't take my monitors everywhere. And somebody that I really respect was like, Nope, not a gimmick. Ashlee like I", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2890.9076462499997, "endSec": 2896.1416462499997, "text": "Yep. trust like these are great and I just had learn and study how to use them Yes.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2896.1416462499997, "endSec": 2906.74164625, "text": "properly but then I did a mix one of my own song I hate mixing I shouldn't say this I hate don't hate it it's just a different side of the brain when you're mixing your own track that you", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2906.74164625, "endSec": 2922.76764625, "text": "So can true. do because Yes. I can't it's easy to slip back into production mode it's like Ashlee we're not making production changes we're mixing I just did it on those uh those headphones and I thought it turned out great and I was like okay like I think I understand now and I understand how to use these days so i do recommend uh", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2922.76764625, "endSec": 2930.2176462499997, "text": "totally totally if you know if you get used to them yeah agreed and i i think for most people they'd be good i'm just i'm weird", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2930.2176462499997, "endSec": 2934.61764625, "text": "when i don't know you know what when you know your headphones or you know your speakers so well i'm like yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2934.61764625, "endSec": 2941.7176462499997, "text": "yeah just stick with i've it oh listened to so many songs on the same i just keep replacing the uh the ear caps on", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2941.7176462499997, "endSec": 2948.59364625, "text": "caps yeah what kind do you have uh they're austrian audio i think they're the x six five let me double check can't", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2948.59364625, "endSec": 2976.0436462499997, "text": "Nice. see anything's too dark yeah x x65 austrian audio they're good um they're not i mean they're sort of expensive but they're not like super high-end like 300 ish and i i don't think they're open back but there's there's conflicting uh conflicting marketing copy i bought them thinking they were open back because i was using the sennheiser open back uh headphones before and those are really good um and then i just i got too far gone i know these i i've mixed uh", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2976.47164625, "endSec": 2984.42164625, "text": "i was in a weird situation i had to mix for a movie theater and i did it in these and i went to the movies and it sounded good so i'm like all right cleared", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2984.42164625, "endSec": 2998.51764625, "text": "That's awesome. that bar is scary That's scary. Are you doing atmosphere stuff? yeah i did atmosphere too um i don't do that very often anymore i'm sure that there's a lot of demand out there just isn't coming to me", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 2998.51764625, "endSec": 3010.3176462499996, "text": "Personally haven't had that. yeah there was a lot of hype um yeah and i'm sure the post-production world like that's probably still huge but like for music yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3010.3176462499996, "endSec": 3019.6076462499996, "text": "I feel like until most consumers have that type of setup where they can live in that fashion, it's not gonna. maybe take off to", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3019.6076462499996, "endSec": 3030.3576462499996, "text": "there's them or a weird part of it too that i don't know if it's like conducive to modern music it feels almost more conducive to old school because like it's like you're thinking of instruments as objects versus", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3030.3576462499996, "endSec": 3035.00764625, "text": "where they're like placed yeah i don't really think like that when i'm mixing modern music right", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3035.00764625, "endSec": 3048.5056462499997, "text": "or like um maybe more like more live performances but right totally yeah that's a it's a good point like a lot of people aren't mixing based on where things would be on a stage anymore.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3048.5056462499997, "endSec": 3054.20564625, "text": "yeah yeah Yeah. so i think that like i spatial effects there's some really cool stuff and", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3054.20564625, "endSec": 3069.85564625, "text": "Yeah. i think part of the thing that i didn't like about it and they've had it more so i haven't explored it but spatial reverbs was what i thought could be like really cool is if you basically did a stereo mix but there was binaural reverberation and delays around you um", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3069.85564625, "endSec": 3083.2556462499997, "text": "That's cool. but all the ones that i found were like six thousand dollars or something just absolutely obscene like i'm not gonna spend six thousand dollars for something that like two clients in the next five years will ask for yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3083.2556462499997, "endSec": 3097.35564625, "text": "yeah totally but i think for a while a few artists were really interested in it too because if you had a at this recording you got your the payout is more or something like that yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3098.03964625, "endSec": 3102.23964625, "text": "and it got like better algorithm or something on apple music for Yeah, something like that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3102.23964625, "endSec": 3106.6396462499997, "text": "a while i don't know if i don't know if spotify ever really did it either um Yeah, I don't know.