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      "text": "What's good, everybody? Scoobert Doobert here. I am joined with Aaron Comess. What's up, my friend?",
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      "text": "Uber, how are you, man?",
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      "text": "I'm doing great. I'm doing great. We're going to be talking about your incredibly diverse and enviable career. From the Spin Doctors to sideman solo work and everything in between, I am so excited to hear about kind of your career arc, what you've done with not just drums, but just musicality in general, your time on the road, your time with the Spin Doctors, your reunion with the Spin Doctors, making new music.",
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      "text": "I'm just so excited and so thrilled to have you on the show. So welcome.",
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      "text": "Okay, thanks so much for asking",
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      "text": "Yeah, so I just want to start off back at music. at music school so you you moved to new york city you attend the new school what was kind of your the driving factor behind being like you know what i really want to do this i want to take that next step and go you know study music at a high level",
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      "text": "Well, I've always been, I've basically studied my entire, since the day I started playing, I took drum lessons. Like my first day as a drummer was walking into a drum maze in Dallas and meeting my teacher at the age of nine years old named Jack Iden, who showed me how to hold the sticks, you know, traditional grip, which is why I play like that.",
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      "text": "So it goes way back, you know, even though I'm, even though I'm. i i'm an educated you know drummer i've always you know seen early on the importance of you know feeling and musicality and not being i didn't want to ever sound school you know",
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      "text": "a degree so but then you know we could talk a lot about that whole period but since you asked about new new york and what kind of led me there basically it was a couple things for one i knew that i wanted to end up either in new york or la",
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      "text": "you know once I got to around a certain age because it just seemed obvious that like you know for me to kind of reach the career goals that I had since a young age I was going to need to be in probably one of those two cities especially at that time it was sort of New York and LA and And I was lucky to have teachers, you know, like when I was in high school that sort of got that in my head too.",
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      "text": "As a musician and somebody that just wants to try to reach as high a level as possible and continue that, I wanted to be in a city that was just loaded up with the very best musicians in the world. And, you know, both New York and L.A. have that. Particularly, I found myself drawn to New York because I really love jazz and, you know, all the great jazz musicians pretty much were living in New York.",
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      "text": "And especially that time when I moved there in 88, you know, many of them were still alive. five there's a lot of them are but a lot of them have passed since then so i kind of wanted to be in that environment i wanted to be able to like go out every night and hear all my like heroes play And what led me to the new school was my old friend, Roy Hargrove, the incredible trumpet player",
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      "text": "who sadly passed away. We went to high school together in Dallas at the Arts Magnet. We were good friends. And I did one year at Berkeley after I graduated and then I went back to Dallas for a year and just gigged, did every gig under the sun before moving to New York. And I played with Roy a lot that year and he knew I wanted to move to New York and he had every intention of moving up there.",
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      "text": "there he's a couple years younger than me so we were driving in my car we were doing a gig up in Denton",
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      "text": "know, so Roy was the guy that said, you know, check out this school. So I was taking a year off school, my parents really were very much into me being in college, you gotta have, on the whole, you gotta have something. have something to fall back on thing",
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      "text": "truthfully it gave me they my parents were very supportive of me um and they really wanted me to go to college and were willing to to fund that for me so I kind of saw it as my ticket to New York City you know it was gonna it was gonna be a couple things I was gonna continue my studies I was gonna get to sort of be around these legendary guys at the school you",
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      "text": "know i'm yep done with your money and and they were great they were cool you know and um and you know what's what's funny and you probably realize this from talking to a lot of musicians is that",
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      "text": "like that and I think that there are some some really key little nuggets that I have heard from other musicians as well where school is a is a great way to get integrated into a new city meet a network cut your teeth get lessons with Bernard Purdy like come on ridiculous",
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      "text": "know also wanted like the most positive it seems like you can tell me if this is the case but at least externally i've watched his you know instructional dvds and things like that um he seems just like a positive little ray of sunshine is that what it actually was like studying",
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      "text": "i still love to do to this day but with purdy we didn't have one book basically i brought in my little i wish i had i brought in my little tape recorder and you know and let's he basically just sat there and almost was pretty much like listening to him preach for an hour you know he'd talk and i would sometimes i'd walk out of there and i'd be like i don't even know what the hell he's talking about what just happened we didn't even play the drums",
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      "text": "about you know song playing and feel and sound and i spent hours going back and listening to those tapes that we made and um so i got a lot out of it and but at a time i was kind of confused he was talking a lot about like attitude and",
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      "text": "What's good guys? Scoobert Doobert here for the Love Music More podcast and I want to let you in on a little secret. One of my favorite new things, Minuendo Lossless Earplugs. So these are really, really, really cool. I've got two of them here.",
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      "text": "can't not everybody's gonna get a gig like uh aaron copeland with the police or something like that where they're gonna be like okay you were gonna move around a little bit but we're gonna play around you and doing like not",
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      "text": "I love it. Hey everybody, Scoobert Doobert here. I'm excited to announce my new record, I, as in the letter I, it is available on all streaming platforms now, as well as on Bandcamp with high-res .wav files. So usually you hear the compressed MP3s or things through the streaming services, these .wav files, they sound the best. They absolutely do. It is science.",
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      "text": "I'm actually going to be posting a blog article about why waves sound better than MP3s, and that leads me to my next topic.",
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      "text": "topic i started a blog and we are pressing vinyl so whoever is subscribed to the blog is going to get first dibs on the limited edition vinyls we're talking like some super super limited edition i think they're only doing like 10 or 15 of the you know top shelf stuff and then there will be other really cool colorways as well but the whole vinyl run is not that big because i'm not that big you know hopefully someday we'll be able to press more but until then you gotta you gotta jump on it now so join the blog join that mailing list it's all",
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      "text": "Be kind of cool to see like what it actually looks like throughout history, right? And that's what the blog's here for. It'll hit your emails just like every day. Every Tuesday morning is kind of what we're looking at, and it'll just be a nice extra little way to love music more, expand the understanding from the podcast, and also hook you up with some exclusive perks like first dibs on vinyl records.",
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      "text": "So anyway, check out the new music, hopefully subscribe to that Substack. You'll find the link in my show notes, or you could go to lovemusicmore.substack.com to sign up today. We'll send you some emails. So enjoy the music and enjoy the rest of the episode. And I also like the meditation part of practice. I think that a lot of people, like you're saying, like would tense up when they're practicing.",
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      "text": "when people come out and enjoy what you're doing i mean that's sort of the ultimate reward you know i mean let's face it we started doing this for ourselves and but ultimately you're not here to to create something for people to listen to and enjoy that's what music is you know so it's like it's always this balance ultimately i believe you have to do it for yourself i think if you're thinking about your audience or trying to please people that's a big mistake",
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      "text": "Great answer. Love that. Where can people get in touch with you or hire you or what would be a great way if somebody had another question or wants to book",
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      "text": "you for a private lesson",
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      "text": "which is aaroncomess.com. There's contact. I'm not great with keeping it up to date, but there's information there. Instagram, Facebook are great places to reach me. And I always try to get back to people when they message me. and you know right back and I'd love to hear from people and any questions or whatever feel free to write in and I'll try to get back to you",
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      "text": "Well, thank you so much for your time on this show. I really enjoyed this episode, this conversation.",
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      "text": "it's Cooper thanks for having me man this was a lot of fun all",
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