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3106.6396462499997, "endSec": 3113.3896462499997, "text": "it's interesting these little trends and stuff maybe it'll come back roaring like maybe it's just that garnet hype cycle and it's going to come back and yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3113.3896462499997, "endSec": 3119.6396462499997, "text": "Maybe. right I mean, vinyl had a resurgence, right? Maybe then again we'll just back to that.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3119.6396462499997, "endSec": 3127.5236462499997, "text": "we I don't only have know. two ears so i don't know Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. And then I say, oh, am I just like a boomer", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3127.5236462499997, "endSec": 3136.0816462499997, "text": "Yeah. now? But like, they're just like a stereo mix is fine. yeah yeah mono is even sometimes pretty cool too yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3136.0816462499997, "endSec": 3142.93164625, "text": "That was great. Yeah. yes I was gonna say like, I do very much appreciate like the film and cinema of it all,", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3142.93164625, "endSec": 3156.47964625, "text": "oh but different yeah yeah application though. i didn't listen to pet sounds mono until way too late in my life and i regret that because it's just like a very different experience i think stereo versus mono for that record in particular i think", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3156.47964625, "endSec": 3166.87964625, "text": "Mm it gets like a lot cheesier when you kind of like spread it out when it's all together it's like i get it this is the like one of the best records of all time when you spread it out i don't know there's this weird kind of schmaltz", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3167.9276462499997, "endSec": 3168.72764625, "text": "doesn't it doesn't work yeah", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3168.72764625, "endSec": 3184.9276462499997, "text": "change this it doesn't work it just doesn't hit emotionally in the same way mono versus stereo and there's some records that i feel that way same thing like with beetle a bunch of the beetle stuff i would wear the like one earbud and be talking to my friends like cool and junior high or high school and then it would just be drums crazy", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3184.9276462499997, "endSec": 3196.57764625, "text": "yeah yeah yeah it's wild like um i don't remember similar story but like just learning panning and how where things were placed and like prince would always", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3196.63164625, "endSec": 3212.5816462499997, "text": "oh it's like pan a lead vocal to the left I'm like why is it over here I want it over here and then learning how to do that I got to duplicate the track and flip things around I'm like now I have Prince's vocal where I want it he's probably rolling in his grave back", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3213.0816462499997, "endSec": 3219.2816462499995, "text": "hey you're remixing like you're adding the orchestra orchestrating it's like hey yeah can you put this vocal in the middle", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3219.7816462499995, "endSec": 3233.2996462499996, "text": "and the vocal back to the middle please but yeah I think it's just like when something is created a certain way you get used to it or the way that it was supposed to sound in context like yeah when it's good it's good sometimes that means motto", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3234.4496462499997, "endSec": 3235.5496462499996, "text": "Sometimes that means motto.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3236.39964625, "endSec": 3246.4496462499997, "text": "So the show is called Love Music More. The segment is called Love Music Why. I like to ask my guests a very simple question, but a very hard one. Why do you love music?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3249.30364625, "endSec": 3259.8536462499997, "text": "I love music because I think it's going to be through lines from all of my greatest memories in life.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3261.70364625, "endSec": 3273.7536462499997, "text": "It's gotten me through some of my darkest times, some of the happiest times. Yeah, I literally can't think of an earlier earliest memory without music. It's just, it's everything.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3274.15364625, "endSec": 3274.8536462499997, "text": "Great answer.", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3275.9916462499996, "endSec": 3281.1416462499997, "text": "So where can people get in touch? What would you recommend they go listen to to hear some of your work?", "speaker": "Luke F. Walton" }, { "startSec": 3281.68764625, "endSec": 3305.93764625, "text": "You can get in touch with me with a folks using these days Instagram that is a great place I'm sounds by ash on Instagram and any where else you might find me all my links are on my Instagram and you can listen to me on Spotify or Apple or title wherever you listen to your music pretty sure my latest release is called push up", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3306.6796462499997, "endSec": 3311.0796462499998, "text": "Check out that track and I have a new song called obvious coming out in a few weeks", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" }, { "startSec": 3312.3296462499998, "endSec": 3317.8296462499998, "text": "Well, thank you so much. Really enjoyed chatting, Ashlee. This is really fun. Likewise. Thank you so much for having me", "speaker": "Ashlee Chanelle" } ], "correctionsApplied": [] }